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Magus42: Jan 12, 2007; Oh no you di'n't

Denzine posted:

Immediately. Get Serration and Hornet Strike up to lv5 or lv6 asap, they are the best damage mods in the game. Max Split Chamber, Barrel Diffusion, and Lethal Torrent immediately afterwards. Slot them all.

Congrats, you now have 90% of the game covered. Max and slot elemental mods at your discretion/ability. Don't bother with "damaged" mods. Get in the clan and ask for copies of the above if you don't have them, or if you're not mastery2 yet, ask for EXP runs of Sechura or wherever.

Are Mastery ranks earned by a test that looks like a VR room?

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Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I actually went out to Eris to do a Defense. Thought it would be easy, me, the big bad Vortexing Vauban with some reasonably-slotted weapons, should be able to take on anything up to 30, right?

Wrong.

For one thing, if I wasn't standing on the opposite side of the room, right up against the pit, I couldn't keep my energy up because of the loving energy drain auras. And god forbid that anything should make its way down from the upper-right hand corner of the room, because that's gonna loving wreck anybody watching the pod too intently.

And melee? Forget it. I got in close to do a little work with a channeling-specced Dragon Nikana because I figured I'd just clear the Vortex out quickly with a few finishers. I wound up coming away with less energy than if I'd just thrown a few more Vortexes into the pit for the lulz, and less than half my remaining HP.

Next time, I bring my actual anti-Infested weapons with me.

Channeling on melee is like crit on pistols in that it is never, ever worth it.

and why would you try to melee as not-Rhino-or-Valkyr

# ? Aug 7, 2014 20:51

Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

What does channeling actually do?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 20:55

EroticBlacksmith: May 13, 2010

Magus42 posted:

Are Mastery ranks earned by a test that looks like a VR room?

Yes. Though to get to those test you need to get mastery by leveling up frames and weapons.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 20:55

LornMarkus: Nov 8, 2011

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I actually went out to Eris to do a Defense. Thought it would be easy, me, the big bad Vortexing Vauban with some reasonably-slotted weapons, should be able to take on anything up to 30, right?

Wrong.

For one thing, if I wasn't standing on the opposite side of the room, right up against the pit, I couldn't keep my energy up because of the loving energy drain auras. And god forbid that anything should make its way down from the upper-right hand corner of the room, because that's gonna loving wreck anybody watching the pod too intently.

And melee? Forget it. I got in close to do a little work with a channeling-specced Dragon Nikana because I figured I'd just clear the Vortex out quickly with a few finishers. I wound up coming away with less energy than if I'd just thrown a few more Vortexes into the pit for the lulz, and less than half my remaining HP.

Next time, I bring my actual anti-Infested weapons with me.

Make an Ignis, stick an Electric Mod on it. Won't help you as much as Gas with normal infested, but you'll rip the gently caress out of any Ancients. Also if I'm on, feel free to message me and I'll come along and give you a hand.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:06

victrix: Oct 30, 2007

Pendent posted:

What does channeling actually do?

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Melee_2.0#Channeling

Channeling in and of itself is basically just a damage bonus for holding your weapon and using your fancy melee stances, if you can spare the energy. Plus you glow. Glowing is cool.

The problem with channeling mods is, much like every other utility/non damage mod in the game, they take up slots occupied by other raw damage mods.

You can put together a channeling 'set' to reduce the cost of channeled attacks to 1 energy and add various damage bonuses and effects, but I'm not sure that doing so would make up for all the raw damage/element damage/status chance you would lose.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:10

CrashCat: Jan 10, 2003; another shit post

Pendent posted:

What does channeling actually do?

It uses 5 energy per enemy hit by melee but increases damage done by at least half, potentially much more with mods. However you can't do it with the quick-melee so forget it if you aren't planning to put your gun down. There are also some mods to add stuff like life steal when you are channeling. It looks like most of those make the channeling cost more to compensate.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Channeling#Channeling
http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Channeling_Mods

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:10

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

LornMarkus posted:

Make an Ignis, stick an Electric Mod on it. Won't help you as much as Gas with normal infested, but you'll rip the gently caress out of any Ancients. Also if I'm on, feel free to message me and I'll come along and give you a hand.

I appreciate the offer. I probably won't be able to take you up on it, though. I'm shepherding my own three little ducklings through Warframe as it is, and squad sizes being what they are...

Rest assured, next time, it won't go as badly. I'll have an Ogris.

Denzine posted:

why would you try to melee as not-Rhino-or-Valkyr

Because when I'm not shepherding a trio of ducklings that needed something or another that drops from Eris, I'm a Loki. Have always been a Loki. Since early beta. So you can sort of see why I'm kind of attatched to melee. Melee 2.0 was literally the worst thing ever for me.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Aug 7, 2014

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LornMarkus: Nov 8, 2011

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I appreciate the offer. I probably won't be able to take you up on it, though. I'm shepherding my own three little ducklings through Warframe as it is, and squad sizes being what they are...

Rest assured, next time, it won't go as badly. I'll have an Ogris.

Because when I'm not shepherding a trio of ducklings that needed something or another that drops from Eris, I'm a Loki. Have always been a Loki. Since early beta. So you can sort of see why I'm kind of attatched to melee. Melee 2.0 was literally the worst thing ever for me.

Ah, in that case I'll be happy to give you some mods either for yourself or to pass on. I've got gobs of basic but rare mods I'm happy to hand over if they still need them.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:40

Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Because when I'm not shepherding a trio of ducklings that needed something or another that drops from Eris, I'm a Loki. Have always been a Loki. Since early beta. So you can sort of see why I'm kind of attatched to melee. Melee 2.0 was literally the worst thing ever for me.

I was thinking more about toxic ancients, toxic eximus, and toxspreys. Do you have a Gram and Cleaving Whirlwind? 'Cause that's pretty much the best melee 2.0 thing if you don't have Brutal Tide.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:48

TheRationalRedditor: Jul 17, 2000; WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.

If you're being academic Dual Ichors with Swirling Tiger are still the overall best melee attack. There's a handful of fun viable options in any case.

victrix posted:

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Melee_2.0#Channeling

Channeling in and of itself is basically just a damage bonus for holding your weapon and using your fancy melee stances, if you can spare the energy. Plus you glow. Glowing is cool.

The problem with channeling mods is, much like every other utility/non damage mod in the game, they take up slots occupied by other raw damage mods.

You can put together a channeling 'set' to reduce the cost of channeled attacks to 1 energy and add various damage bonuses and effects, but I'm not sure that doing so would make up for all the raw damage/element damage/status chance you would lose.

This is why Focus Energy is part of essentially every good melee build. It's baller as gently caress

TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 7, 2014

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:19

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

Denzine posted:

I was thinking more about toxic ancients, toxic eximus, and toxspreys. Do you have a Gram and Cleaving Whirlwind? 'Cause that's pretty much the best melee 2.0 thing if you don't have Brutal Tide.

Yeah, I knew what you meant. Still doesn't make going invisible and turning anything that isn't a Toxic, Shock, or Leech Eximus into julienne fries any less fun than before though, which is why I still do it. Pre-Melee 2.0, I had a Galatine and five-digit charge attacks. These days, I'm sitting on a Dragon Nikana and Decisive Judgement until I can get the Dakra Prime and Crimson Dervish.

victrix posted:

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Melee_2.0#Channeling

Channeling in and of itself is basically just a damage bonus for holding your weapon and using your fancy melee stances, if you can spare the energy. Plus you glow. Glowing is cool.

The problem with channeling mods is, much like every other utility/non damage mod in the game, they take up slots occupied by other raw damage mods.

You can put together a channeling 'set' to reduce the cost of channeled attacks to 1 energy and add various damage bonuses and effects, but I'm not sure that doing so would make up for all the raw damage/element damage/status chance you would lose.

Here is what I have presently slotted:

Here is the build in Warframe Builder.

Here is what I would run if I were not running a Channeling build.

I agree that while the non-channeling build does have higher DPS, I lack Voltaic Strike and Fever Strike, as well as having anything better to place in place of Second Wind. At least with how I am set up now, I will gain Stamina with every swing, while maintaining a 1 Energy cost Channel.

Viral is slotted with the intent of rapidly bringing down max HP. Combined with the 400% melee damage bonus from invisibility, this makes short work of many things. It can't hurt you if it's dead, after all. Farming Life Strike may become a priority for me, if I wish to continue this against Toxic Eximus. Maybe Antitoxin as well. It wouldn't hurt if DE would release a mod that protected against Magnetic energy drain, either. (Also, I am distracted by shiny things and I like the weapon glow. ._.) (Also I know about the persistent weapon trail option, but do not like it) (Parenthetical abuse ahoy!)

Furthermore, what damage you see there may not accurately be reflected. There is a bug with Nikana stances that has a hotfix, but is not clear if it has been deployed yet. DERebecca was delightfully vague on when it would be hotfixed: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/222747-nikana-stance-combos-hitting-lower-than-initial-damage-bug-report/

EDIT: Tweaked non-channelling build. It is weird how lovely North Wind and Shocking Touch are compared to Molten Impact and Fever Strike.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Aug 8, 2014

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SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

Double post.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Aug 7, 2014

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Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

I have spare Cleaving Whirlwinds if you are in the PC clan. Also I can give you any Dakra Prime parts you're missing, I think. edit: yep got multiples of all its bits.

Denzine fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 8, 2014

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Zellyn: Sep 27, 2000; The way he truly is.

I could use a copy of the base blueprint if you've got one. Been sitting on like four different prime items that only need one more part. ~RNG~

e: Excellent, thanks.

Zellyn fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 8, 2014

# ? Aug 8, 2014 01:11

Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

Sure, what's your ingame name? Might have to do it tomorrow though. edit: done

Denzine fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Aug 8, 2014

# ? Aug 8, 2014 01:38

lewtt: Apr 2, 2011; The Great Twist

So who is in control of the dojo? I have some really great ideas on how to apply some feng shui to the door-blocking objects while really giving a sense of space. I also have a number of color palettes that would be great for a more french renaissance vibe, rather than the "we're a silver spaceship, in space" theme we have going.

Seriously though, we should really consolidate all these fish ponds into some sort of twisted elevator maze.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 02:38

Malachite_Dragon: Mar 31, 2010; Weaving Merry Christmas magic

lewtt posted:

So who is in control of the dojo?

Delphi and Denzine for the most part, though it's less "in control"and more "quick, let's toss more poo poo around while no one is looking"

# ? Aug 8, 2014 06:47

Magus42: Jan 12, 2007; Oh no you di'n't

EroticBlacksmith posted:

Yes. Though to get to those test you need to get mastery by leveling up frames and weapons.

Good, that means I've cleared one test - I saw a flashing white bar the other night and clicked it XD

# ? Aug 8, 2014 07:01

mrEkli: Feb 9, 2004; I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO8YzSVdx8M Wallrun test for Rank 7->8

Beaten like a G (complete idiot). I think the game took pity on me.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 07:11

Thundercloud: Mar 28, 2010; To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

I'll be on later and could use some help clearing up Uranus and Phobos (I've got a level 30 Rhino and level 30 Soma now so I can actually survive in the tougher planets).

I still suck, but I'm sucking less.

I still don't know how trading works and I need to sell 4 level 30 weapons to free up space.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 07:46

ullerrm: Dec 31, 2012; Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Thundercloud posted:

I'll be on later and could use some help clearing up Uranus and Phobos (I've got a level 30 Rhino and level 30 Soma now so I can actually survive in the tougher planets).

I still suck, but I'm sucking less.

I still don't know how trading works and I need to sell 4 level 30 weapons to free up space.

Never sell weapons. Other than the Braton Mk 1.

Figure out trading. Sell some prime parts to pubbies for 25-50 plat. (If you don't have any, group up with some Goons and do some Voids.) Buy more weapon slots.

Repeat until you're like me and simultaneously own every gun in the game, all at 30. (Because once you hit mastery 8, you'll have nothing better to do.)

# ? Aug 8, 2014 07:59

Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

ullerrm posted:

Never sell weapons. Other than the Braton Mk 1.

This is dumb. There are a lot of horrid weapons in the game you'll level to 30 then never ever use again ever because they are bad or unfun or bad and unfun and look ugly. The Braton is also a bad gun. Why have a Latron when you have a Latron Prime? Why keep a Gorgon if you don't like having to wait 3 hours while the piece of poo poo revs up?

Sell crap weapons or weapons you don't like. Potato and forma poo poo you love. Have fun doing backflips while gunning down hapless imaginary space men.

Thundercloud posted:

I still don't know how trading works and I need to sell 4 level 30 weapons to free up space.

Trading works by inviting someone to your Dojo (or them inviting you to theirs) and then hitting up a console to activate trading. You get X trades per day, X = your mastery rank, starting at mastery rank 2.

Sell your weapons by going into the menu -> equipment -> inventory -> weapons tab -> select crappy weapon -> sell button.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 09:13

Sandweed: Sep 7, 2006; All your friends are me.

Hey new people nobody cares if you are bad, when a mastery Rank 16 joins your Earth unlocking party he will not even care that you are hiding in a corner all match. He is there to show of his new Dog and make huge numbers. Seriously, unless we are doing T4 Survival, you don't even have to worry that much about your gear.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:30

Helter Skelter: Feb 10, 2004; BEARD OF HAVOC

Sandweed posted:

Hey new people nobody cares if you are bad, when a mastery Rank 16 joins your Earth unlocking party he will not even care that you are hiding in a corner all match. He is there to show of his new Dog and make huge numbers. Seriously, unless we are doing T4 Survival, you don't even have to worry that much about your gear.

Pretty much.

For me, since I pretty much have nothing but a couple dogs left to level unless I feel like slapping a forma in something, newbie escort runs are when I like to pull from my vast store of weapons nobody ever uses (since I have all of them).

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:54

Sprecherscrow: Dec 20, 2009

So a quick straw poll: When you're on your ship and you want to access the navigation/arsenal/foundry/market/mods/incubator do you use the pause menu or walk over to it?

# ? Aug 8, 2014 17:50

Ferrovanadium: Mar 22, 2013; APEX PREDATOR

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Sprecherscrow posted:

So a quick straw poll: When you're on your ship and you want to access the navigation/arsenal/foundry/market/mods/incubator do you use the pause menu or walk over to it?

I walk over to it because I'm a huge nerd and enjoy walking around the ship (I'd like it even more if Ordis and the radio thing would shut up)

# ? Aug 8, 2014 17:51

hooah: Feb 6, 2006; WTF?

YellerBill posted:

the radio thing would shut up)

I've seen people talking about this, but haven't heard it. Is its volume tied to the music volume?

# ? Aug 8, 2014 18:08

Ferrovanadium: Mar 22, 2013; APEX PREDATOR

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hooah posted:

I've seen people talking about this, but haven't heard it. Is its volume tied to the music volume?

I think it's the "transmissions" option in the audio menu, but adjusting that didn't seem to do much. I'll go see what turning it all the way off does.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 18:17

Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

Sprecherscrow posted:

So a quick straw poll: When you're on your ship and you want to access the navigation/arsenal/foundry/market/mods/incubator do you use the pause menu or walk over to it?

There is almost no difference in time spent between walking somewhere and using the ESC menu. In some cases, walking is actually faster.

All methods take longer than the old UI.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 18:20

tlarn: Mar 1, 2013; You see,
God doesn't help little frogs.

He helps people like me.

I slide and kickflip to everything when I want to move through my ship to the appropriate terminal. :krad:

# ? Aug 8, 2014 18:34

Sprecherscrow: Dec 20, 2009

Denzine posted:

There is almost no difference in time spent between walking somewhere and using the ESC menu. In some cases, walking is actually faster.

All methods take longer than the old UI.

I'm not asking which one is "better". I'm just curious what other people do. I kind of do a mix of both.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 19:05

Comte de Saint-Germain: Mar 26, 2001; Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.

I usually walk around the ship. The ship is really small and tenno are very fast, even in walk mode. Compare to the terrible captain's quarters in eve, where the avatar is locked into a glacially slow amble, and the whole level is the length of a football field.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 19:14

Fishstick: Jul 9, 2005; Does not require preheating

Navigation is p much the only time I walk, so I can see any alerts. The new ui is actually annoying when building new loadouts and having to switch between Arsenal, Mods and Foudry often.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 19:16

Ferrovanadium: Mar 22, 2013; APEX PREDATOR

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Fishstick posted:

Navigation is p much the only time I walk, so I can see any alerts. The new ui is actually annoying when building new loadouts and having to switch between Arsenal, Mods and Foudry often.

Having to switch from Arsenal to Mods is the part I hate. I don't check the Foundry often because most of what I build in there takes 24+ hours so that's not an issue for me.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 19:41

Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

Sprecherscrow posted:

I'm not asking which one is "better".

I said they're the same.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 19:58

Sprecherscrow: Dec 20, 2009

Denzine posted:

I said they're the same.

But which one do you like to do?

# ? Aug 8, 2014 20:16

Denzine: Sep 2, 2011; One time, I did a thing.

Neither but I usually walk because the menu nesting annoys me even more.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 21:04

Kyte: Nov 19, 2013; Never quacked for this

YellerBill posted:

Having to switch from Arsenal to Mods is the part I hate. I don't check the Foundry often because most of what I build in there takes 24+ hours so that's not an issue for me.

Isn't there a button to go from arsenal to mods? When you're picking out mods, at least.

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kafziel: Nov 11, 2009

Kyte posted:

Isn't there a button to go from arsenal to mods? When you're picking out mods, at least.

There is, but clicking it undoes any changes you've made to your mod layout.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 22:01

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