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Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

~~Baroness~~ Lady Warsi's resigned.

Link: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28656874

Party Boat fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Aug 5, 2014

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:27

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 04:56

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Party Boat posted:

Baroness Warsi's resigned.

Link: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28656874

Is she upset because the government is pro-Israel or not pro-Israel enough?

I genuinely can't tell.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:43

Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

I actually posted that hoping that one of you would tell me. :/

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:46

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Judging by her tweets at the start of the month on the subject I'm guessing it's the former.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:47

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Zephro posted:

What kind of job is it, if I can ask? If it's relatively senior or skilled then you actually have some power, because the company has gone to all the effort and expense of hiring you and they aren't going to want you to quit / be unable to work for the sake of fronting you one month's pay.

It's a media monkey job. Requires a few months training and I do have a few years experience, so if I really made a fuss I doubt they'd let me go rather than not pay me an advance, but I don't really want to get off on the wrong foot when I've just moved here and really need this job security. Anyway my manager is talking to HR so hopefully I can get something.

quote:

Also congrats on the cheap flat.

Splitting with my girlfriend, if I was alone it'd be 2000 pounds. I honestly don't understand how ordinary people live in London without sharing a room.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:49

tentish klown: Apr 3, 2011

freebooter posted:

It's a media monkey job. Requires a few months training and I do have a few years experience, so if I really made a fuss I doubt they'd let me go rather than not pay me an advance, but I don't really want to get off on the wrong foot when I've just moved here and really need this job security. Anyway my manager is talking to HR so hopefully I can get something.

Splitting with my girlfriend, if I was alone it'd be 2000 pounds. I honestly don't understand how ordinary people live in London without sharing a room.

Everyone I know (whether they are ordinary or not is a judgement you'll have to make) lives in shared housing - i.e. they rent a room and have housemates.
People under 30 at least tend not to rent a whole flat for themselves as it's insanely expensive. By that point they might have saved up a deposit, depending on what career path they're going down.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:08

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

tentish klown posted:

Everyone I know (whether they are ordinary or not is a judgement you'll have to make) lives in shared housing - i.e. they rent a room and have housemates.
People under 30 at least tend not to rent a whole flat for themselves as it's insanely expensive. By that point they might have saved up a deposit, depending on what career path they're going down.

I continue to find it amazing that people don't get more angry about this. I'd completely had my fill of housesharing by the time I left uni but a lot of the London-based late 20s/early 30s people I know did it for years afterwards and some of them that now own houses have lodgers to help with the mortgage despite having six figure pre-tax incomes. It's utterly mental.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:21

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

This is supposedly her resignation letter

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:27

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Brown Moses posted:

Judging by her tweets at the start of the month on the subject I'm guessing it's the former.

Mike Fabricant's Twitter posted:

Sad @SayeedaWarsi has gone. I was her whip when Party Chairman & know she has v strong views on Muslim issues. But DC is right on Gaza.

HuffPo

Muslim issues.

VVV

quote:

Warsi is the first minister to quit "on principle" since the coalition was formed in 2010,

KayTee fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Aug 5, 2014

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:43

haakman: May 5, 2011

A conservative politician with principles?

Human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together...mass hysteria!

# ? Aug 5, 2014 10:46

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

LemonDrizzle posted:

I continue to find it amazing that people don't get more angry about this. I'd completely had my fill of housesharing by the time I left uni but a lot of the London-based late 20s/early 30s people I know did it for years afterwards and some of them that now own houses have lodgers to help with the mortgage despite having six figure pre-tax incomes. It's utterly mental.

People do get angry, a lot, but not many of them vote and they still have less political clout than owner-occupiers. No government really wants to build more houses, at least not yet.

edit: also, as soon as you do manage to scrape together an �80,000 deposit for a rabbit-hutch in Tottenham your views do a 180-degree flip, which doesn't help.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 11:20

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

tentish klown posted:

Everyone I know (whether they are ordinary or not is a judgement you'll have to make) lives in shared housing - i.e. they rent a room and have housemates.
People under 30 at least tend not to rent a whole flat for themselves as it's insanely expensive. By that point they might have saved up a deposit, depending on what career path they're going down.

I said room, not house. Sharing a house goes without saying.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 11:35

tentish klown: Apr 3, 2011

freebooter posted:

I said room, not house. Sharing a house goes without saying.

Well, you say that if it wasn't for your girlfriend you would be paying 2k/month. So now you're paying 1k? Most of my friends have their own rooms and pay 7-900/month plus bills which comes out quite similar.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 12:45

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

�2k a month for a room is a lot of money even for London. Where are you living?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 12:56

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

The definition of irony: paying a court millions to drop bribery charges.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:08

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Noxville posted:

The definition of irony: paying a court millions to drop bribery charges.

Read the article. It's German law, not a bribe, and the charges have not been dropped - the trial just ends without a verdict, so he can't claim to be innocent.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:15

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Zephro posted:

�2k a month for a room is a lot of money even for London. Where are you living?

Yeah jesus christ that is a lot. I can get a super nice 1br for much less than that.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:17

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

He said that the �2k included the deposit. Maybe �800/mo rent for the first month and then 1.5 months' rent as deposit on top of that?

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Aug 5, 2014

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:23

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Malcolm XML posted:

Yeah jesus christ that is a lot. I can get a super nice 1br for much less than that.

I've got a large 3 bedroom house with a stable block and large garden In rural South Glos for half this. Lol at living in London you mugs.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:45

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Serotonin posted:

I've got a large 3 bedroom house with a stable block and large garden In rural South Glos for half this. Lol at living in London you mugs.

London is where the jobs are

What are you gonna do?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:49

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Jedit posted:

the trial just ends without a verdict, so he can't claim to be innocent.

Well he might not have a verdict of innocence but surely he can still claim it. Or does Germany not go with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:55

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Get a job in Bristol?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 13:57

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

KKKlean Energy posted:

Well he might not have a verdict of innocence but surely he can still claim it. Or does Germany not go with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing?

It does, but the German law he used is basically an agreement to pay compensation for something you did in exchange for the trial ending without a guilty verdict. There's only two reasons to use it: because you're innocent but proving it is more trouble than it's worth, or because you're guilty and don't want to be convicted. And given that Ecclestone originally offered to pay $20m in compensation but the court demanded $100m, the whole world knows which it is.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:18

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Serotonin posted:

I've got a large 3 bedroom house with a stable block and large garden In rural South Glos for half this. Lol at living in London you mugs.

The countryside is poo poo though

unless you like flicking pebbles into cowpats there's nothing to do, and you have to drive everywhere.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:40

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Jedit posted:

It does, but the German law he used is basically an agreement to pay compensation for something you did in exchange for the trial ending without a guilty verdict. There's only two reasons to use it: because you're innocent but proving it is more trouble than it's worth, or because you're guilty and don't want to be convicted. And given that Ecclestone originally offered to pay $20m in compensation but the court demanded $100m, the whole world knows which it is.

Presumably this only works for certain crimes. I can't pay $1m to be let off for murder, can I?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:41

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

mfcrocker posted:

Get a job in Bristol?

The number of software companies that would a) sponsor a visa b) pay international market rates that are outside of London is basically 0.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:42

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Zephro posted:

Presumably this only works for certain crimes. I can't pay $1m to be let off for murder, can I?

the prosecution don't have to accept your offer. you can't make them.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:44

Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

Some mug has taken a fake bomb on a plane.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28662867

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:49

Obliterati: Nov 13, 2012; Pain is inevitable.
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Thunderdome is forever.

big scary monsters posted:

Seems like an appropriate time for this to make another appearance in the thread then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7peTBVprtY

Thanks for this, worth sharing right around now.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 14:53

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Zephro posted:

Presumably this only works for certain crimes. I can't pay $1m to be let off for murder, can I?

No. I don't know the full details of the law, but I believe it's mostly for financial crimes.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 15:08

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Malcolm XML posted:

The number of software companies that would a) sponsor a visa b) pay international market rates that are outside of London is basically 0.

a) I imagine there are a few companies willing to sponsor decent candidates. I probably work for one of them (which is admittedly based in Bath)

b) Well obviously you don't get paid London wages outside of London because you don't have to pay London housing costs, London food costs, London transport costs etc. My mortgage is �550/month and rents on a 2 bed city centre flat are anywhere in the �800-1200/month range.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 15:53

neck face: Mar 13, 2009; closed casket

Here's a little online 'game' that some of you might find interesting � http://playspent.org

It's attempting to illustrate how difficult it is to live on the breadline in America while you try and make it through a month. I got fired after union talk

# ? Aug 5, 2014 15:54

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

neck face posted:

Here's a little online 'game' that some of you might find interesting � http://playspent.org

It's attempting to illustrate how difficult it is to live on the breadline in America while you try and make it through a month. I got fired after union talk

Yeah, worker protections are even worse in the States than they are here.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 16:06

Pork Pie Hat: Apr 27, 2011

Speaking of union talk... Bruce Carr, the lawyer who was asked to review union law to see if new laws could be introduced to combat 'intimidation' by union activists, has refused to evaluate rules around strikes and trade disputes after policy announcements left his views 'meaningless'.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/05/union-law-review-barrister-bruce-carr-minister

"The Guardian' posted:

An independent review of laws governing industrial disputes has been dramatically scaled back after the QC in charge objected to recent ministerial announcements on introducing anti-strike laws.

The Carr review, led by the employment law specialist Bruce Carr, was asked by the Cabinet Office minister, Francis Maude, and the business secretary, Vince Cable, to examine union laws and come up with recommendations to stop intimidation by activists.

But Whitehall sources said that policy announcements by Maude last month suggesting that the Tories would introduce new laws to curb unions' rights to picket had rendered Carr's own review "meaningless". Instead, Carr told ministers that he would not come up with any recommendations for legal changes.

The announcement will embarrass Maude, who has previously insisted that Carr's review was neutral and able to come up with new laws without political interference. It will please the unions, which have consistently argued that the review was a political stunt since it was announced by the prime minister in November.

Carr said in a statement on the review's website that he had become increasingly concerned about the quantity and breadth of evidence that the review has been able to obtain. "In addition, I am also concerned about the ability of the review to operate in a progressively politicised environment in the run-up to the general election and in circumstances in which the main parties will wish to legitimately set out their respective manifesto commitments and have already started to do so.

"Any recommendations which might be put forward without the necessary factual underpinning would be capable of being construed as the review making a political rather than an evidence-based judgment, whichever direction such recommendations might take.

"As such I have agreed with the secretary of state for business, innovation and skills and the minister for the Cabinet Office that the review will produce a scaled-down report, which reflects on the process of attempting to obtain evidence and which sets out the story as best we are able to tell it from the limited evidence which we have gathered, but will not make recommendations for change."

It is understood that Carr first raised his own concerns that the review had been severely compromised last month, after Maude announced a package of new laws to curb the rights of unions to take industrial action. The plans centred on forcing union leaders to prove that half their members supported a walkout and that a large proportion had voted. Otherwise, a strike could be ruled illegal.

But the plans also suggested that a future Tory government would introduce a criminal offence to stop picketing and would strengthen the code of practice on picketing by giving it statutory force. Carr told ministers that this announcement cut right across the review, it is understood.

David Cameron first revealed plans for a review of union laws in November, in light of the "leverage" tactics deployed by the Unite union at the Grangemouth oil refinery in Falkirk. At the time, Labour was in the midst of a damaging row over tactics employed by union officials in Falkirk to dominate the local party.

But the planned review, which was due to look at industrial relations in the round and the Grangemouth case in particular, stalled after the Trades Union Congress (TUC) objected to what it felt was a lack of consultation. It was due to be completed later this month.

The review's terms of reference were limited in March to an assessment of the alleged use of extreme tactics in industrial disputes, including leverage, which directly targets managers, and the effectiveness of the existing legal framework to prevent inappropriate or intimidatory actions in trade disputes. The Grangemouth investigation has also been dropped.

In a joint statement issued in April, Maude, and Cable confirmed the review would make proposals and recommendations for change.

The TUC labelled the inquiry a headline-grabbing party-political stunt. Labour had privately argued that the review was primarily designed to embarrass Ed Miliband due to his links with Unite.

Privately, ministers have said they doubt there are any holes in the law regarding picketing, or union activists trespassing on managers' private property. But they felt there may be an issue about the way the law is enforced by police. The precise terms of reference involve "the alleged use of extreme tactics in industrial disputes, including so-called 'leverage' tactics; and the effectiveness of the existing legal framework to prevent inappropriate or intimidatory actions in trade disputes".

Reacting to Carr's statement, the TUC general secretary, Frances O'Grady, said the Tories should repay the cost of the inquiry. "Bruce Carr has been cynically used by the government in a party political stunt for the Conservative party. He is right to recognise this politicisation, so I am not surprised at his decision not to make any recommendations and simply review the few submissions sent to him.

"But the politicisation is not new, it was built in from the start � and now Mr Carr has found his work entirely pre-empted by a Conservative party press release."

Mark Serwotka, head of the PCS union, said: "The Tories handpicked Bruce Carr to do their bidding but even he couldn't stomach their anti-union rhetoric, exposing the review as a facade for an attack not just on more than 6 million trade union members but on all working people and their communities."

Up yours Maude and Cable!

# ? Aug 5, 2014 16:10

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Zephro posted:

The countryside is poo poo though

unless you like flicking pebbles into cowpats there's nothing to do, and you have to drive everywhere.

Counterpoint. You are wrongy mcwrong

# ? Aug 5, 2014 16:39

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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mfcrocker posted:

a) I imagine there are a few companies willing to sponsor decent candidates. I probably work for one of them (which is admittedly based in Bath)

b) Well obviously you don't get paid London wages outside of London because you don't have to pay London housing costs, London food costs, London transport costs etc. My mortgage is �550/month and rents on a 2 bed city centre flat are anywhere in the �800-1200/month range.

You're right that Living in London's a lot more expensive than the rest of the country, but if you've got juuust the right intersection of software dev skills, the pay is obscene and beats the increased costs by e: enough to get this thread in a tizzy.

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 5, 2014

# ? Aug 5, 2014 16:42

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Wait are you saying the best way to live in London is to be rich? This is an intriguing and novel concept.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 17:02

I_Socom: Jul 18, 2007; A great ride that requires finesse and effort to get the best out of it.

coffeetable posted:

You're right that Living in London's a lot more expensive than the rest of the country, but if you've got juuust the right intersection of software dev skills, the pay is obscene and beats the increased costs by e: enough to get this thread in a tizzy.

Tell me more?

# ? Aug 5, 2014 17:06

hexa: Dec 10, 2004; And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom

I_Socom posted:

Tell me more?

He's not talking about Call of Duty, sorry dude.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 17:07

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EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

The obscenely rich don't live in the property they own in London. They just have it for bragging rights or something equally dumb.

# ? Aug 5, 2014 17:08

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