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Apoplexy posted:Using prophecies on the show wouldn't work as well, since the reason they're so great in the books is that the prophecies only come true (or are foiled) is because of human actions made with the knowledge of them. The Ghost of High Heart and Patchface predicted all kinds of things (Balon's death, zombie cat, the red wedding) that came true without the relevant actors knowing anything about her prophesies. And while they may not technically be prophesies, the same is true of dreams by Bran (Jon getting jacked, his mom going to KL) and Jogen (Greyjoys taking Winterfell) and Dany's vision on the House of the Undying (the red wedding again). The ability to predict the future (but only in the form of vague omens) is a real thing in ASOIAF. I actually like them in the books since they're fun little puzzles. If they were portrayed visually on the show, however, most would give too much away.
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I too like the prophecies in the books. They are elements that often remind me of fairy tales, especially in how often they use the number three (Dany's three betrayals, Melisandre's three dead kings, Cersei's three dead children etc.) I like that about the books in general, there are several instances where characters do something and it only works after the third time like it were written by Hans Christian Anderson.
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The only thing I don't like about prophecies is that they change your mindset from "Oh poo poo, what's gonna happen next?" to "How are things going to fall into place so that X and Y happen?". Both can be interesting but overuse of the latter can get annoying. Once all the books are out we will probably see that many of the prophecies never materialize or play out in a completely different way than expected. I just wouldn't find it very interesting if everything plays out exactly as foretold. Like if Tommen and Myrcella both get crowned and then die and then Cersei is strangled by Jaime's golden hand as he says "The things I do for love" or something stupid like that. It's like poetry, it rhymes!  ---- Also, in this interview, is Sam's actor implying he'll run into Davos in season 5? bowser fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 29, 2014 |
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Jul 29, 2014 18:18
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bowser posted:The only thing I don't like about prophecies is that it changes your mindset from "Oh poo poo, what's gonna happen next?" to "How are things going to fall into place so that X and Y happen?". Both can be interesting but overuse of the latter can get annoying. It's not so much that it wouldn't be interesting because it plays out as expected but that it could also be a fantastic unstoppable trainwreck.
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Jul 29, 2014 18:26
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bowser posted:Also, in this interview, is Sam's actor implying he'll run into Davos in season 5? Well, yeah probably. Sam and Davos are both currently at Castle Black and it aint that big.
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Jul 29, 2014 18:47
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I think the Star Wars prequels pretty much killed prophecies for me as a narrative tool. It's pretty much impossible not to brush them off as an artificial, forced way to create drama. They have to be really loving well done to be a blip on my fiction radar. I much prefer the idea of a prophecy that characters assume will come true and try to bend the universe to make it happen or avoid it, only for it to have been bullshit all along. You don't see that much, and I kind of hope Azor Ahai goes that way.
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Jul 29, 2014 18:48
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Brock Samson posted:Well, yeah probably. Sam and Davos are both currently at Castle Black and it aint that big.  . For some reason I forgot Davos wasn't sent to White Harbor in the show. I was thinking they'd meet while Sam was en route to Oldtown or something.
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Jul 29, 2014 18:55
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By the way, Walk of Shame confirmed for next season. 
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bowser posted:I just wouldn't find it very interesting if everything plays out exactly as foretold. Like if Tommen and Myrcella both get crowned and then die and then Cersei is strangled by Jaime's golden hand as he says "The things I do for love" or something stupid like that. I don't know, I'm really looking forward to Jaime killing Cersei. If it doesn't happen, I'll be pretty disappointed.
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Mnemosyne posted:I don't know, I'm really looking forward to Jaime killing Cersei. If it doesn't happen, I'll be pretty disappointed. I'd rather someone like Lancel or a Kettleblack kill her. One of her many minor victims who just gets sick of her poo poo and ends her.
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Let it be Robert Strong. Cersei misheard, the actual word was Valonqor which means big-rear end brother.
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Steve2911 posted:I'd rather someone like Lancel or a Kettleblack kill her. One of her many minor victims who just gets sick of her poo poo and ends her. Or Moon Boy for all we know!
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I always disliked the Cersei prophecy, because it seemed to detract from the more emotionally convincing (to me, at least) idea that her hatred for Tyrion stems from the death of her mother, with the additional possibility that despite being a hideous dwarf as a man he is still closer to the inheritance of Casterly Rock than she is. Also the idea that an eleven or twelve year old girl would murder her friend without hesitating is ridiculous and makes her into a cartoon.
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Ballz posted:By the way, Walk of Shame confirmed for next season. Yay Lena boobs
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Brock Samson posted:Well, yeah probably. Sam and Davos are both currently at Castle Black and it aint that big. Ballz posted:By the way, Walk of Shame confirmed for next season.
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Scapegoat posted:Yay Lena boobs What, did you miss 300? She had a bum-double for season 1. They'll probably get some other woman to do the walk naked and then for close-ups have lena looking embarrassed while wearing a low cut shoulderless dress.
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That, and I fully expect the Walk of Shame to be another prime example of this series giving the audience what it wants, just not quite the way it wants it.
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Grendels Dad posted:That, and I fully expect the Walk of Shame to be another prime example of this series giving the audience what it wants, just not quite the way it wants it. You're talking about her bush, right?
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They might even do her trial. GRRM put it in the contract that there has to be at least one trial by combat in each season. Who in the could even beat Robert Strong at this point though? Unless they are working up to the priest of the Quiet Island happens to be best friends with the High Sparrow and Sandor becomes champion of the faith as part of his retribution. Which would be poetic and totally how it would end in a normal story. But honestly other than Sandor who could really pull it off that even has a vested interest in doing so? I guess Garlan could go for it, but he isn't really a well known duelist. Or they could always do a trial of the 7 and force Cersei to use the rest of her terrible Kingsguard.
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Nobody could. Apart from being a zombie, Robert also wears a tank for armor. Cersei talks to Qyburn about how he better not be screwing with her about that armor he ordered because it's so heavy no man could wear it. The Faith's champion is hosed.
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Grendels Dad posted:The Faith's champion is hosed. You're assuming the Faith doesn't have some kind of magic or crannogman fuckery of its own.
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Didn't GRRM say that we were going to see Casterly Rock in the next book? Surely the obvious candidate for getting exiled there from King's Landing would be Cersei? Either that or she flees when Aegon conquers the city and marries Arianne
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Irish Joe posted:You're assuming the Faith doesn't have some kind of magic or crannogman fuckery of its own. Ser Robert Snow
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Irish Joe posted:You're assuming the Faith doesn't have some kind of magic or crannogman fuckery of its own. The High Sparrow throws a net over Ser Robert Strong, then wargs into him.
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GodFish posted:The High Sparrow throws a net over Ser Robert Strong, then wargs into him. Then dies, because Robert Strong is a zombie and warging with zombies kills you. And poo poo, now I want to see Robert Strong fight a resurrected Robb Wind.
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Faith hires first sword of Bravoos
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Babygravy posted:Faith hires Faceless Men and the First sword of Bravoos, Syrio Forel, shows up.
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Ballz posted:By the way, Walk of Shame confirmed for next season. I can feel the bloggers warming up their keyboards already.
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COOKIEMONSTER posted:They might even do her trial. GRRM put it in the contract that there has to be at least one trial by combat in each season. Garlan is a pretty scary-good fighter based on his performance on the Blackwater (and I think the Faith could call upon any anointed knight rather than needing to use one of the Warrior's Sons or Holy Hundred). But it doesn't matter because he's way over on the western coast of the Reach preparing to get killed by Euron. All of the known top fighters are indisposed, really. Jaime is crippled. Oberyn is dead. Sandor is missing. Balon Swann is in Dorne. Both martially-inclined Tyrell brothers are elsewhere, with Loras allegedly dying. The rest of the Kingsguard are terrible (and Renly's Rainbow Guard are mostly dead) Bronn ain't gonna do nothin' Lothar Brune is hanging out with Littlefinger. Brienne is way up in the riverlands. The Blackfish is missing and ain't gonna just turn up in King's Landing anyhow they can probably get someone better than ~Lancel~, of all people, but it won't matter because it is not gonna be anyone who would've stood a chance against even a live Gregor. also where does the Howland Reed = The High Septon theory even come from PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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PupsOfWar posted:also where does the Howland Reed = The High Septon theory even come from Autism, too much spare time, and not enough new material
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I came a little. Plus what does he say to death? Not today.
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hellbastard posted:What, did you miss 300? I saw 300, that's why I'd like to see them again.
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webmeister posted:Didn't GRRM say that we were going to see Casterly Rock in the next book? Surely the obvious candidate for getting exiled there from King's Landing would be Cersei? I think it means there will be 5 new characters introduced in lots of long Casterly Rock chapters, they are the very distant Lannister cousins which nobody in the family likes, and they will have a long subplot which doesn't relate to the rest of the story and doesn't amount to much in the end
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I re-read the House of the Undying part the other night with a closer eye at the things that Dany sees in the rooms. I didn't get the first time that the beautiful nude woman with the four little ratlike men on her was Westeros and the 4 kings that are alive at that point - Balon, Joffrey, Robb, and Stannis. The scene describes that one of the little men is pumping away between her legs, and one of them is biting and chewing on her nipples. If they represent the kings, which one is loving Westeros and which one is eating her?
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hellbastard posted:She had a bum-double for season 1. They'll probably get some other woman to do the walk naked and then for close-ups have lena looking embarrassed while wearing a low cut shoulderless dress. There was that interview last year where she basically said she's up for it, didn't she? If nothing else it's a pretty great acting opportunity, and if done right it'd be an incredible scene. Anyway I thought the whole point of the walk of shame was to strip her of her silks and hair and show the world that she was just an aging, saggy lady under all that like everyone else. Enjoy your tearful wank, lads.
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Only goons would be excited about a potential wanking opportunity 10 months in advance
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Scapegoat posted:I saw 300, that's why I'd like to see them again. Buy the DVD then, you get to see them as often as you want and ten years younger to boot. You would also earn much kudos for being the only person to buy 300 so they could wank over Lena Headey instead of Gerard Butler.
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ClearAirTurbulence posted:I re-read the House of the Undying part the other night with a closer eye at the things that Dany sees in the rooms. I didn't get the first time that the beautiful nude woman with the four little ratlike men on her was Westeros and the 4 kings that are alive at that point - Balon, Joffrey, Robb, and Stannis. The scene describes that one of the little men is pumping away between her legs, and one of them is biting and chewing on her nipples. If they represent the kings, which one is loving Westeros and which one is eating her? I assumed Joffrey was loving the south and Robb was working the north.
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Stroking the shaft and cupping the balls.
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webmeister posted:Only goons would be excited about a potential wanking opportunity 10 months in advance It's even better considering how disgustingly horrifying the scene is supposed to be
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