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Die Laughing posted:The big deal isn't in the units sold, but that the character is pulling in new readers. I had a lady friend over the other night that doesn't read comics, but asked me if I heard about the new Ms. Marvel, and gushed as she flipped through the issues I gave her. Told her to keep them, and pass them to the next person that might enjoy them. Slick.
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zooted heh posted:I love how vol 2 of savage wolverine has nothing to do with issues 1-5. Because Savage Wolverine is just a series of disconnected stories (many of which are team-ups) where Wolverine does stuff. There's no real running plot thread throughout the book.
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Aug 2, 2014 23:03
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thanks for clearing that up. vol one left off with a cliff hanger. I just assumed it would continue. thats what i get for buying only digital verison of comics. I cant skim through the comic. welp ill probably stop reading it. I thought the savage land story was interesting.
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Aug 2, 2014 23:10
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Die Laughing posted:The big deal isn't in the units sold, but that the character is pulling in new readers. I had a lady friend over the other night that doesn't read comics, but asked me if I heard about the new Ms. Marvel, and gushed as she flipped through the issues I gave her. Told her to keep them, and pass them to the next person that might enjoy them. Careful. I think you get stabbed in the end.
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Aug 2, 2014 23:12
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Is the best way to read in order (if it is possible) to sort by publication date? I read the 2008 Guardians of the Galaxy and then switched to the new series. At the end of the old one, Thanos returned and they had him in stasis or whatever. Cut to the new Guardians of the Galaxy series and then Gamora is talking about how Star Lord fought Thanos and sent him into the cancerverse or something (which is referenced in the 08 series). Did I miss stuff happening between then? In Thanos' own series maybe?
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Aug 3, 2014 15:44
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War of Kings, Realm of Kings, The Thanos Imperiative is the story of how the Shi'ar and Kree [Now run by the Inhumans] go to war, blow a hole into reality, and Cthulhuian horror heroes come through from a universe where Life has defeated Death. As you sort of pick up on reading the new run, it ends with Peter Quill and Richard Rider holding Thanos off in the Cancerverse as the hole closes to keep him from going back and wrecking poo poo. As far as everyone knew, Star-Lord and Nova died along with Thanos. Then basically out of nowhere Star-Lord and Thanos are back. It's not been uncommented on, even in story, but we won't get the answer until next month. All we know is that something happened and Quill and Thanos came back much later...and Richard Rider did not.
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Aug 3, 2014 16:11
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Boogaleeboo posted:War of Kings, Realm of Kings, The Thanos Imperiative is the story of how the Shi'ar and Kree [Now run by the Inhumans] go to war, blow a hole into reality, and Cthulhuian horror heroes come through from a universe where Life has defeated Death. As you sort of pick up on reading the new run, it ends with Peter Quill and Richard Rider holding Thanos off in the Cancerverse as the hole closes to keep him from going back and wrecking poo poo. As far as everyone knew, Star-Lord and Nova died along with Thanos. Then basically out of nowhere Star-Lord and Thanos are back. It's not been uncommented on, even in story, but we won't get the answer until next month. All we know is that something happened and Quill and Thanos came back much later...and Richard Rider did not. Also didn't Thanos murder Drax in the Cancerverse?
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Aug 3, 2014 16:15
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Sorry if you were actually interested in reading those stories instead of having someone tell you what happens.
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Boogaleeboo posted:War of Kings, Realm of Kings, The Thanos Imperiative is the story of how the Shi'ar and Kree [Now run by the Inhumans] go to war, blow a hole into reality, and Cthulhuian horror heroes come through from a universe where Life has defeated Death. As you sort of pick up on reading the new run, it ends with Peter Quill and Richard Rider holding Thanos off in the Cancerverse as the hole closes to keep him from going back and wrecking poo poo. As far as everyone knew, Star-Lord and Nova died along with Thanos. Then basically out of nowhere Star-Lord and Thanos are back. It's not been uncommented on, even in story, but we won't get the answer until next month. All we know is that something happened and Quill and Thanos came back much later...and Richard Rider did not. Kree and Inhumans have gone their separate ways again because Inhumans needed to come back to Earth...I guess because Hickman wanted them in FF and I guess maybe they knew Inhumanity was on the table at that point.
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muscles like this? posted:Also didn't Thanos murder Drax in the Cancerverse? Yes he essentially vaporized him and its been glossed over how Drax came back.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:08
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Jiro posted:Yes he essentially vaporized him and its been glossed over how Drax came back. It's supposedly covered next issue (the Original Sin crossover) in GotG.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:13
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Those Ms. Marvel numbers don't include digital sales on ComiXology and the like, do they?
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Aug 3, 2014 19:23
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Those Ms. Marvel numbers don't include digital sales on ComiXology and the like, do they? Probably not, but I also doubt it matters all that much.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:28
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I think I saw an article somewhere that Ms. Marvel has sold way more digitally than it has in print.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:35
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Deadpool posted:I think I saw an article somewhere that Ms. Marvel has sold way more digitally than it has in print. That's not too surprising since it's really popular among younger demographics.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:40
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Those Ms. Marvel numbers don't include digital sales on ComiXology and the like, do they? Yeah, so I found a story about that on Bleeding Cool. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/28/ms-marvel-1-and-the-rest-have-sold-more-in-digital-than-the-rest/ The problem is (unless I'm some sort of idiot) the story is poorly written which makes understanding it a chore. So according to that story most titles sell 10-20% of their Print Sales in digital. If that is true, most comics sell around the 30K mark. 10-20% of that would mean that they only sell like 3,000 to 6,000 in digital? If that's true then the Digital market is essentially a massive failure near as I can tell. But yeah I must be mistaken about that. Anyway, supposedly Ms. Marvel sells digitally more than most books. So that's good.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:23
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They literally scan the comics into a PDF so for the minimal effort required it's not really a failure. And on Comixology's part that's like 50 books a week doing 2-3k so they're probably fine with it too.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:33
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The Question IRL posted:Yeah, so I found a story about that on Bleeding Cool. I don't think it means digital is a huge failure. Ms. Marvel is probably not the only digital comic that sells more in digital than retail, I'm sure there's other niche (meaning designed for someone other than a 30-45 year old white males) that do well digitally, modern comics production means that comics are already digitally uploaded, and that's 3-6 thousand sales you don't have to pay to print or ship. And then there's the huge back catalog , which, if it's already been digitized, is product you can sell with almost no overhead. Edit: Also, since there's basically only one retailer, that's pretty good business.Imagine opening a comic shop and your sales were 10% of every other single comic shop in America combined. And I don't think the 10-20% corresponds with a decrease in print sales, so if you're a Marvel, Image or DC all you're seeing is a 10-20% bump in sales. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Aug 3, 2014 20:38
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I still figured that Digital was a way of reaching out to the potential millions of people who would be interested in reading comics. I had visions of being able to sell things digitally would open everything up to a huge market place. That even if things wouldn't go back to the golden age of sales (that would require the price of digital comics tumbling to super cheap levels of like a dollar or less for comics.) that the Digital market I expected to massively shore up the previously plummeting readership. Learning that it's only bringing in a small number for an already tiny market is disappointing, to say the least.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:48
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The Question IRL posted:I still figured that Digital was a way of reaching out to the potential millions of people who would be interested in reading comics. I had visions of being able to sell things digitally would open everything up to a huge market place. That even if things wouldn't go back to the golden age of sales (that would require the price of digital comics tumbling to super cheap levels of like a dollar or less for comics.) that the Digital market I expected to massively shore up the previously plummeting readership. It's an 11-25% increase over the standard LCBS model. I'd call that a win.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:51
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I think once Amazon properly integrates weekly comics into their store, you'll see a gradual boost. Comixology just isn't a great storefront and the big two currently don't give enough of a poo poo about digital comics to really push them as a platform even though it's clearly where things are headed.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:51
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Skwirl posted:I don't think it means digital is a huge failure. Ms. Marvel is probably not the only digital comic that sells more in digital than retail, I'm sure there's other niche (meaning designed for someone other than a 30-45 year old white males) that do well digitally, I'm guessing the reason are that oldschool comic readers enjoy having something they can hold in their hands, then add to their longbox to boost the size of their collection. Also, Ms. Marvel is aimed (somewhat) at women, and getting it digitally means they don't have to go to a comic shop and be gawked at by 350lb neckbeards.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:57
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Gynovore posted:I'm guessing the reason are that oldschool comic readers enjoy having something they can hold in their hands, then add to their longbox to boost the size of their collection. Also, Ms. Marvel is aimed (somewhat) at women, and getting it digitally means they don't have to go to a comic shop and be gawked at by 350lb neckbeards. Hey, almost all my Ms Marvel sales have been to teenage girls. We even got a nice writeup in the local Arts & Entertainment circular about how great it is that we cater to young women.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:02
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Haha, yep. Plus much more convenient. Ms. Marvel is a good way to get into comics, I think. I started off with it, then added Elektra and Revival, then two volumes of Chew (I'll add the rest of the backlog slowly  ), and I'll probably get She-Hulk in volumes too.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:05
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Haha, yep. Plus much more convenient. I keep meaning to start up a thread that's basically "What do you want out of your local comic shop?" I need more ideas to reach out to young readers.
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Hakkesshu posted:I think once Amazon properly integrates weekly comics into their store, you'll see a gradual boost. Comixology just isn't a great storefront and the big two currently don't give enough of a poo poo about digital comics to really push them as a platform even though it's clearly where things are headed. Too many people in the biz are hung up on the romanticism of comic shops/are best buds with the people who run them/scarred shitless of being the first company to put themselves out there and have the shops revolt and stop carrying them. The digital numbers suffer from nobody but people who already buy comics knowing they can even get comics digitally, start putting an ad for digital in front of the movies and you'd see digital start crushing physical copies. Most media is stuck in this weird limbo right now where digital is clearly the future but they are hamstrung by physical retailers not wanting to be phased out using clout to keep digital prices high and it's availability hush hush. SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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SirDan3k posted:Too many people in the biz are hung up on the romanticism of comic shops/are best buds with the people who run them/scarred shitless of being the first company to put themselves out there and have the shops revolt and stop carrying them. I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand I'd like comics to embrace digital, because ultimately I feel it's a forum that really suits the medium. The big thing that made me switch from hard copy to digital is the fact that I have hundred of comics. That poo poo takes up space. Lot's and lots of space. Being able to store all my collection on an IPad is just easier to find and read. On the other hand (and I realize this is the polar opposite) I don't like this notion that physical is dead and we should just switch en mass to digital for everything. For a start it leads to elitest assumption that "sure the whole world is online anyway, make everything 100 Gig downloads. Everyone can afford that and has always on internet." Secondly I really feel that it will lead to some type of bait and switch where companies turn around and say "actually, you don't own any of the things you've bought as the law hasn't quite caught up to what we were doing. Your rental period is up." Some of those fears have been eased by the announcement about Comixology doing DRM free comics so you can download and own the files you paid for. Basically I don't want comics to be relegated to just hard to reach physical stores, and at the same time I don't want the entire world moving to a model where you just buy everything online and never have to leave your house for any reason.
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The Question IRL posted:I'm in two minds about this. After having gotten the "50 Years of" DVDs a few years ago, full digital can't happen soon enough. I travel a bunch, so now I go on trips with a bunch of PDFs on a tablet versus having to only go with a few trades that won't even last a five hour flight. If I can get issues direct from Marvel/DC/Whoever and cut out the LCS (I have only lovely places around me that don't deserve my business) while at the same time having access to them while travelling, that's awesome. And if it can help get new audiences into comics without having them involved in the toxic environment of the LCS, it's win-win-win.
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Rhyno posted:I keep meaning to start up a thread that's basically "What do you want out of your local comic shop?" I need more ideas to reach out to young readers. My LCS is like a time machine that, in spite of the cultural detritus it collects as it passes through the years, the store itself remains firmly a product of the 80's. I am a "young reader" and find it simultaneously nostalgic and depressing, so do with that what you will 
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First Bass posted:My LCS is like a time machine that, in spite of the cultural detritus it collects as it passes through the years, the store itself remains firmly a product of the 80's. I am a "young reader" and find it simultaneously nostalgic and depressing, so do with that what you will I mean like, 8-14 year olds man but I get what you're saying.
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Rhyno posted:I keep meaning to start up a thread that's basically "What do you want out of your local comic shop?" I need more ideas to reach out to young readers. I don't know anything about your store, but I always feel really depressed when I walk into mine and the staff is always entirely men in their 30s with various kinds of beards, wearing faded t-shirts of dumb 90s comic stuff. Just once I'd like to walk in and see some fresh faced 20something, possibly wearing some actually nice clothes. It'd make it feel more like a real store and less like I walked into someone's basement hangout.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't know anything about your store, but I always feel really depressed when I walk into mine and the staff is always entirely men in their 30s with various kinds of beards, wearing faded t-shirts of dumb 90s comic stuff. Just once I'd like to walk in and see some fresh faced 20something, possibly wearing some actually nice clothes. It'd make it feel more like a real store and less like I walked into someone's basement hangout. Senor Candle and Codependent Poster have both met me in real life. I'd like to think that I don't fall into your bad column. Hell I try very hard to not wear comic shirts when working, usually plain t-shirts or black short sleeve button ups.
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Rhyno posted:Senor Candle and Codependent Poster have both met me in real life. I'd like to think that I don't fall into your bad column. Hell I try very hard to not wear comic shirts when working, usually plain t-shirts or black short sleeve button ups. See, that already sounds like an actual manager's outfit. Hell, just a new-looking t-shirt with the store's logo on it would be better than crab mask kyle rayner grimacing at me.
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Lurdiak posted:See, that already sounds like an actual manager's outfit. Hell, just a new-looking t-shirt with the store's logo on it would be better than crab mask kyle rayner grimacing at me. I did wear a GotG shirt when we worked a cross promotion event at the theater (where I met SC) but that's pretty much the only tiems I break the rule.
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Rhyno posted:I mean like, 8-14 year olds man but I get what you're saying. They also used to do a Singles Against Humanity which was a night where people play Cards Against Humanity and hit on each other. That was kind of dope. EDIT: I uh, forgot that this wasn't the Derailed thread and you probably weren't soliciting answers to that question now. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:I assume you guys do table top stuff since that's been the bread and butter of most smaller shops that I've seen. But near me, in Brooklyn, they opened this Gamer Lab. It's designed as a sort of after school program that parents enroll their kids into. But it made me think that a comic shop running a weekend game workshop for younger kids might be cool and potentially bring in new costumers for that sort of thing. I'll post over there or start a thread later. I like what you're suggesting.
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What can anyone tell me about this new Star Lord trade that collects his 70's comics? Worth reading still?
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Edge & Christian posted:It's completely variable. According to the sales estimates at Comichron the first printing of the first issue sold around 50,000 copies, which is pretty impressive for the launch of a non-marquee (never mind non-white-male-who's-been-around-for-decades) book in 2014. The following month they record an additional 7,000 copies sold, then 5,400 the next month, then 3,400, then 2,800. These may not be exactly aligned to each printing, but is probably reflective of approximately how big most second/etc. printings are. In print alone her title's post-#1 sales have been quite stable, but over in that Bleeding Cool article's comments I'm reading claims both that "Ms Marvel is routinely in the top 5 for digital on the week it drops" and by someone else that "I've been following and the book IS consistently a top 5 seller on its release week across all publishers on Comixology. It's bigger than events. It's bigger than sales. It's bigger than brand new #1's, and that's most likely because it's designed with a larger market in mind", so if Ms. Marvel digital sales regularly exceed the numbers above, then her combined print-and-digital numbers are more than double of the above. Mecca-Benghazi posted:Ms. Marvel is a good way to get into comics, I think.
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Does Remender's Captain America get any better or more interesting after Dimension Z? I've been catching up on all the AXIS related titles for fun and that Dimension Z arc was...not fun. Pretty disappointed after having read Brubaker's run a few months ago.
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I like it, but it never becomes Brubaker's cap, and keeps a similar tone to Dimension Z throughout.
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