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Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions

Ron Don Volante posted:

Just finished up my first month on AdSense with about $50 in earnings, on a RPM of $5.60. Not bad, considering I was making no money before!

Congratulations, but it's the 20th?

e: oh, I'm guessing you mean a rolling month.

Pierce and Pierce fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 20, 2014

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grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.

Ron Don Volante posted:

Just finished up my first month on AdSense with about $50 in earnings, on a RPM of $5.60. Not bad, considering I was making no money before!

Congrats! What kind of traffic are you getting and where are you placing your ads?

Ron Don Volante
Dec 29, 2012

laxbro posted:

Congrats! What kind of traffic are you getting and where are you placing your ads?


I just stuck 1 728x90 leaderboard at the top of every page on my site. I seem to be getting around 500-600 visitors/day.

Omne
Jul 12, 2003

Orangedude Forever

Ron Don Volante posted:

I just stuck 1 728x90 leaderboard at the top of every page on my site. I seem to be getting around 500-600 visitors/day.

I get like 2/day and I'm not convinced they are real people (how do you find my blog if not through a search engine or a referral link?) I'm jealous

I did learn that you should have a good deal of content before applying to AdSense though...

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

That's pretty good. I never have much luck with leaderboard ads, all my clicks come from 300*300 or 336*300 ads, mostly text.

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
How do you have your ad settings? Image+Text, image only, interest ads or no interest ads?

Ron Don Volante
Dec 29, 2012

Pierce and Pierce posted:

How do you have your ad settings? Image+Text, image only, interest ads or no interest ads?

I'm doing image+text.

Omits-Bagels
Feb 13, 2001
So I'm thinking that I can spend about $100-$200 each month promoting/improving my site (FB ads, stumbleupon, Reddit, hire a writer, etc.). I'm trying to figure out how to get the most bang for the buck. Any suggestions?

snagger
Aug 14, 2004

Omits-Bagels posted:

So I'm thinking that I can spend about $100-$200 each month promoting/improving my site (FB ads, stumbleupon, Reddit, hire a writer, etc.). I'm trying to figure out how to get the most bang for the buck. Any suggestions?

I'd intuitively guess it depends on your blog's vertical but can probably be solved with straightforward math. Go calculate your actual ad rates, the traffic boost by each channel, and your site's RPM, and you'll see which one gets you the best results per dollar spent.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Omits-Bagels posted:

So I'm thinking that I can spend about $100-$200 each month promoting/improving my site (FB ads, stumbleupon, Reddit, hire a writer, etc.). I'm trying to figure out how to get the most bang for the buck. Any suggestions?

Here's a video about Facebook ads and why you shouldn't buy them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

Big Bob Pataki
Jan 23, 2009

The Bob that Refreshes
Every time I start to read into SEO stuff my eyes glaze over and I start to fall asleep in my chair. Is there a decent service that isn't going to try to charge me 50 bucks a month so I can type in my own blog's name into google and not be on page 40

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT
Man, I just switched my blog over from Squarespace to Wordpress and I'm getting a ton more traffic and actual Adsense money. I ran ads on my Squarespace site for 2 weeks, didn't make a single cent. Two days on Wordpress, I'm at least making something. Traffic is spiking too.

Wordpress must just do SEO and Adsense better than Squarespace or something.

I left Squarespace because I found their built-in tools to be quite limited for what I wanted, plus they seem to be moving away from blogs more and more, whereas that used to be their bread and butter. Now I'm finding out that whatever I was doing with Squarespace was actively hurting my blog and I should have been on Wordpress this whole time.

Omits-Bagels
Feb 13, 2001

Moniker posted:

Here's a video about Facebook ads and why you shouldn't buy them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

Yeah, I saw that. I'm makes to rethink using FB.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Big Bob Pataki posted:

Every time I start to read into SEO stuff my eyes glaze over and I start to fall asleep in my chair. Is there a decent service that isn't going to try to charge me 50 bucks a month so I can type in my own blog's name into google and not be on page 40

Edit: wall of text, sorry. But I felt like writing.

You can do SEO stuff by yourself. It's just tedious. If you set up a schedule and stick to it, it makes it a whole lot easier to do by yourself.

This is what I've found so far, but it is working for me (Ranking #1-#10 for a lot of keywords I'm trying to hit for various sites I own).

1. Write good content that people will be interested in in some way or another. You don't have to be an author by any means, but if you're selling something, make sure that the content is driven toward that. If you're blogging about a topic, make sure your content is within the realm of that world. If you're working on a business's site then make sure that their content is geared toward the information that they're ranking for.

2. Don't keyword stuff. Don't target the phrase "Red Silly Straws" and have that phrase in every other word. You can have a lot of various things on the page to get the point across. Mention drinks, straws, silly straws, interesting products, etc. Google is smart enough to know that you're writing something about a product that has to do with drinking and straws.

2.5 Make sure that your on page SEO is good. That means your site title should be an H1 tag and nothing else. Then, depending on what you're doing on your site, your article title is probably the next most important so title "Red Silly Straws" with an H2 so Google can realize that it's the next most important thing for that page.

3. Make sure all of your code is semantic and as beautiful as can be. If you have an image, add an alt text. If you have a link, add a title. If you have an address, phone number, map, author name, etc, look into using information from Schema.org. Every step you take to make your markup more clear and concise the better chance you have above the rest of the people that aren't doing this. That means making sure that you have closed tags everywhere, you're making use of HTML 5 elements (ie, don't put nav links anywhere, put them inside of a <nav> element), make sure you're using <section> <article> <aside>, etc. If you have an image in a blog post, don't just toss the image in and float it. Wrap it in a <figure> element, with a <figcaption> describing what it is. These little things go along way. Number 1 you're not excluding anybody with accessibility issues, and number two, it allows you to get more clear content in regards to Google. If a site can make sense with CSS turned off then you're probably doing pretty well. But keep picking at it. Make a list of things you need to change and pick one per week and fix it. Nice and slow.

This is where the off-site stuff comes in and you'll hear a thousand different things. I personally fall into the grey hat area with abit of black. I liken off site SEO to weight cutting in MMA. There are many purists out there who say that weight cutting shouldn't exist because it causes people to have an unfair advantage, it ruins the integrity of the sport, and it's just not healthy. I agree. But guess what? People still cut weight. That means I have to do it too if I want to make money. So you can choose how far you want to go with off-site SEO, but "letting the content speak for it's self" is a load of horse poo poo in my opinion. We're not all Buzzfeed. People don't share our content a million times per day no matter how good it is.

4. Work on slowly building back links. What does this mean? It's difficult but what I will say is as long as you don't over do it then back links are back links. I have a business (my business) that I created a handful of blogs on various blog sites for. I'm in a manual labor field to keep it general. So I made a blog on blogger that reviews products closely related to my field. I made another blog on wordpress that gives people tips regarding maintaining their home (related again), and I made a few more of these. In each of the blogs I include photos, Youtube videos, great (unspun) content, and I update them once every few months. I also link back to a closely related website for my business. This website isn't a blog. It's essentially a 5 or 6 pager static site that has all of the service that my company provides and lists the prices, phone number, etc. This site links to my real website. However, more business comes from this site than my real website. This is where people get pissed off because I have "two" company websites. Well I did research on my competitors and they all have 5 to 10 versions of their site out there, so if I don't want to go out of business, I need to keep doing that. I have. Now I am outranking a lot of them for a lot of the related keywords.

5. Find closely related websites and ask for link trades. I will admit that this is a LOT easier in a smaller local market than in the global world of the Internet. What I did was compiled a list of various industries that are not in direct competition with me and essentially sent them an e-mail saying this: "Hey, I own COMPANY. I am TYPEofCOMPANY in CITYNAME. I did a search for "CITYNAME Plumber|Roofer|whatever" and found you on the second/third/fourth page. I was interested if you'd like to be featured on my suggested contracts/friends/other services page? This back link, combined with other back links you can get will quickly help boost your rankings for the phrase that I found you for. If you're interested let me know or give me a call." It takes a while but I'm slowly compiling a list of reputable companies that are all linking to my website in exchange for a link to their website. This is old school but it works.

6. This is where it gets a bit more sketchy, but again, I want to make money, not be Mr. Content. Once I get a good amount of blogs created/written (I also pay a guy to write some real lovely quality blog posts for other blogs that I own), I head over to fiverr.com and find gigs where they offer like 10,000 back links for $5. It doesn't matter what the quality is. It's the number. The more you get, the more of them stick. Anyway, I blast the poo poo out of those blogs and web 2.0 sites. I do that maybe once every two months or so.

I just keep a schedule, continue doing one little bit at a time, and if I can get a link, I get a link. Directories, blogs, other websites, articles on eZine when I have time, and so on. It's hard to say what "one" thing helps the most but on a few tests I've done I'd have to say that having web 2.0 and blog posts seemed to help me the most. The quality of the links aren't amazing but the content is related and the blasting of Fiverr gigs helps shoot some link juice to me.


Now this is all controversial but I don't really care. I want to make money and my content is good. But good content will only get you so far. However, paying someone else to do this for you will only get you so far. You are in full control of your SEO. Do a little bit per day and you'll notice results very quickly.

Big Bob Pataki
Jan 23, 2009

The Bob that Refreshes
I greatly appreciate your wall of text.

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
Quantity is not necessarily better when it comes to backlinks, bad spammy backlinks can hurt you and Google can definitely penalize for them. Adding 10,000 all the sudden out of nowhere will definitely send up red flags. If that weren't true negative SEO wouldn't be a thing.

And your article title should be your H1, not solely your site title. Something like "Article Title Here | Site Name"

Now, what Google says they'll penalize and what actually happens are different things.

If you're going to add a bunch of spammy backlinks point them at your Web 2.0s NOT your main site, that way if/when Google penalizes those links you can simply change remove the link to your main site from the 2.0 and not risk having your main site tanked.

Pierce and Pierce fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jul 31, 2014

sim
Sep 24, 2003

Good stuff Moniker, added a quote and link to your post to the OP.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Pierce and Pierce posted:

Quantity is not necessarily better when it comes to backlinks, bad spammy backlinks can hurt you and Google can definitely penalize for them. Adding 10,000 all the sudden out of nowhere will definitely send up red flags. If that weren't true negative SEO wouldn't be a thing.

And your article title should be your H1, not solely your site title. Something like "Article Title Here | Site Name"

Now, what Google says they'll penalize and what actually happens are different things.

If you're going to add a bunch of spammy backlinks point them at your Web 2.0s NOT your main site, that way if/when Google penalizes those links you can simply change remove the link to your main site from the 2.0 and not risk having your main site tanked.

That is exactly what I put in my large wall of text. In fact, I don't even point the web 2.0s to my website. I point those to a subsidiary of my site. Then I repeat that process for a few different subsidiaries and they all rise in the rankings slowly but surely.

As for the H1, I also said that in my post. The H1 should be used only as the title/logo of your site. Other than that, the rest should be other heading tags.

Here's a tip for if you use an actual logo on your site. I didn't come up with it but it's fairly simple. Instead of writing <img src="logo" alt="logo">, write this where your logo should go: <h1>Site name</h1>

Then in your css write something like:

code:
h1 {
	background('path/to/logo.png') no-repeat;
	height: logo-height;
	width: logo-width;
	text-indent: -9999em;
}
This will allow you to have an H1 that includes text as your logo but the logo will be indented off of the page incredibly far to the left. Then the height and width of the H1 are set to the size of your logo and a background image is placed inside of it, leaving you with a nice crispy logo, but the added value of including an H1.

I think you can also place an img inside of an h1 if I am not mistaken but I don't do it that way just because I started doing it this way. Anyway, take that for what it's worth. :)

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
Look, if you're only going to have one H1 it should be your article not your site name because you're targeting a keyword with each article not your site name with each article.

But it's a moot point because there's not really any problem with having multiple H1's on a page anymore.

http://moz.com/community/q/multiple-h1-tags-on-same-page
http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/the-truth-about-multiple-h1-tags-in-the-html5-era--webdesign-16824

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Pierce and Pierce posted:

Look, if you're only going to have one H1 it should be your article not your site name because you're targeting a keyword with each article not your site name with each article.

But it's a moot point because there's not really any problem with having multiple H1's on a page anymore.

http://moz.com/community/q/multiple-h1-tags-on-same-page
http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/the-truth-about-multiple-h1-tags-in-the-html5-era--webdesign-16824

You are branding your website. Not an article. That's why there are subheadings...

Look at each web page as an article in a newspaper. You wouldn't have multiple h1 tags on a newspaper page. You'd have one. The news paper title. The rest would be subheadings.

Here is a PDF directly from Google that I use to justify this practice. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en/us/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Page 20.


code:
<body>
<h1>Brandon's Baseball Cards</h1>
<h2>News - Treasure Trove of Baseball Cards Found in Old Barn</h2>
<p>A man who recently purchased a farm house was pleasantly surprised ... 
dollars worth of vintage baseball cards in the barn. The cards were ... in news 
papers and were thought to be in near-mint condition. After ... the cards to his 
grandson instead of selling them.</p>

quote:

(1) On a page containing a news story, we might put the name of our site into an <h1>
tag and the topic of the story into an <h2> tag.

Anyway, do whatever works best for you. For me it's having the correct markup on the page that is not only correct in terms of Google but also accessible.

Moniker fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Aug 1, 2014

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
What Google says to do and what actually works are two different things. People who are searching for information on your site are going to be searching keywords not your brand.

But yes, ultimately just do what works for you.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Pierce and Pierce posted:

What Google says to do and what actually works are two different things. People who are searching for information on your site are going to be searching keywords not your brand.

But yes, ultimately just do what works for you.

I'm glad other people can see and learn from the differing opinions and good luck to you and your methods.

Scott Justice
Jul 15, 2007
Hot Justice just sounds better
I've actually been wondering this myself lately. I have 0 backlinks, as I'm still working on adding content and I don't want people viewing my website until it's finished. When I do start making backlinks, if I just target it at my domain, would that be enough? Or must I also backlink each article? Do comments on other, more famous blogs count as backlinking?

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
You don't HAVE to make a backlink for every article if you don't want to (but should if you're in a competitive niche), but do point backlinks to your articles as well, not just your domain. Make it look natural to Google.

Blog commenting does count as backlinking, but keep it to relevant blogs, don't just go dropping your link anywhere. Most are going to be no follow but they can still send some traffic, they just won't help much in the eyes of Google.

Here's a good place to find blogs to comment on: http://dropmylink.com/

Pierce and Pierce fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Aug 5, 2014

sim
Sep 24, 2003

Trying out a new design for single post templates, for a handful of new articles:

old layout
new layout

It's a drastic change. I literally started from scratch and built it up. There's no header, top navigation, sidebar, social sharing widgets, related post widgets, or any plugins at all. I was sick of all the crap Wordpress and the various plugins I've installed have added. I wanted to get rid of all the bloat, both in the code and the user interface.

My goal is to give the reader complete focus on the content. Eventually I might put the ads back in, if it's possible to do without ruining the aesthetic. This template only applies to 4 articles, so there's still ads and everything else on all the old stuff. One of my goals is to finally create a mailing list, so I might use these pages to funnel the users towards that. So maybe they never will have ads, except ads for a newsletter sign-up.

What do you guys think?

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
Looks really nice, but is there any navigation at all? All I see are the footer links to your privacy policy and such.

Removing bloat's good but I wouldn't go too far in that direction.

Losing the tag cloud will certainly help for SEO, and I've never thought they added much if any value to the readers personally.

sim
Sep 24, 2003

Nope, the only navigation are links in the content, tag links at the bottom of the post, and the footer as you mentioned. I'm still toying with the idea of having no header navigation at all. It's pretty radical, but it's absolutely distraction free right now. I will probably add navigation back, along with the AdSense.

Big Bob Pataki
Jan 23, 2009

The Bob that Refreshes
My blog is movie related, meaning there's a lot of gifs taken from the movies. I'm about 99% sure that Adsense is going to throw a shitfit over that and say I don't comply to their guidelines, so what's the second best option?

I know obviously AdSense is the best by a wide margin but I'm not gonna re-do my entire format just to get a couple cents per click.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Google is fine with gifs as long as you have them tagged properly and have some accompanying text on your post. You'll also probably get some healthy traffic from google images as well since I don't think they animate on the search page.

Adsense pays much more than any other network I've seen, on the order of pennies on the dollar.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

FCKGW posted:

Google is fine with gifs as long as you have them tagged properly and have some accompanying text on your post. You'll also probably get some healthy traffic from google images as well since I don't think they animate on the search page.

Adsense pays much more than any other network I've seen, on the order of pennies on the dollar.

To piggy back on this post, something that has been working for me with images is to do something like <img src="image" alt="image description | TargetedKeyPhrase"> The targeted key phrase in most of my cases is the website name so it works out. Its just added targeted text that might help you rank.

Another thing people often forget about is the figure element in HTML. Doing something like the following example can give you an added caption in a semantic way, which Google (and screen readers) like.

code:
<figure>
<img src="image" alt="description">
<figcaption>description or added content</figcaption>
</figure>
Little things like that go a long way in regards to SEO and accessibility in my opinion.

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
What is the best way to get followers on twitter?

Also, how would I place adsense ads inside articles?

Royal Jeans
May 12, 2012

laxbro posted:

What is the best way to get followers on twitter?

Also, how would I place adsense ads inside articles?



As far as twitter goes I'd start by following people in your niche. Some will follow back automatically. Tweet other peoples articles that are helpful/relevant and you can get noticed that way as well.

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Royal Jeans posted:

As far as twitter goes I'd start by following people in your niche. Some will follow back automatically. Tweet other peoples articles that are helpful/relevant and you can get noticed that way as well.

Yeah honestly the best thing in my opinion is to subscribe to a bunch of subreddits that are in your niche and let hootsuite auto-post your tweets of relevant articles and bits of information. Plus use hashtags that are popular in your niche. It really does get you followers.

Centripetal Horse
Nov 22, 2009

Fuck money, get GBS

This could have bought you a half a tank of gas, lmfao -
Love, gromdul
It's been a long time since I ran a for-profit blog. In the past, I operated unique, niche blogs that were sometimes ridiculously profitable. What's the goal, these days? $20/month per blog? $100/month? Obviously, it varies wildly, but what's a reasonable return at 30 days, or 60 days? Years ago, I had blogs that went from $0 to four figures in a few weeks, but I am guessing that doesn't happen, anymore, barring a massive fluke.

I know the answer is always "it depends," but if you were to pick a subject of moderate interest at random, would you expect it to generate more than $0 in a month, or three months, or ever?

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Centripetal Horse posted:

It's been a long time since I ran a for-profit blog. In the past, I operated unique, niche blogs that were sometimes ridiculously profitable. What's the goal, these days? $20/month per blog? $100/month? Obviously, it varies wildly, but what's a reasonable return at 30 days, or 60 days? Years ago, I had blogs that went from $0 to four figures in a few weeks, but I am guessing that doesn't happen, anymore, barring a massive fluke.

I know the answer is always "it depends," but if you were to pick a subject of moderate interest at random, would you expect it to generate more than $0 in a month, or three months, or ever?

Just write and the money will come. Be involved in your community and it will flow.

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
oops seems like I got my website shadowbanned from reddit for submitting too many articles to the same subreddit. Sucks to lose the high traffic source but it will force me to build up more lucrative sources like twitter and pinterest.

Pierce and Pierce
Jul 1, 2007
Murders and Executions
How many times does that take?

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
I submitted 4 articles over two weeks. The last 2 or 3 articles were within a few days of on another. I also submitted them from the same account and I rarely post on reddit so I might have gotten dinged for their 10-1 content - blog post rule.

Will try to see if I can message a mod in a few months and get unbanned. I hardly get any clicks, but the sheer amount of traffic means I make a few dollars per post from views on the ads. Those pennies ad up quickly when you're getting a couple thousand views per article submitted.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Mods can't do anything, it's a site wide reddit thing.

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grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
Is it permanent? Could I just submit it as a text submission with the link in there to get around it? I wasn't necessarily spamming my site, I just never post on reddit so I must have triggered their spambot since 4 of my last 7 posts in 2-3 weeks were links from the same site.

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