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Fuzzy Mammal posted:It gets covered in the Esslemont books. Most directly in Orb Sceptre Throne (which is imo his best). The blue naval maranth have a bit in Stonewielder as well. Sadly, I haven't gotten around to reading those yet. 
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pakman posted:I don't think we really know much about the Moranth aside from: they use giant cicadas as mounts, they make explosives used by the Malazans, and that their society is divided into 9(?) castes(?) by colors, as well as the color caste that provides the explosives. I don't think it's mentioned if they are an actual extension of the Malazan army or if they are just weapons merchants and taxi drivers for important people. Actually, they are not part of the Malazan Empire, they are an independent nation who the Malazans have an alliance with. I can't recall what the Moranth get out of it but the Malazans got a major tech upgrade with the munitions, and then Fiddler and Hedge ended up teaching the Moranth a thing or two about how to use their own weapons. It's implied (or guessed at by characters) that the Moranth are holding back some serious stuff and only giving the Malazans their weaker stuff, which, if true, holy poo poo. The castes have different roles, which I cannot remember all of - the Blues are the navy and the Greens are the couriers, IIRC. Some later-series spoilers: they learned how to make munitions from the Tiste Edur, before their own cultural degradation made them forget how to do it, and they have a centuries-old hatred with the Segulah. You learn a lot more about them in Orb, Sceptre, Throne.
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Jul 27, 2014 07:23
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pakman posted:I don't think we really know much about the Moranth aside from: they use giant cicadas as mounts, they make explosives used by the Malazans, and that their society is divided into 9(?) castes(?) by colors, as well as the color caste that provides the explosives. I don't think it's mentioned if they are an actual extension of the Malazan army or if they are just weapons merchants and taxi drivers for important people. They're allied with the Malazans, and the Black Moranth are i guess capable ground troops as well an air force. They're kin to the barghast, and I think that's revealed somewhere in book... 5 or 6? idk
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Jul 27, 2014 07:46
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CaptainJuan posted:They're allied with the Malazans, and the Black Moranth are i guess capable ground troops as well an air force. They're kin to the barghast, and I think that's revealed somewhere in book... 5 or 6? idk Actually, the alliance is falling apart (to the point of some Moranth (RotCG) fighting against the empire and there's some heavy renegotiations going on. Again, the ICE books have more information on them.
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Jul 27, 2014 11:05
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I didn't word my question correctly, what were the Moranth doing after book 3? Something about infighting was mentioned offhandedly.
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Jul 27, 2014 15:27
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I know that the book mentions a shakeup because of the losses inflicted on the Gold Moranth while fighting with the Malazans. Other than that I can't remember (and I haven't read anything by ICE).
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Jul 29, 2014 13:58
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Just finished Book 1. Wow! A couple things I didn't get: What was Dujek Onearm's reasoning in switching up the reinforcements? Was that the point at which he decided to take his entire army and desert? Did Caladan Brood recognize that's what he was doing? What's the deal with the Crimson Guard, were we supposed to think they're deserting from Caladan Brood?.
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Jul 29, 2014 20:25
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Tokelau All Star posted:Just finished Book 1. Wow! Keep reading, it gets better. E: Any question regarding motivation is not definitively knowable without a specific character telling the reader in his own thoughts what he was thinking at the time. There are a lot of characters who lie, misrepresent, misremember or just straight up don't know anything but assume what they've been told is true in these books that we can't really answer any of those questions.
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Jul 29, 2014 22:14
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I've started reading Forge of Darkness and something I'm wondering from the earlier books was it ever outright stated or made clear that Draconus was a Tiste? Despite him being consort of mother dark I just assumed he wasn't, probably because I forgot about some passage explaining his appearance. I'm glad at least that things finally seem to start making sense, like who/what mother dark actually was since it made pretty much no sense in the original series
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Jul 29, 2014 22:42
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Jose posted:I've started reading Forge of Darkness and something I'm wondering from the earlier books was it ever outright stated or made clear that Draconus was a Tiste? Despite him being consort of mother dark I just assumed he wasn't, probably because I forgot about some passage explaining his appearance. I'm glad at least that things finally seem to start making sense, like who/what mother dark actually was since it made pretty much no sense in the original series He's not Tiste. It's never really clarified in the earlier books either way, but I believe he's described as being a larger than normal Tiste in appearance when you are first introduced to him in the sword. I think.
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Jul 29, 2014 23:06
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Baudin posted:He's not Tiste. It's never really clarified in the earlier books either way, but I believe he's described as being a larger than normal Tiste in appearance when you are first introduced to him in the sword. I think. I'm pretty sure he's outright outed as an Azathanai isn't he?
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Well I'm not far enough through the book then yet and I'm pretty sure they're only named near the end of the main series  Its still kind of confusing working out where Forge of Darkness is set since it doesn't seem like Kurald Galain considering the Azathanai, Jaghut and Jheleck are all about. I suppose it'll be made clear or something will happen to move Kharkanas into Kurald Galain or something or other idk . I'm only a quarter of the way through the book so far
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Jul 29, 2014 23:25
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In one of the main sequence books someone remembers Draconus coming among them pretending to be Tiste when he's definitely not, so it's foreshadowed early. Also let us know what you think when you finish!
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Jul 30, 2014 00:23
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Jose posted:Well I'm not far enough through the book then yet and I'm pretty sure they're only named near the end of the main series Its based in Kurald Galain.
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Jul 30, 2014 00:57
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Baudin posted:Its based in Kurald Galain. Yes, it's based in the time shortly before the Tiste were divided, and when Kurald Galain was just a province on the same world as Malazan takes place. It's all the poo poo is going to happen in the next two books that will set up more or less the status quo that exists in the present.
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Jul 30, 2014 06:09
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Do we know it is on Wu though? Pretty sure we don't other than the fact some familiar races are there and some maybe references to Kallor's kingdom.
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Jul 30, 2014 06:16
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dishwasherlove posted:Do we know it is on Wu though? Pretty sure we don't other than the fact some familiar races are there and some maybe references to Kallor's kingdom. References to Kallor, the Imass, the Eres'al, K'rul spilling his blood into the world, etc... It's Wu.
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Jul 30, 2014 08:05
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Habibi posted:References to Kallor, the Imass, the Eres'al, K'rul spilling his blood into the world, etc... It's Wu. I distinctly remember a sequence in one of the Malazan books where Silchas Ruin gets backstabbed by Scabandari Bloodeye after a climactic battle with the... I want to say K'Chain Che'Malle? The implication is that the Tiste invaded the current world and are effectively foreigners to it. They are not native to the Malazan world. Perhaps its merely that there are warrens connecting the two worlds that are easier to traverse?
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I should reread Forge sometime but I vaguely remember the events at the very, very end involving Mother Dark and Draconus's gift possibly causing the splitting off of Kurald Galain from the rest of the planet, so that stuff you remember from the HoC prologue wouldn't be too messed up. That said, Forge just shits all over your prior canon beliefs so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:20
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I always thought that it was just another Warren. The Tiste or Kurald Warren or some such thing. In forge, we're just looking at it before it was sundered into three. I also just assumed that the azathanai were elder gods or primal forces or something. Either way, it's interesting as he'll.
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Baudin posted:I distinctly remember a sequence in one of the Malazan books where Silchas Ruin gets backstabbed by Scabandari Bloodeye after a climactic battle with the... I want to say K'Chain Che'Malle? The implication is that the Tiste invaded the current world and are effectively foreigners to it. They are not native to the Malazan world. Perhaps its merely that there are warrens connecting the two worlds that are easier to traverse?
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Jul 31, 2014 02:34
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Man The Wurms of Blearmouth had me grinning like an idiot from start to finish. I like how all the Nemenethani are fleshed out across the 5 K&B books.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:24
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The B&KB series is like a fantasy version of a confederacy of dunces with Bauchelain & Korbal Broach taking the place of Ignatius J. Reilly. And making that comparison made me love the B&KB series even more.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:57
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I'm reading forge of darkness probably faster than any malazan book because its explaining so much
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Aug 1, 2014 03:40
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Forge of darkness owns, young Endest Silann, draconus pwning noobs, caladan brood etc
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I'm about midway through The Bonehunters and just when I thought I had these books figured it out in terms of 'action' (swords, sorcery, military strategy and an obvious reverence for high-powered explosives) I hit the chapter where Bottle has to lead the survivors of the burning city to safety through old crypts. It was nerve-wracking, mostly because it plays on real fears of claustrophobia that the more fantastical elements of undead pseudo-cavemen and blade-handed reptiles that live in floating mountains lacks, I loved the way it explored how each character would deal with that situation, and I think it hit harder mostly because of how unexpected it was. Erikson, you clever bastard. I also like that he pulled the same trick with Corabb that he did with Karsa:make him laughably ignorant, shatter his naivete, and then see how he copes with it. I really love the way the characters actually seem to change as people. It's downright anti-Tolkienism. A question about the book, though:are we suppose to infer Mappo just straight-up died when he went tumbling off the cliff with that demon and Icarium woke up with that random rear end in a top hat? Or if a straight yes/no is going to spoil something, will the answer be 'just keep reading'?
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Aug 4, 2014 03:52
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Keep reading.
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That sequence in The Bonehunters is definitely my favorite part of the series. The sense of immediacy, and the way that each character gets their own chance to shine. It's really brilliantly put together.
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Meinberg posted:That sequence in The Bonehunters is definitely my favorite part of the series. The sense of immediacy, and the way that each character gets their own chance to shine. It's really brilliantly put together.  I love the surprised look on the face of the undead dude on the roof.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:55
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I still can't imagine why they picked, out of all the awesome events in the book (probably the most 'events connected loosely' out of all the series) they picked the wagon rolling down the slope.
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Aug 4, 2014 21:58
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Phone posting so I can't really do a whole review, by I finished willful child. It was fun, though I'm not sure you can make a whole series out if it which is what it's looking like. If anyone else wants a read an ARC went up on eBay today: xxx edit: Whoops looks like that's not true and my rss reader hosed up.
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Aug 4, 2014 22:18
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Assail is out, I just got the book at Barnes and Noble. Here's hoping ICE did it justice!
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Aug 5, 2014 00:32
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All signs point to nothing amazing unfortunately.
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Habibi posted:Keep reading. The answer is always: Keep reading, since it will give you the answers.
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Meinberg posted:That sequence in The Bonehunters is definitely my favorite part of the series. The sense of immediacy, and the way that each character gets their own chance to shine. It's really brilliantly put together. I love the entire battle of Y'Ghatan, but that is by far the best part of it. It's so chilling and terrifying.
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Elyv posted:I love the entire battle of Y'Ghatan, but that is by far the best part of it. It's so chilling and terrifying. I'm also reading bonehunters at the moment and I gotta admit that book was kinda too slow ,even for malazan standards, at the beginning and then Y'Ghatan happened.I just hope book will have some more exciting parts like that!
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Deranged M posted:I'm also reading bonehunters at the moment and I gotta admit that book was kinda too slow ,even for malazan standards, at the beginning and then Y'Ghatan happened.I just hope book will have some more exciting parts like that! Keep reading. The ending is just great.
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Ugh, the Shake story arc never really paid off.
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amuayse posted:Ugh, the Shake story arc never really paid off. What? I thought that story line had one of the best endings of the series.
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amuayse posted:Ugh, the Shake story arc never really paid off. Filthy untruth. Yedan Derryg out-metals Karsa. Did not expect that from anyone, let alone the Shake storyline.
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