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clandestine cactus
Feb 5, 2009

Hot Rope Guy

Charles Martel posted:

This is why I asked about a 8.1 update for the Lumia Icon before because it's a bit confusing. The Lumia Icon is a WP8 device and 8.1 is supposed to be released in "Summer 2014", which we're two-thirds of the way through already while Nokia is "testing" Cyan which may or may not be the major WP8 - 8.1 update.

And the first thing I'm downloading when I finally get 8.1 is Awful Music. :)

Nokia isn't testing it, your carrier is.

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Jonah Hex
May 22, 2014
Got a new toy at work today.



Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


http://blogs.windows.com/windows_ph...w-features.aspx

Tl;Dr: 8.1 update 1 will be rolling out on the dev preview to include proper app folders, more enterprise stuff, and I guess an improved Xbox music, and Cortana is going to be beta in China (Mandarin only, nicknamed Xiao Na) and the UK, and alpha in Canada, India, and Australia

Venusy
Feb 21, 2007
Glad this is going to be rolling out on the dev preview soon. Though it will probably be while I'm out of the country, but that's a minor annoyance.

Question: I don't think Nokia Cyan is released for my phone yet (UK Lumia 820, unlocked). When it comes out, do I need to get off the dev preview to install Cyan, then back on the dev preview to install 8.1 Update 1 when that comes out? Or will Cyan just install while on the dev preview?

Venusy fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jul 30, 2014

CubanMissile
Apr 22, 2003

Of Hulks and Spider-Men
I think you have to roll back to official 8.0 to get Cyan unless MS comes out with a fix.for the Bitlocker thing.

FTJ
Mar 1, 2003

BTB's Monty Python pro-star!
I have an issue with playing music which is pretty annoying.
No matter which app I use for playing it will stop after 30-45 minutes.
The only way of preventing this is by not locking the screen.
Anyone else have this problem?

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

Somewhere along the way, one of the dev preview 8.1 updates fixed the WiFi WPA2 crashing issue! Already beating android.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

http://blogs.windows.com/windows_ph...w-features.aspx

Tl;Dr: 8.1 update 1 will be rolling out on the dev preview to include proper app folders, more enterprise stuff, and I guess an improved Xbox music, and Cortana is going to be beta in China (Mandarin only, nicknamed Xiao Na) and the UK, and alpha in Canada, India, and Australia

I don't need Cortana in Japanese, but getting voice search back would be nice, considering that button still does nothing at all at the moment. Maybe this will fix it... probably not, but you never know :argh:

EDIT: Better performance of the Xbox music app is nice too I guess, but I'm hoping things like the new live tile support and "better performance in areas like app load and list scrolling" mean new and better APIs for all of us, rather than special poo poo just for Xbox music.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jul 30, 2014

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Jonah Hex posted:

Got a new toy at work today.





I don't get it.

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

I don't either, but I'm guessing it's some kind of beta device or an Android with WP8.1 on it? It has on-screen buttons at the bottom and also a down arrow thing at the left.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

LifeSizePotato posted:

I don't either, but I'm guessing it's some kind of beta device or an Android with WP8.1 on it? It has on-screen buttons at the bottom and also a down arrow thing at the left.

Upon further examination I see "Qualcomm Snapdragon" at the top and the keys are on screen, not capacitive or physical.

Please clarify!

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!
This might be a silly question?

But what do you get in Nokia Cyan which isn't in Windows Phone 8.1?

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Kidney Stone posted:

This might be a silly question?

But what do you get in Nokia Cyan which isn't in Windows Phone 8.1?
Here's a full list:
http://www.wpcentral.com/lumia-cyan-and-what-it-brings-windows-phone-81

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

Will developer preview 8.1 users get the Cyan update eventually, or do you have to roll back to 8.0?

Edward IV
Jan 15, 2006

Does updating to Cyan still require you to downgrade from the 8.1 preview to 8.0? Will you be able to receive Cyan if you update to the 8.1 Update 1 preview or will you have to downgrade first? How well does the backup and recovery system work in restoring apps and app and system settings?

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!

Thanks!

Doesn't really look like Cyan is bringing anything new which is usable for my Lumia 1020.

cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

__________________

Kidney Stone posted:

Doesn't really look like Cyan is bringing anything new which is usable for my Lumia 1020.


Cyan comes alongside 8.1, and it's going to be fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9hxJosnEDY

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!

soapgish posted:

Cyan comes alongside 8.1, and it's going to be fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9hxJosnEDY

Yeah, Cortana would be great - if I were in a country where it's supported.

I'm already running Windows Phone 8.1 Developer Preview.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.
I don't plan on rolling back to 8.0 to get Cyan because it's not even out yet for the 1020. And when it is it's not really game-changing things that'd make it worth me redoing my phone and then going without 8.1 till whenever it gets released. Just about the only Cyan feature I might like now is the Bluetooth LE being enabled so that I can sync with the new fitbit app, but I can wait on that. I'm just going to keep riding the DP until the bitlocker fix and we proceed forward.

To further clarify earlier questions, Cyan is the firmware/hardware update portion from Nokia and technically doesn't have anything to do with 8.1. They just usually release a big firmware update (amber, black, etc) at the same time and have some features that go hand in hand with the OS update. The Bluetooth LE is an example, they had to update the firmware to "unlock it" but the OS has to also be able to utilize it.

OldPueblo fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jul 30, 2014

Jonah Hex
May 22, 2014

LifeSizePotato posted:

I don't either, but I'm guessing it's some kind of beta device or an Android with WP8.1 on it? It has on-screen buttons at the bottom and also a down arrow thing at the left.

It is a developer phone with our next Snapdragon chip in it. Cannot say too much about it at this point.

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Jonah Hex posted:

It is a developer phone with our next Snapdragon chip in it. Cannot say too much about it at this point.

Can you just let us know if the CPU starts with an 8 and ends in a 5?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
I got (at least) 15 downloads for Awful Music so far. For those who downloaded it but have not posted yet, let me know what you think! The more feedback you give me, the more I'll know where to focus my attention to.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Drastic Actions posted:

I got (at least) 15 downloads for Awful Music so far. For those who downloaded it but have not posted yet, let me know what you think! The more feedback you give me, the more I'll know where to focus my attention to.
I've downloaded but have only briefly mucked with it. I have noticed that it's impossible to Back Arrow out of the program--it keeps refreshing the main menu & the last chosen category on my Lumia 928.


VVVV
Well then! :wipes hands dramatically and satisfactorily:

redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 30, 2014

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

redbackground posted:

I've downloaded but have only briefly mucked with it. I have noticed that it's impossible to Back Arrow out of the program--it keeps refreshing the main menu & the last chosen category on my Lumia 928.

Already know, on my todo list.

EDIT: And I think I fixed it. I'll be in the next build, hopefully later tonight. Reason why it was happening was I override the back button so I can handle navigation, but the Windows Phone navigation helper that comes with a default Windows app template also attaches to that function, so I had to get rid of it. Now if you're on the main menu, it will back out as normal.

EDIT 2: Another thing I need to fix is selecting a track from the current tracklist after killing the app. It does not fill the background task with the tracklist, so it does not play anything. If you play the last playing song first using the play button on the mini player, THEN select a track, it should work. I'm working on it.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 30, 2014

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Eh, if they keep pumping out a GDR 2 and 3 with more features at this pace (8.1 -> GDR1) 'til end of the year, I might be swayed to get a WP device after all. That and releasing goddamn Office Gemini on WP would give it a lot of sway.

Snaxxor
Jan 18, 2005

cool giraffe with
cool sunglasses
WP 8.1 Came out today for my ATT Nokia 1520! (HUEG PHOEN)

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Drastic Actions posted:

EDIT: Better performance of the Xbox music app is nice too I guess, but I'm hoping things like the new live tile support and "better performance in areas like app load and list scrolling" mean new and better APIs for all of us, rather than special poo poo just for Xbox music.
That would be my expecation - requiring an OS update to get a significant (?) performance update with Xbox Music would seem to indicate they're fixing up the API's/more low-level stuff which seems to be the blocker in Xbox music and other apps.

We'll see. I can barely notice a difference between the app now and the first release with the DP, despite "Performance Enhancements" being listed as a major point for the past 4-5 releases.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

We'll see. I can barely notice a difference between the app now and the first release with the DP, despite "Performance Enhancements" being listed as a major point for the past 4-5 releases.

I have not seen it in the list view, where it takes a five seconds or more for something to actually appear when scrolling. I'm still dumbfounded that they shipped it like that. It's baffling. But they did make changes in terms of how they handle the background audio interacting with the app itself. It's less confused when you close and reopen the app and remembers its state better.

---

More Awful Music news: Pushed another update last night. Made more UI changes. When you're playing a song and land on the main menu, it will show the artist picture (if there is one) on the background before showing the background album art. That album art on the main screen is also technically changeable as well, it's tied to "favorite" albums and tracks, which are implemented but I need to finish the UI for showing them. I've also hidden the status bar, so now things like the album and artists views are totally edge to edge.

I also fixed some more bugs with the page navigation, where you could get into states of seeing "black" screens (meaning I lost what page you were on). And selecting tracks to play from the current tracklist screen after launching the app should also be working correctly.

I think I'm getting to a point where I can actually publish the app fully as an open beta. I want to add a few more things like shuffle and hopefully playlists before then but we'll see how far I get before I say "gently caress it".

EDIT: Oh yeah, gotta fix indexing when deleting files :v:.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jul 31, 2014

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
Bye bye o'faithful 920, My new Lumia 930 Green will be here in the morning.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
I'm disappointed that my carrier isn't going to be selling the 930 in green. It will go on sale in store on Tuesday, but they'll only have Orange/White?black.

I know I don't want black, but choosing between white and orange is going to be tough.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Jonah Hex posted:

It is a developer phone with our next Snapdragon chip in it. Cannot say too much about it at this point.
Looks like a standard QRD device. Glad to see the work we did to support those is being put to use.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.
Is it stupid to check for updates on my 920 every hour? I am tired of waiting.

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


Cyan is rolling out on AT&T 520s at least. I hope when Cortana is ported to more languages, we get to choose languages regardless of region (I don't care if they're alpha); a Cantonese or Vietnamese Cortana would be really cool for my parents and I'd like to muddle through with my terrible Arabic.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
I think I'm giving up on WP for now. My Lumia 520 is perfectly fine as a phone, and I'll go so far as to say it's been a great device overall despite being a low end phone, but I'm really tired of being a second class citizen when it comes to apps. It's got a lot of potential though, so I really hope the ecosystem pulls through. I feel bad giving up on it because it's never going to get better if people don't stick with it, but I finally came across some work things I just needed apps for and I couldn't justify sticking with this anymore.

Going to hang onto the 520 since I've been writing an app myself. God I love Metro UI :3:

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

Cyan is rolling out on AT&T 520s at least. I hope when Cortana is ported to more languages, we get to choose languages regardless of region (I don't care if they're alpha); a Cantonese or Vietnamese Cortana would be really cool for my parents and I'd like to muddle through with my terrible Arabic.

Well, time to fire up the 520 with the cracked screen!

iLikeMidgets
Jan 3, 2005
insert witty title here

Martytoof posted:

I think I'm giving up on WP for now. My Lumia 520 is perfectly fine as a phone, and I'll go so far as to say it's been a great device overall despite being a low end phone, but I'm really tired of being a second class citizen when it comes to apps. It's got a lot of potential though, so I really hope the ecosystem pulls through. I feel bad giving up on it because it's never going to get better if people don't stick with it, but I finally came across some work things I just needed apps for and I couldn't justify sticking with this anymore.

Going to hang onto the 520 since I've been writing an app myself. God I love Metro UI :3:

I feel pretty much the same with my 520. For the price that I paid for it, I'm happy and have gotten my money's worth but the lack of quality apps is a disappointment.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
Well I got my 930 green today and it looks absolutely stunning, and the improvements of the screen are immediately noticeable. O2 sent me my micro SIM and when I went to install I found that ITS A loving NANO SIM THATS NEEDED YOU STUPIDS TWATS!!!

Oh well, at least I can play with it until I get my nano.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist
http://www.wpcentral.com/bing-vision-lost-all-features-qr-scanning
Seriously, Microsoft needs to stop removing features with updates. I'm still smarting over the gutting of Maps from WP7 to WP8.

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Naffer posted:

http://www.wpcentral.com/bing-vision-lost-all-features-qr-scanning
Seriously, Microsoft needs to stop removing features with updates. I'm still smarting over the gutting of Maps from WP7 to WP8.

Same. WTF?!

They took a perfectly good OS with WP7.5~7.8, and keep making it worse before anything equal or better is anywhere close or even on the horizon...

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Stubb Dogg
Feb 16, 2007

loskat naamalle

Naffer posted:

http://www.wpcentral.com/bing-vision-lost-all-features-qr-scanning
Seriously, Microsoft needs to stop removing features with updates. I'm still smarting over the gutting of Maps from WP7 to WP8.
Personally I don't give a gently caress, it never worked outside US anyway.

Not that I give a gently caress about WP anymore either, despite working for Microsoft Partner and all that jazz. Can't wait until Apple releases non-tiny iPhone with 5" something display, WP's US marketshare is pitiful but almost all flagship features are US only. And with iOS you actually at least get apps, if Apple isn't willing to localize something.

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