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glowing-fish posted:According to Ballotpedia, the one opinion poll on Oregon Measure 91 (Cannabis legalization) has the measure being ahead 51-41%, with 8% undecided. The last measure was horribly written, and would've created a nepotistic hugbox to oversee the legal marijuana industry. I need to read this one through, but as long as it doesn't pander to cronyism in terms of oversight then it should probably pass comfortably.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:The last measure was horribly written, and would've created a nepotistic hugbox to oversee the legal marijuana industry. I need to read this one through, but as long as it doesn't pander to cronyism in terms of oversight then it should probably pass comfortably. Yeah, I just read Measure 80 and it just didn't have an adequate system for marijuana legalization but this new measure looks to fix that and I will be shocked if it doesn't pass.
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Aug 7, 2014 01:56
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The guys behind 2012's Measure 80 were in the news a few months ago when they didn't pay the canvassers they hired for this year's attempt at a marijuana legalization initiative. Which also happened in 2012. Measure 80 was really bad, I just looked up an old post and the original site is now a parked domain but in Japanese. That's okay because here's another one (the ones from the State are in pdfs and aren't ocr'd). Here's some sentences they wanted to put into the Oregon Constitution: quote:George Washington grew cannabis for more than 30 years and, while he was President, said, “the artificial preparation of hemp is really a curiosity” and told his Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, that he was, “suggesting the policy of encouraging the growth of Hemp” quote:Thomas Jefferson invented a device to process cannabis, and cannabis fiber was used for most clothing and paper production until the invention of the cotton gin quote:Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania, who spoke at the U.S. Constitutional Convention in 1787 more than any other delegate and of whom James Madison said, “the style and finish of the Constitution properly belongs to the pen of Gouverneur Morris,” wrote a paper he sent to Thomas Jefferson called, “Notes Respecting Tobacco” that compared cannabis and tobacco and concluded that cannabis “is to be preferred” quote:Whereas the people hold that cannabis prohibition is a sumptuary law of a nature repugnant to our constitution’s framers and which is so unreasonable and liberticidal as to:
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Aug 7, 2014 03:55
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anthonypants posted:The guys behind 2012's Measure 80 were in the news a few months ago when they didn't pay the canvassers they hired for this year's attempt at a marijuana legalization initiative. Which also happened in 2012. Didn't the guy who ended up fronting the measure also have a fairly extensive criminal history? I remember there being a pretty reasonable 'smear' campaign behind Measure 80 simply because it was so terribly written.
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Schwack posted:Didn't the guy who ended up fronting the measure also have a fairly extensive criminal history? I remember there being a pretty reasonable 'smear' campaign behind Measure 80 simply because it was so terribly written.
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Aug 7, 2014 07:09
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Oregon's ACA healthcare exchange was a massive clusterfuck after it was rolled out, and we eventually dropped it this year in favor of using the federal exchange instead. If you haven't seen the video yet, John Oliver covered it on his HBO show. One of the things he made fun of was the twee garbage ads they made for Cover Oregon, and the advertising company hired to do those ads got really upset and responded in an open letter on their blog. Oregon placed the blame on Oracle, the organization the state health authority hired to build our exchange, and our governor told everyone a few months ago that we were probably going to sue them. Except today, Oracle sued Oregon. It doesn't help that Oregon was extremely loving stupid about this contract, but Oracle is a pretty incompetent organization so I'm having a really tough time picking a side here.
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anthonypants posted:Oregon's ACA healthcare exchange was a massive clusterfuck after it was rolled out, and we eventually dropped it this year in favor of using the federal exchange instead. If you haven't seen the video yet, John Oliver covered it on his HBO show. One of the things he made fun of was the twee garbage ads they made for Cover Oregon, and the advertising company hired to do those ads got really upset and responded in an open letter on their blog. John Oliver's rant really shows how none of the rest of the US really has any idea what Oregon actually is like, and just takes the usual half-assed route like Portlandia does. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 04:15
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Ardennes posted:John Oliver's rant really shows how none of the rest of the US really has any idea what Oregon actually is like, and just takes the usual half-assed route like Portlandia does.
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Aug 9, 2014 04:29
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anthonypants posted:Oregon's ACA healthcare exchange was a massive clusterfuck after it was rolled out, and we eventually dropped it this year in favor of using the federal exchange instead. If you haven't seen the video yet, John Oliver covered it on his HBO show. One of the things he made fun of was the twee garbage ads they made for Cover Oregon, and the advertising company hired to do those ads got really upset and responded in an open letter on their blog. There's a whole lot of butthurt in that open letter. The ad was twee bullshit asking for a parody. Edit: "But guuuuuys! We're spreading awaaaareness!!!" Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 04:39
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Ardennes posted:John Oliver's rant really shows how none of the rest of the US really has any idea what Oregon actually is like, and just takes the usual half-assed route like Portlandia does. Oregon: it's like Vermont, but warmer.
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Aug 9, 2014 04:43
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anthonypants posted:Oregon placed the blame on Oracle, the organization the state health authority hired to build our exchange, and our governor told everyone a few months ago that we were probably going to sue them. Except today, Oracle sued Oregon. It doesn't help that Oregon was extremely loving stupid about this contract, but Oracle is a pretty incompetent organization so I'm having a really tough time picking a side here. The side that isn't loving Oracle.
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Aug 9, 2014 04:48
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Ernie Muppari posted:The side that isn't loving Oracle. cowtown posted:
paragraph 16 posted:On September 18, 2013—mere days before the October 1 deadline—Cover Oregon’s Executive Director still had not grasped the deep substantive challenges to going live that his organization had created in the development process. He repeatedly conveyed concern about the "sizzle not the steak" of the massive IT project, as evidenced by a lengthy email he wrote to an Oracle consultant in which he described his desire to make the website look good, and apparently assumed the ongoing functional challenges would resolve themselves: anthonypants fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 04:52
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Is this going to affect people who are already enrolled?
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Thanatosian posted:Oregon: it's like Vermont, but warmer. and with fewer Massholes
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Aug 9, 2014 04:55
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Hedera Helix posted:Is this going to affect people who are already enrolled?
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Aug 9, 2014 04:57
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Oregon: Baja Washington.
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Aug 9, 2014 05:18
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anthonypants posted:Oregon's ACA healthcare exchange was a massive clusterfuck after it was rolled out, and we eventually dropped it this year in favor of using the federal exchange instead. If you haven't seen the video yet, John Oliver covered it on his HBO show. One of the things he made fun of was the twee garbage ads they made for Cover Oregon, and the advertising company hired to do those ads got really upset and responded in an open letter on their blog. God drat I loving hated those commercials. All I got from them was "LOOK HOW loving WHITE WE ARE".
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Aug 9, 2014 05:37
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Irradiation posted:God drat I loving hated those commercials. All I got from them was "LOOK HOW loving WHITE WE ARE". Well Oregonians are kinda racist...
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Aug 9, 2014 07:24
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effectual posted:Well Oregonians are kinda racist... You ban black people from the state for 13 measly years and you never hear the end of it.
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Aug 9, 2014 07:28
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effectual posted:Well Oregonians are kinda racist... Hey they took all African jigaboo-related imagery off of the Sambo's in Lincoln City. I mean it's still called Sambo's, but.
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Aug 9, 2014 07:36
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Ardennes posted:the usual half-assed route like Portlandia does. "The skinny hipster on a fixie eating at a food cart with a giant mustachio and one leg missing from his cool-guy jeans to permanently adjust for his bike chain is just paying dress-up right? ... RIGHT?" (That was Hawthorne.) quote:please send a written description of each change, including when you made it.
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Aug 9, 2014 08:29
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FRINGE posted:This always reeks of rear end-covering. HAHA! Your fault, our contract says so! No matter how we poo poo our pants its your fault!
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Aug 9, 2014 09:03
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anthonypants posted:That part's not, at least. If your job is to work on and maintain a thing, it makes your job incredibly difficult when someone comes in and fucks with it without telling you what they did. Keeping a record of the things you've done and the things you're planning to do is just good documentation. Documentation? Lol. Customers dont do that. :p
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Aug 9, 2014 09:10
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FRINGE posted:I thought that until I spent some time there and constantly thought I was standing in the middle of some kind of Portlandia candid-camera poo poo. That is pretty much Portland between 10th and 60th ish street south of Burnside and north of Powell with some expections. Go to Beaverton, Gresham, Canby much less Medford or even Lincoln City and you are going to get a very different perspective. The interesting part is why you never hear about the "other Oregon" but the people who live in a confined areas in one city.
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Aug 9, 2014 10:27
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Ardennes posted:That is pretty much Portland between 10th and 60th ish street south of Burnside and north of Powell with some expections. Go to Beaverton, Gresham, Canby much less Medford or even Lincoln City and you are going to get a very different perspective. The interesting part is why you never hear about the "other Oregon" but the people who live in a confined areas in one city.
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Aug 9, 2014 11:36
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FRINGE posted:Ive been to Beaverton. The first word that comes to mind is banal. Like it was fine, and nothing distinct comes to mind. Agreed. Those are some bizarrely specific choices for a bunch of places that aren't really all that distinctive or memorable, at least not in a way that would be worth defining them as the "other Oregon." I mean, Christ, Medford?
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I finally got around to applying for OHP a couple of days ago. Just so you know, the current system in place, for which we paid a quarter of a billion dollars, is a pdf form you have to print out and mail in.FRINGE posted:"The skinny hipster on a fixie eating at a food cart with a giant mustachio and one leg missing from his cool-guy jeans to permanently adjust for his bike chain is just paying dress-up right? ... RIGHT?" (That was Hawthorne.) "Man, that San Francisco is such a caricature, all I saw was hippie oogles in raver pants all over the place! (on lower Haight)" TheBalor posted:Agreed. Those are some bizarrely specific choices for a bunch of places that aren't really all that distinctive or memorable, at least not in a way that would be worth defining them as the "other Oregon." Gresham/Eastern Portland is fair, its still within the metro area but its got a vastly different feel and is much more culturally diverse. If you want really good Pho, you've got to go out past 60th. Medford though, gently caress I don't even know. Like, at least talk about Grants Pass or Hood River or Burns or something. Medford is like all of the worst places in the California central valley.
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Ardennes posted:That is pretty much Portland between 10th and 60th ish street south of Burnside and north of Powell with some expections. Have you never been to NE or NoPo?
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Man. I kind of hate Portlandia for that reason. It gets annoying when I go visit people in SC and they act like I've been living in a foreign culture. Or when people visit they see somebody who fits the stereotype and go "oh, that's so Portland." As if there aren't people like that everywhere to some degree. I mean, maybe it's because of the university, but I saw ironic mustaches and hipsters in Columbia, SC too. Even if you go to hawthorn 95% of the people you see aren't some stereotype. That said, I work out in McMinnville and it's night and day different than Portland. Like others said, Beaverton is just a generic American suburb, but once you get a bit into the willamette valley the character changes.
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xrunner posted:Man. I kind of hate Portlandia for that reason. It gets annoying when I go visit people in SC and they act like I've been living in a foreign culture. Or when people visit they see somebody who fits the stereotype and go "oh, that's so Portland." As if there aren't people like that everywhere to some degree. I mean, maybe it's because of the university, but I saw ironic mustaches and hipsters in Columbia, SC too. Even if you go to hawthorn 95% of the people you see aren't some stereotype. Friend of mine moved from PDX to NOLA and had people ask her "but why would you ever want to leave Portland?!" and tell her they were moving there as soon as they could. (there are actually jobs in Louisiana)
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Aug 9, 2014 19:21
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Chantilly Say posted:Friend of mine moved from PDX to NOLA and had people ask her "but why would you ever want to leave Portland?!" and tell her they were moving there as soon as they could. Yeah, I've lived in Oregon all my life and always thought Portland would be a beautiful place to live when I visit. But out of well over a dozen friends and acquaintances who made the pilgrimage up there after high school/college, only one has managed to get a decent job and not leave in debt-riddled disgrace.  Oh, and the guy who has millionaire power couple parents in Lake Oswego, but he was gonna "succeed" no matter where he went.
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Chantilly Say posted:Friend of mine moved from PDX to NOLA and had people ask her "but why would you ever want to leave Portland?!" and tell her they were moving there as soon as they could. Don't get me wrong. I love living in this town, but for reasons unrelated to "Oh my god, wacky crazy people doing weird stuff all the time." I don't know, I've been here for 5 years or so and there's a lot to like, especially if you have a good job and enjoy being outside between May and October. I mean, there are interesting differences between the south and out here, but for the most part people are still culturally the same as other parts of the country. Although, maybe if I ran with the 22 year old crowd my perspective would be different. Or maybe I'm just indoctrinated.
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I'm a native of Eugene, and am quite happy with it down here. Over the course of my life I've seen Portland get big and traffic-strangled to the point I'm no longer sure I'd want to live there. In the 1990s it seemed to be around a sweet-spot in terms of livability, at least in my perception of it, and it appears to have gone downhill from there.
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TheBalor posted:Yeah, I've lived in Oregon all my life and always thought Portland would be a beautiful place to live when I visit. But out of well over a dozen friends and acquaintances who made the pilgrimage up there after high school/college, only one has managed to get a decent job and not leave in debt-riddled disgrace. Jobs are a little harder to come by here than in other major cities but the flip side of that is that its a lot easier to get by with less. Its not like a sink or swim, hustle or die city like SF or NYC. One of the stereotypes about Portland that I've found to be true is that there are a lot of slackers working part time, under the table, or seasonal work just to cruise through (I'm one of these). Its pretty easy to do for the most part if you have any skills and/or contacts, although it is getting harder, at least if you want to live west of 40th
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Jobs are a little harder to come by here than in other major cities but the flip side of that is that its a lot easier to get by with less. Its not like a sink or swim, hustle or die city like SF or NYC. One of the stereotypes about Portland that I've found to be true is that there are a lot of slackers working part time, under the table, or seasonal work just to cruise through (I'm one of these). Its pretty easy to do for the most part if you have any skills and/or contacts, although it is getting harder, at least if you want to live west of 40th Although, I'm pretty sure that's going to change in the next ~10 years if the rapid gentrification of areas like SE and North continue. Portland's going to be a lot less attractive without a bunch of relatively cheap housing along major bus/train lines available for rent by groups of 20-somethings.
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Aug 9, 2014 20:47
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Ernie Muppari posted:Although, I'm pretty sure that's going to change in the next ~10 years if the rapid gentrification of areas like SE and North continue. Portland's going to be a lot less attractive without a bunch of relatively cheap housing along major bus/train lines available for rent by groups of 20-somethings. This is very true. And anti-development voices are starting to get louder. It's actually a tricky issue, too, because so much of the character around mt tabor is the old craftsman homes and yards. But it's also where people want to live. Expect rents and property values in that area to really go up in the next decade. Same with around Alberta. It's the new NW 21st.
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I wonder, would people be more amenable to infill apartments if they used different architectural styles than a lot of the things that were built within the past 10-15 years? Would it be possible for buildings to have more pleasant-looking exteriors without increasing construction costs too much, or is it not much of a factor? The answer is almost certainly that they wouldn't, because we must preserve the character of this neighborhood for rich people. 
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xrunner posted:This is very true. And anti-development voices are starting to get louder. It's actually a tricky issue, too, because so much of the character around mt tabor is the old craftsman homes and yards. But it's also where people want to live. Expect rents and property values in that area to really go up in the next decade. Same with around Alberta. It's the new NW 21st. On the plus side, my place is doing its part to keep those down.  Fer serious though, I'm almost certain that my place is getting sold to a company that'll replace it with an expensive quadruplex the moment my 70-something year old landlords kick the bucket.
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Ernie Muppari posted:On the plus side, my place is doing its part to keep those down. It's up or out. I hate to see the historic character go, but I don't want to end up like Seattle or SF either. I think there is a way to mix in higher density while keeping flavor. But yeah, rich people with money need things to stay the same. Look at the fit that got thrown over that house in NW a couple months ago (not that I support tearing down historic houses so that a rich person can have a big, modern house with a view, it just demonstrates the point). I heard something on OPB recently about expanding the urban growth boundary, but screw that. I posted this comment on their website and stand by it. "Cities should be cities, rural/wild places should be rural/wild, and suburbs shouldn't exist."
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FRINGE posted:Ive been to Beaverton. The first word that comes to mind is banal. Like it was fine, and nothing distinct comes to mind. Yeah my point, significant parts (maybe most) of the Portland metro area is a banal and mostly white (especially in Washington county but certainly not only in Washington county). quote:Agreed. Those are some bizarrely specific choices for a bunch of places that aren't really all that distinctive or memorable, at least not in a way that would be worth defining them as the "other Oregon." I am sorry but most of the other Oregon is not that memorable, it is a place that is there with limited employment opportunities and trees as long as you live in the western half of the state (limited employment opportunities and no trees in the east). Oregon isn't typified by Portlandia, hell not even Portland is. Most of Oregon sort of sits there, especially on the coast. I like those areas for what they are but you have to embrace the fact Oregon is really really not about central Portland. quote:Have you never been to NE or NoPo? Mississippi/Vancouver and Alberta are those "few other places" but there are still black residents trying to hold on around are generally invisible to anyone talking about "Portlandia" and have been quickly pushed out the last few years. Most of Northern Portland is in fact very working class especially along Lombard to the Port. Go west of the I-5 and it is going to be pretty working class, go east of 33th on Killingsworth and it is going to looking like an industrial section of Southern California. Hell many people consider 82nd street and Lents" out there". Then there are the immigrant communities no one really talks about, especially around 82nd which there is a big Chinese/Vietnamese community and around Lents where there is a loose Russian/Ukrainian community. So even if you talk about the SE, there is a lot more than the SE that has been "claimed" by those who live on Division. I don't even need to mention East Portland (the forgotten Portland) or Gresham. quote:I wonder, would people be more amenable to infill apartments if they used different architectural styles than a lot of the things that were built within the past 10-15 years? Would it be possible for buildings to have more pleasant-looking exteriors without increasing construction costs too much, or is it not much of a factor? To be honest most of the new apartments/condos I have seen in the NW and the SE look look like they were airdropped from somewhere in Southern California. Also you now have the ridiculous situation of large 4-5 story buildings looming over detached single family homes. It must suck to have lived in a neighborhood decades and then you got a bunch of apartments looking into your house/yard because the city decided to be ridiculous about zoning. Also the city is allowing them to build an apartment building right on top of that open space around the Burnside bridgehead right after they spent all that effort routing a bunch of traffic through there. Construction is going to probably clog up multiple main arteries and it will be a giant poo poo show for a while. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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