Auspol August: Half-baked enraged drivel

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Schneider Inside Her: Aug 6, 2009; Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

Perth's SmartRider system is extremely legit. Cheaper fares and if the system is down you just get on the bus for free. All we need now is a better public transport system.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:07

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Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

The Myki system is pretty sweet too. Like with Perth, if the machines aren't working then you ride for free (not sure if the bus drivers are supposed to do that but that's what they always do). It's a pain in the rear end to have to keep buying new Mykis every time you lose one, though.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:10

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Depends on which lovely uniformed thug is on the train that day though. I've seen plenty of people getting fined for not having a valid myki, even when the station's busted.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:12

Smegmatron: Apr 23, 2003; I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

http://www.opalornot.com.au

quote:

After 146727 comparisons, 34% found Opal cheaper, saving an average of $203.25 yearly, and 65% found Opal more expensive, costing them an average of $323.25 yearly.

And that's everything you need to know about Opal.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:20

Ler: Mar 23, 2005; I believe...

Cartoon posted:

Arsetralian, paywalled. 1/10 see me after class.

quote:

Bees in the bonnet led to too many pettifogging old media ownership rules
Mark Day
THE AUSTRALIAN August 04, 2014 12:00AM

FREE speech gives us all the right to speak our mind. It extends, accord�ing to Attorney-General Georg�e Brandis, to the right to be bigoted. It justifies, thankfully without endorsing, the toxic, vindictive and unsavoury cesspits of blogs and tweets.

But none of us has fully free speech. We are constrained, eith�er by our own common sense, em�pathy for others or self-control, or by government-imposed defamation laws, vilification laws and regulatory red tape that profess to define community standards.

Even nations built on notions of liberty and free choices for its indiv�iduals recognise the limits of free speech. But the trick is to know where to draw those limits, and that is an ever-changing proposition in an ever-changing world.

When our methods and means of communication were limited, it was fairly easy. If what you said was judged to expose someone else into hatred, ridicule or contempt, you could expect to pay. The larger the audience, the bigger the defo bill.

But in a world of digitally driven social media, blogs, internet commentary, tweeting and the like, it is all but impossible to monitor, let alone restrict, who is saying what. As well, the digital revolution makes the regulatory framework attached to the legacy media both unwieldy and unworkable.

The issue of free speech will be discussed and debated at a Human Rights Commission symposium in Sydney on Thursday. It will look at restrictions on free speech, including defamation law, media regulation and the digital environment.

I was asked by Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson to speak on media regulation, rang�ing from the work of the Australian Communication and Media Authority to media concentration, but I am unable to be there.

A good starting point for the analysis of the work of ACMA is to ask why it is there. It is a large bur�eaucratic body looking after legitimate issues around managing spectrum matters � which frequencies should be used for radio, television, intergalactic telescopes, worksite two-way radio systems or WiFi connections.

It also has to decide on whether or not the bogan-style comments of, say, Kyle and Jackie O meet or offend community standards. Whatever debate may arise over issues such as this, you can be assured that if something offensive is broadcast, its equivalent will be 10 times worse on social media.

I accept that spectrum needs to be managed to avoid chaos, in the same way as we need to all drive on the same side of the road. But no longer can a case be made for bodies such as ACMA to impose limits on what can or cannot be said beyond those defined by defo and vilification laws.

In the early days of broadcasting, these controls were imposed because broadcasting spectrum was scarce and licensed by governments. Broadcasters were expected to meet community standards designed to be inoffensive to all. They also had obligations for children�s programming and were bound by law to broadcast regular religious programs.

Today, with limitless access to communication channels, inter�action can be one-to-one, rather than one-to-many, and the consumer is empowered to become his or her own censor.

ACMA has a room full of people whose job it is to watch porn channels all day. They are deciding which websites should be put on the government�s blocked list. I have no idea how many sites are blocked but it�s laughable to suggest this work goes anywhere close to inhibiting the global online porn industry. Why bother? It is surely a parent�s job to install filters on their kids� computers or phones to block this content.

ACMA has other nonsensical roles: it must keep a register of radio station ownership, especially in the bush, and be ready to jump on sales or mergers that result in a change of ownership so it can ensure live and local services, including news, are maintained. This was a rule pushed through by former Nationals MP Paul Neville. It was drafted so widely that it caught changes in ownership brought about by death and family succession, but that was later changed and the rules now apply to hours of service, news bulletins and staff levels. Now Neville is out of the parliament, these pettifogging, unworkable rules that resulted from a silly bee in his bonnet should be abandoned.

ACMA�s chairman is Chris Chapman, a lawyer with a commercial broadcasting background. He is bound to work within the public service and execute ACMA�s tightly worded laws, so he is more focused on getting the job done than worrying about any deep-seated reform he may think necessary. But he has guided ACMA through a period of review that led to papers calling for reform of �broken concepts� and building on �enduring concepts� to streamline essential regulation.

ACMA sees a need for due process and natural justice, leaving the impression it is focused on the trees rather than the forest. Its work is slow, cumbersome and costly and its regulatory remit is crying for reform.

All this adds up to my view that it is well and truly time for Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull to, putting it crudely (as one may in a fully free-speech environment), piss or get off the pot. He is approaching his first anniv�ersary in the job and is, uncharacteristically, crawling towards a promised wholesale review of media regulation.

Turnbull will have his eyes fixed firmly on the big-picture game when he makes his calls on media-ownership rules, including cross-ownership and diversity matters. But he should also question the validity of dozens of old rules, many created to satisfy past political priorities rather than address real needs. They might have seemed worthwhile when the world was a very different place but now, they are irrelevant.

Turnbull is the kind of bloke who, given the choice between wholesale reform and tinkering at the edges, instinctively thinks big. He has a quick-enough brain to suggest he�s had enough time for thinking, and the sooner he acts to sweep away all but essential regulation, the better off we�ll all be.

mday@ozemail.com.au

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:24

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

lol ozemail account

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:26

Ler: Mar 23, 2005; I believe...

Australians showing once again they're a huge ignorant piece of poo poo

#Essential Poll Requiring dole recipients to do up to 25 hours community service a week: Approve 68 Disapprove 25 #auspol

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:35

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Orkin Mang posted:

lol ozemail account

I'm surprised their servers are still running.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:36

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Cartoon posted:

Arsetralian, paywalled. 1/10 see me after class.

No one should doubt Twiggy Forrest's sincerity & ambition to help indigenous Aussies, should be congratulated for adding to the discussion

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:37

Tirade: Jul 17, 2001; Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division; Pillbug

Just wanted to let the thread know that I'm having a beer in celebration of Abbott's back down on 18c. And y'all should too (or whatever form of celebration you prefer) - it's important to celebrate the wins given all the terrible things going on in auspol these days.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:47

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Tirade posted:

Just wanted to let the thread know that I'm having a beer in celebration of Abbott's back down on 18c. And y'all should too (or whatever form of celebration you prefer) - it's important to celebrate the wins given all the terrible things going on in auspol these days.

They gave up on the HECS thing too! Things could be worse, for once!

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:50

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

Have they successfully done anything beyond brutalise asylum seekers and axe the tax.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:51

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Abbott backs down on so many vile things, it's close enough to seem like Rudd never lost the election and haunts the Liberal Party to be Right Wing Labor...FOREVER!

Also are those rumours about Abbott calling a conscience vote on Gay Marriage in order to help with the polls true? Any news on that because Young Labor has been talking about it a lot recently.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:54

Lizard Combatant: Sep 29, 2010; I have some notes.

Captain Pissweak posted:

Have they successfully done anything beyond brutalise asylum seekers and axe the tax.

To be fair, that's all Australia really wanted

# ? Aug 5, 2014 08:55

KennyTheFish: Jan 13, 2004

You Am I posted:

I'm surprised their servers are still running.

Appears iinet run them

DNS server handling your query: localhost
DNS server's address: 127.0.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
ozemail.com mail exchanger = 10 cusdomain.iinet.net.au.

Authoritative answers can be found from:

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:03

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

SynthOrange posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/aug/05/mystery-over-dead-koala-dumped-in-police-driveway-with-50-in-its-mouth

Ah yes, the old dead koala trick. Gets them every time.

...Almost every time.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:06

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

He's deffo reading his mail on a Windows 98 PC with Outlook Express

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:06

aejix: Sep 18, 2007; It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim; Pillbug

More like nutscrape navigator

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:15

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

quote:

@s_bridges Well, @mrgrumpystephen and I always said 5k followers would be the signal to wrap it up.

Albo eat Kevern

rip @Rudd2000

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:25

Cassa: Jan 29, 2009

ewe2 posted:

Cassa, the problem is the Cert 4, if you want a cert at the same level you'll have to pay for it, they can only subsidize the next level up. So unless there's a Diploma, you'd be out of luck.

Ah poo poo, really? Not even if the cert is in a different industry?

I'm going to push them to hassle their JSA about more support anyway.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:32

Hocus Pocus: Sep 7, 2011

Orkin Mang posted:

The Myki system is pretty sweet too. Like with Perth, if the machines aren't working then you ride for free (not sure if the bus drivers are supposed to do that but that's what they always do). It's a pain in the rear end to have to keep buying new Mykis every time you lose one, though.

The only problem with the Myki in Melbourne is that somehow, people are so stupid that they still haven't learned that you need to hold the card for like a second on the scanner. The number of fuckwits I see slapping their card against the scanner and looking confused - this many years in - is truly remarkable. How Australia is not facing a population crisis because the country forgets en masse to feed itself, is beyond me.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:35

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

ewe2 posted:

Albo eat Kevern

rip @Rudd2000

A date which will live in infamy

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:37

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Cassa posted:

Ah poo poo, really? Not even if the cert is in a different industry?

I'm going to push them to hassle their JSA about more support anyway.

You might get some subsidy but nothing like a full one. They cut the subsidies anyway, I was lucky to get my Cert 4 before the beginning of the year, people are paying twice as much for the same cert now.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:41

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Splode posted:

They gave up on the HECS thing too! Things could be worse, for once!

They're still deregulating fees, it's just the repayments will still be indexed to inflation rather than interest rates.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:49

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Chrodyn posted:

Griffith Nathan campus is uglier than I remember. Just passed a group loudly talking about how privatising education would be a good thing. Any of you study here?

I just started this semester, haven't noticed anything like this but I stick to myself mainly and avoid loud shitheads.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:49

Cassa: Jan 29, 2009

ewe2 posted:

You might get some subsidy but nothing like a full one. They cut the subsidies anyway, I was lucky to get my Cert 4 before the beginning of the year, people are paying twice as much for the same cert now.

Well, poo poo.

Least I'm getting mine... :eng99:

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:59

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Essential Research is 51-49 to ALP. I'm worried that the voting public will eventually even out to a "This Government is average" then proceed to give them 2 more terms while Bill Shorten is replaced by Albo, Bowen or a mystery person who no one can remember the name of. Like... Tanya Plebesdegbdvcnotangloenoughlastname

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:05

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Ragingsheep posted:

Go Card is getting replaced.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/389986,could-fingerprint-scans-replace-queensland8217s-go-card.aspx

Likely not, since it'd require starting a new contract and replacing all the GoCard infrastructure, which would be a complete loving nightmare. Getting the amount of GoCard machines we have now has been a gradual process. Interesting bit of info; the majority of GoCard machines are on a Telstra Next IP DSL service, which is basically a private WAN that only runs over Telstra infrastructure (thus being more secure as it doesn't touch the internet except via a gateway in the Woolloongabba exchange). I'm kind of surprised they didn't set it up using NextG, or at least with NextG back up, because *copper*.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:06

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ASxyfKips

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Anidav posted:

Essential Research is 51-49 to ALP. I'm worried that the voting public will eventually even out to a "This Government is average" then proceed to give them 2 more terms while Bill Shorten is replaced by Albo, Bowen or a mystery person who no one can remember the name of. Like... Tanya Plebesdegbdvcnotangloenoughlastname

They use a 2-week rolling average right? It's probably still got the bounce from them not making GBS threads the bed on the plane in the Ukraine.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Just to keep track shelving the 18C repeal constitutes another broken promise, though one people are glad to see. Still another promise broken, I wonder how SIr Andrew Bolt will take this one?

Edit: "Senator Brandis will also prepare legislation likely to compel phone and internet companies to retain customers' metadata - the basic information about a phone call such as the location of the caller.

Mr Abbott said that would include "the usual range of safeguards, warrants"."

Oh. Goodie.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:27

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

The plane in the Ukraine falls mainly on the... hm...

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:27

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

You Am I posted:

I'm surprised their servers are still running.

They were bought by iinet

code:

ozemail.com.au.		3672	IN	MX	10 as-av.iinet.net.au.

Edit: I was not as close to the end of the thread as I thought

norp fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Aug 5, 2014

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:28

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

Conservative columnist Andrew Bolt - who was found to have breached the current Act in 2011 - is mourning the Government's move to abandon the changes.

"I think it is desperately sad that freedom of speech has so few defenders that the Government has failed to get this measure through," he told the ABC.

Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson said the decision not to repeal section 18C was "extremely disappointing".

"This government has squibbed at this important opportunity to allow for the human right to free speech in Australia," he said.

The right to be bigots.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:31