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Aggressive Mining is practically begging us to build a deck around it that breaks it- as already mentioned, there's basically no existing archetype where you wouldn't rather just have Chandra. Hopefully we see some interesting things in the next block that synergize with it.
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Hopefully we see some interesting things in the next block that synergize with it. Lands-in-graveyard-matter theme confirmed for Tarkir. Fetch reprints confirmed for Tarkir.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Lands-in-graveyard-matter theme confirmed for Tarkir. Fetch reprints confirmed for Tarkir. Mudhole to be reprinted as the ultimate hoser.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Lands-in-graveyard-matter theme confirmed for Tarkir. Fetch reprints confirmed for Tarkir. Ob Nixilis printed in M15 as a fetchland punisher 
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Aug 6, 2014 09:37
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Realtalk 2-drop goblin planeswalker: Gobbo, Cowardly Goblin Burnmeister RR +1: Deal 1 damage to target player. -2: Put 2 1/1 Goblin creature tokens into play. -4: Put an emblem into play with "Creatures you control gain haste. Whenever a creature you control attacks, deal 1 damage to target creature or player." 2 loyalty
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Aggressive Mining is practically begging us to build a deck around it that breaks it- as already mentioned, there's basically no existing archetype where you wouldn't rather just have Chandra. Hopefully we see some interesting things in the next block that synergize with it. Chasm Skulker and Riptide Chimera both work reasonably nicely with it, check the brewhaus where I posted my list.
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Aug 6, 2014 11:11
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Sega 32X posted:Realtalk 2-drop goblin planeswalker: As a turn 4 Fervor with massive upside, this card seems quite good.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Lands-in-graveyard-matter theme confirmed for Tarkir. Fetch reprints confirmed for Tarkir. Reprint Terravore.
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Aug 6, 2014 14:25
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Balon posted:Reprint Terravore. Might as well reprint all the Goyfs at that point.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:11
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Especially Tarmogoyf. At Uncommon 
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Aug 6, 2014 15:16
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Bugsy posted:Life From the Loam + Seismic Assault recurring Dakmore Salvage by dredging. Can swans be in the deck because I love do kill lands and draw cards.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:18
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Can swans be in the deck because I love do kill lands and draw cards. I'm a little bit surprised that Seismic Swans isn't a more popular deck. I mean the colour requirements are pretty bad (RRR on turn three, 2UU on turn four), but it seems like it's at least a little bit more resilient than Twin since you aren't vulnerable to damage-based removal.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:27
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem is that Aggressive Mining costs 4 mana to play. The drawback of "you can't play lands" combined with a 4 CMC is sufficient to make it unplayable. It would only be good in a corner case where you drew a very specific set of cards, e.g. your first four cards were burn spells, aggressive mining, and every other draw had just been more land and nothing else. Why is the 4 CMC an issue? The thing with Aggressive Mining is that it's a 4-drop you never want to play on turn 4. It's basically a late game draw spell that you play when you're at 6-8 lands and just need more gas. Imagine a 3R sorcery that says "Sacrifice two lands and draw four cards. You can't play lands now." That's basically what Aggressive mining is. It's actually decent as the one 6 or 7-drop you throw in your Limited deck.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:29
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Is Chord of Calling going to drop lower than $10? Or should I pick them up now?
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Entropic posted:Why is the 4 CMC an issue? The thing with Aggressive Mining is that it's a 4-drop you never want to play on turn 4. It's basically a late game draw spell that you play when you're at 6-8 lands and just need more gas. It's not so great, but you can still use DRS to get some mana out of those excess lands in addition to the card draw for the time being. Now I'm thinking about RB burn with aggressive mining for the rest of superstandard, but it's such a dumb idea.
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They haven't really found a home in Standard yet and they'll probably go up when they do, plus they'll always be a modern staple, so yeah, now is probably the time to grab them. At most the might drop a couple more bucks as people keep opening them if there's no big Standard deck, but mono-green is already trying them out to some success.
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LanceKing2200 posted:Is Chord of Calling going to drop lower than $10? Or should I pick them up now? It'll go up if someone finds a deck for it. If there's no competitive deck for it in Standard it'll probably dip a bit lower. That's kind of risky though, if you want them you probably won't be unhappy with buying now.
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I think people would rate Aggressive Mining a lot higher if it wasn't a rare.
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So...is Generator Servant into a hasty t4 Inferno Titan good enough for Modern? Could there be a Big Red build in Modern? I mean, Six damage spread as you like plus combat damage seems pretty nice t4, but you're just asking to get a Doomblade, and there is no bigger warning sign than seeing a Generator Servant. I really don't know if/how this can work. Edit: In fact, Generator Servant into any of the Titans could be a bit nutty, since GS into Sun Titan gets your Servant back, and a big swing, while GS into Primeval means you jump up by 4 lands. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Veyrall posted:So...is Generator Servant into a hasty t4 Inferno Titan good enough for Modern? Could there be a Big Red build in Modern? I mean, Six damage spread as you like plus combat damage seems pretty nice t4, but you're just asking to get a Doomblade, and there is no bigger warning sign than seeing a Generator Servant. Probably not, if only because you're probably never casting Inferno Titan unless you untap with Generator Servant, which probably won't happen very much once they catch on to your plan. Who knows though, it sounds like a pretty sweet thing to pull off.
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I'm a little bit surprised that Seismic Swans isn't a more popular deck. I mean the colour requirements are pretty bad (RRR on turn three, 2UU on turn four), but it seems like it's at least a little bit more resilient than Twin since you aren't vulnerable to damage-based removal. I'm really not, because it lost a lot when BBE got banned. I mean you can use the other cascade 4 drops, but they just aren't that great. Either way its a deck I always mess around with on cockatrice and similar, because I'm a Johnny and that deck is fun and weird.
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I'm thinking a RG shell, so that, if they kill your Servant, that's one less kill spell for the Primeval after him, while you also have BoP and Elves to accelerate you, but then maybe going straight ramp might be better? Wrath effects are obviously your worst enemy, but man-lands can help with those, especially with Primeval grabbing a ton of them for you.
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Also I want to play a deck with flagstones of troikar and Aggressive mining. Throw in Knight of the Reliquary, Loam, Crucible, Pridemage and so on. Throw in the dark depths even. E: Aw man, manabond would probably circumvent the restriction. Alright gonna brew this deck. Life from the Mine... or Mine from the Loam. Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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LanceKing2200 posted:Is Chord of Calling going to drop lower than $10? Or should I pick them up now? It is safe to get them now...we will have a new set that will be getting drafted in a month and a half, so the number being opened per month will go down at that time. At the same time we will see a lot rotate and MonoG I think will be in a GREAT place and see these popping up in decks. If it goes down I don't think it will go down more than $1-2, so it isn't like you will be losing $20 moving now. If it does find a good home and makes an appearance in a competitive deck though it could end up costing you more than $20.
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qbert posted:I doubt it. People seem to forget that every land you draw after playing the card is just dead in your hand, so you're not even getting full gas out of the lands you sacrifice. There's always Rummaging Goblin. I just meant that because it's a rare people are more likely to think of it as some sort of combo piece to be broken or something, when really it's just a mediocre-but-still-pretty playable end-game draw spell for your R/x limited deck.
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Aggressive mining sorta kinda not really synergizes with Phantatog
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Yeah why not just play Quasali pridemage
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I may have to pull this to the deckbuilding thread, but a hilarious interaction is that Generator Servant sacked into Sun Titan lets you get back that Servant, attack with the Titan, and get something else from the grave.
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Veyrall posted:I may have to pull this to the deckbuilding thread, but a hilarious interaction is that Generator Servant sacked into Sun Titan lets you get back that Servant, attack with the Titan, and get something else from the grave. Thats pretty funny and brings back fond memories of solar flare.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Also I want to play a deck with flagstones of troikar and Aggressive mining. Throw in Knight of the Reliquary, Loam, Crucible, Pridemage and so on. Throw in the dark depths even. Now I'm wondering if maybe Aggressive Mining could fit in Legacy Lands.dec, although based off of what little I know about that deck I'm not sure it needs more CA tools.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Yeah why not just play Quasali pridemage Gold frames were the only frames I considered unambiguously better looking after the change. And it took a few sets before we actually saw them iirc.
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I think I'm correct in saying Genju of the Spires was the first modern border gold card.
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frameset posted:I think I'm correct in saying Genju of the Spires was the first modern border gold card. I think you actually mean Genju of the Realm and I think that's correct.
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If you guys aren't sick of it yet, here's a minor update on legal stuff between Hex and Magic. The main thing to take away from this document is that Wizards isn't trying to claim that mechanics were stolen but instead saying that Magic in its entirety was taken and repurposed with the intent of making profit. I don't know, they can definitely make that claim, but it might be stepping too far over as there are a significant amount of differences between the two games. Note that this document was made specifically in response to Cryptozic's dismissal. Ramos fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Ramos posted:If you guys aren't sick of it yet, here's a minor update on legal stuff between Hex and Magic. The main thing to take away from this document is that Wizards isn't trying to claim that mechanics were stolen but instead saying that Magic in its entirety was taken and repurposed with the intent of making profit. There's sort of a weird incompetence theme going on with Wizards' argument, especially as someone "in the know" with MTGO. At this point, it seems like they're arguing that Cryptozoic are somehow so massively incompetent that they ripped off MTGO and its cards to make Hex, but didn't leave a paper trail proving otherwise. I guess they're trying to argue that Cryptozoic must have cheated their way to their design decisions, since it will be very difficult to field a properly informed jury  Also, I didn't see anyone mention it, but Spectral Lotus isn't even a ripoff of Black Lotus! It's way more like this stupid card than it is the OG black lotus, even if it doesn't add the fourth mana.
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Ramos posted:If you guys aren't sick of it yet, here's a minor update on legal stuff between Hex and Magic. The main thing to take away from this document is that Wizards isn't trying to claim that mechanics were stolen but instead saying that Magic in its entirety was taken and repurposed with the intent of making profit. I remember when I was a kid, during an American History unit about the Revolutionary War, our class wrote out our own Declaration in response to what we perceived as slavery-level homework assignments, lack of free time, etc. The authors tried making it sound all official and eloquent and present our grievances in a coherent, logical form. It came out sounding childish, bitchy, and laughably terrible. We got into quite a bit of trouble over some language that was edited after the fact by the two organizers. I'm not a lawyer, I don't know if they're in the right here or if Hex DID directly copy some code or something, but the thing you linked doesn't read like any other legal document I've ever seen. It reminds me painfully of that Declaration we wrote against homework as children. quote:"So identical are the Hex cards to the official Magic playing cards, both in their printed That just doesn't read like a formal, legal document being presented to a judge. In section I.C., they even say: quote:Nonetheless and without admitting any deficiency, plaintiff has filed, as a matter of right, That sounds a lot like, "We're not admitting the defendant was right, but we're now providing exactly what they said we didn't provide in the first place." My point being, I guess, gently caress the current interpretation and enforcement of US Copyright Law. EDIT: I tried going back to save a copy and it appears to be hosed up now 
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Holy poo poo, we've gotten so goony about this stupid lawsuit that people are nitpicking the language of the suit .
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Which lawyer is using strictly better language though?
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Which lawyer is using strictly better language though? Neither is using glorious nihongo.  edit: https://search.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/10864942 Also, there's a permanently working link. Ramos fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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