|
Neurolimal posted:Will have to disagree on this specific point: That's fair enough. There's always people who internally profit from war. I'll bet that arms manufacturers everywhere have had a drat good time too.
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 14:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 13, 2024 04:38 |
|
|
lenoon posted:Stop punching? Would that work? Anyone remember the Tamil Tigers?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 14:53
|
|
|
RaspberryCommie posted:But yeah, Neo-Nazis agree with us, therefore Israel is 100% right and should not be criticized. Many fascist groups support Israel as a useful bulwark against Islam and support what they're doing to Palestinians. For instance Breivik's manifesto used the same separation of Jewish people into Zionists who are tolerable and 'self loathing Jews' Who oppose Israel and are a prime target for Fascists. Some fascists are still more anti-Semitic than Islamophobe though, I believe Jobbik in Hungary falls into that category. But yeah, Israel's atrocities are so awful as to garner then support from some neo-Nazis.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 14:54
|
|
|
RaspberryCommie posted:Israel said that HAMAS was the one who broke all the ceasefires though. Don't be anti-semantic. Well there's also the fact that Neo-Nazi's, while lovely people who don't want on your side, aren't automatically wrong about absolutely everything. Nor does association with them via some 5 Steps From Kevin Bacon-esque game make anyone else a Neo-Nazi. If a Neo Nazi says the sky is blue, and so do I, that doesn't make the sky green and it doesn't make me a Neo Nazi too.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 14:57
|
|
|
My mistake Breivik openly declared his love for Israel: http://world.time.com/2011/07/26/norway-terror-accused-breivik-on-the-jewish-question/ I suppose he and Israel do share a love of killing children.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 15:02
|
|
|
Kombotron posted:Anyone remember the Tamil Tigers? Their major operations ended just five years ago, and there's been multiple accounts to suggest that Tamils within Sri Lanka are still being subjugated. If conditions do not improve for them (or they leave the island entirely, which is not an option for Gaza citizens nor the majority of West Bank citizens) then we'll see if further unrest occurs.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 15:07
|
|
|
Adios PK! Do come back if you want to offer a statement on behalf of the literal Nazis you support (per the video on the precious page).
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 15:08
|
|
|
Radbot posted:Adios PK! Do come back if you want to offer a statement on behalf of the literal Nazis you support (per the video on the precious page). Just as soon as you admit that you're full of poo poo and lied about what I said. Of course, you're just a dishonest shill, so I'm not holding my breath. Say, weren't you one of Eripsa's big supporters?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 15:10
|
|
|
Ok, time for a 72 hour ceasefire
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2014 15:11
|
|
|
Did it get broken 
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:28
|
|
|
Skyl3lazer posted:Did it get broken Most up-to-date news I could find says it's holding.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:34
|
|
|
A BBC reporter I heard earlier today said that Hamas sources were saying to him that their conclusion from this latest aggression is that fighting gives them a seat at the negotiating table. Nothing new really, and a stance that can be inferred but it's good messaging for them to point it out.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:38
|
|
|
We got two reports today (French TV & Indian TV) showing the Hamas terrorists setting up rocket sites. Actually never seen this being covered by reporters in Gaza. The terrorists appear to be getting as close to the UN areas/civilian areas as possible. http://www.france24.com/en/20140805-exclusive-video-hamas-rocket-launching-pad-near-gaza-homes-un-building/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:39
|
|
|
Where else are they going to set them up at?
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:44
|
|
|
Arkane posted:We got two reports today (French TV & Indian TV) showing the Hamas terrorists setting up rocket sites. Actually never seen this being covered by reporters in Gaza. The terrorists appear to be getting as close to the UN areas/civilian areas as possible. edit: hah, sorry, did I say inconsequential? I meant massive overreaction. Goodness.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:44
|
|
|
Arkane posted:We got two reports today (French TV & Indian TV) showing the Hamas terrorists setting up rocket sites. Actually never seen this being covered by reporters in Gaza. The terrorists appear to be getting as close to the UN areas/civilian areas as possible. I don't think anyone is denying Hamas is firing rockets near civilian areas (where else could they fire from in Gaza?), but: 
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:48
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:Where else are they going to set them up at? In an open field, like dis 
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:48
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:In an open field, like dis Given Israel's penchant for accurate artillery fire, I'd put money on them hitting a UN school anyway.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:51
|
|
|
Oh, good, this is back. Ynet claims that Netanyahu and Kerry were speaking on Sunday when the call was cut off for technical reasons, but was not renewed. It's not clear if Kerry's coming to the Cairo talks. Another story refers to a NY Times piece about how Netanyahu and Obama's relationship may never recover  .More interesting is a report that the planner of the abduction of those three teens had been arrested last month, July 11th, and that he allegedly got the money to perform the abduction from Hamas operatives in Gaza. The abductors themselves are still at large. This was brought up during a hearing in a case in the Supreme Court against demolishing the three alleged operatives` houses. A lot more seems to still be classified until the other two are captured.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:52
|
|
|
that was a short 72 hours
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:53
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:In an open field, like dis
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:54
|
|
|
JFairfax posted:that was a short 72 hours Xandu broke the ceasefire early. Why should we not shitpost when the mods don't honor their own treaties?
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:55
|
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:Oh, good, this is back. Ynet claims that Netanyahu and Kerry were speaking on Sunday when the call was cut off for technical reasons, but was not renewed. It's not clear if Kerry's coming to the Cairo talks. Another story refers to a NY Times piece about how Netanyahu and Obama's relationship may never recover "Hello, Mahmoud? It's Hamas. Quick, abduct 3 teenage hitchhikers with no strategic or military value, then immediately kill them. I'm sending you a bunch of money you'll need for this intricate and complicated operation."
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:57
|
|
|
i'm getting nightterrors at the thought of all those israeli pets terrified at the sound of those ghastly sirens : ( i see labrador piss everywhere and there are no back legs but with a tail between them. msm won't report on this but that's pretty typical b/c they love hamas.
Orkin Mang fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Aug 6, 2014 |
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:Another story refers to a NY Times piece about how Netanyahu and Obama's relationship may never recover Can't recover what never existed, although an actual rift between the U.S. and Israel somehow would be a game-changer. Which means it will never happen.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
JFairfax posted:that was a short 72 hours As appropriate for an I/P thread, it lasted about as long as an average 72 hr ceasefire
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
Tezzor posted:"Hello, Mahmoud? It's Hamas. Quick, abduct 3 teenage hitchhikers with no strategic or military value, then immediately kill them. I'm sending you a bunch of money you'll need for this intricate and complicated operation." Apparently they used it to buy weapons. As we know, abducting hitchhikers requires very advanced weaponry (a gun) and really complicated logistics (a car). 
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 03:59
|
|
|
Arkane posted:We got two reports today (French TV & Indian TV) showing the Hamas terrorists setting up rocket sites. Actually never seen this being covered by reporters in Gaza. The terrorists appear to be getting as close to the UN areas/civilian areas as possible. I dunno, I imagine that their rocket firing probably caused relatively less terror than the Israeli bombs/shells that are sure to level the area in the future, if they haven't already.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:05
|
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:Apparently they used it to buy weapons. As we know, abducting hitchhikers requires very advanced weaponry (a gun) and really complicated logistics (a car). Why they would use a third party is still up for debate. I mean if they were Israeli or something it would make sense, but just hiring out other Palestinians is just pointless. Though we are getting this second hand from a group that would benefit from blaming HAMAS for this.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:15
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:I dunno, I imagine that their rocket firing probably caused relatively less terror than the Israeli bombs/shells that are sure to level the area in the future, if they haven't already. True, but it also seems like there might be a really simple way to prevent the bombs/shells from being dropped. In fact, I imagine the people firing the rockets give far less shits about civilian casualties than the bomb-droppers do...probably right around zero shits.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:16
|
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:
I still can't believe this is a Thing.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:16
|
|
|
Arkane posted:True, but it also seems like there might be a really simple way to prevent the bombs/shells from being dropped.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:18
|
|
|
Israel has Supreme Court hearings to determine if they should bulldoze houses.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:21
|
|
|
Arkane posted:True, but it also seems like there might be a really simple way to prevent the bombs/shells from being dropped. In fact, I imagine the people firing the rockets give far less shits about civilian casualties than the bomb-droppers do...probably right around zero shits.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:23
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:Why they would use a third party is still up for debate. I mean if they were Israeli or something it would make sense, but just hiring out other Palestinians is just pointless. Well, the PA has cracked down on West Bank Hamas operatives pretty bad, so it's not entirely unreasonable on that level. As for the rest... I don't know, I don't feel I could ever really trust the results of this investigation with the widespread use of torture and lack of due process whenever Shin Bet is involved. euphronius posted:Israel has Supreme Court hearings to determine if they should bulldoze houses.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:27
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Israel has Supreme Court hearings to determine if they should bulldoze houses. I'm genuinely surprised they even have those.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:27
|
|
|
Arkane posted:True, but it also seems like there might be a really simple way to prevent the bombs/shells from being dropped. Is it "abide by the ceasefire" because that hasn't worked three times in a row.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 04:48
|
|
|
Arkane posted:True, but it also seems like there might be a really simple way to prevent the bombs/shells from being dropped. Seppuku?
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 05:00
|
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:Well, the PA has cracked down on West Bank Hamas operatives pretty bad, so it's not entirely unreasonable on that level. As for the rest... I don't know, I don't feel I could ever really trust the results of this investigation with the widespread use of torture and lack of due process whenever Shin Bet is involved. Wait, does that make the Shadows the United States? Hmmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39nvDbbrsmI Goddamn, Babylon 5 fits surprisingly well with the whole debacle. Edit: This one even more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJmuHNDcXLQ MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Aug 6, 2014 |
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 05:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 13, 2024 04:38 |
|
|
For those of you outside the states, want to know why the US supports Israel unconditionally? Here, let me sum it up for you in an anecdote. My wife was visiting her family this week. Her mother, who is otherwise a nice woman who has been better to me than my own family has (  ), took a look at ongoing events and quite reasonably warned my wife that that the loving rapture was coming any day now. Her logic was that all the nations are turning against Israel, so here it comes, everyone, it's Revelations time! I mean, it's stunning. By every other metric, she's a great person, but when you start talking about Christianity it's like her eyes go sideways and some sleeper cell programming takes over. (Part of it's Stockholm syndrome, I guess, but I won't get into that.)I will never understand evangelical christianity's obsession with keeping Israel a thing at all costs. It's like, you guys know you already had your messiah, right? The Israel messiah thing's supposed to be for the jews IIRC, and that kind of implies not believing Jesus was the messiah, which more or less locks you out of the discussion argh why am I trying to apply logic to this help my brain. ANYWAY, the point is that fundies is crazy and skew old, white, and crazy. It's heartening to see the internet generation go "uh no they're kind of killing civilians you tool," but it'd be a lot more heartening if, I don't know, we loving did something about Israel dropping bombs on civilians.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2014 05:12
|
|
