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amuayse posted:It bugs me because they're quite detatched from everyone else except for the very end. I really didn't like Yedan that much since he had little characterization other than being super devout to his sister.
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So I'm about a quarter of the way through The Bonehunters right now. I just read the scene where Apsalar meets with Paran for the first time (post Sorry). One thing that has really jumped out at me is how in Memories of Ice when Paran first is thinking about sanctioning the House of Chains, Hood and other gods are all so against him doing so, but it seems like everyone else (Quick Ben, Apsalar, and others) instantly understand why sanctioning it would obviously be the best choice. I guess it just shows who the ones who really understand what the deal is are.
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Holy_Zarquon posted:So I'm about a quarter of the way through The Bonehunters right now. I just read the scene where Apsalar meets with Paran for the first time (post Sorry). One thing that has really jumped out at me is how in Memories of Ice when Paran first is thinking about sanctioning the House of Chains, Hood and other gods are all so against him doing so, but it seems like everyone else (Quick Ben, Apsalar, and others) instantly understand why sanctioning it would obviously be the best choice. I guess it just shows who the ones who really understand what the deal is are. It's sort of the theme of the books that mortal humans (specifically Malazans) tend to be way smarter about those sort of things than the established gods and ascendants.
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ChickenWing posted:It's sort of the theme of the books that mortal humans (specifically Malazans) tend to be way smarter about those sort of things than the established gods and ascendants. I think I've picked up on that in other places too. Question about the end of House of Chains. (I've tried to answer questions for myself before and know way too much I shouldn't now.) What happened to the ghosts of the Bridgeburners after they ruined the Dogslayers? Technically, they've all ascended right? Are they still around in one warren or another?
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rejutka posted:Fret ye not; you will find out. I expected this answer, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't forgetting something from the end of the book.
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rejutka posted:Fret ye not; you will find out.
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I'm about halfway through Assail and I'm enjoying it so far. It's definitely an Esslemont book so far in plot and writing goes. I enjoyed Blood and Bone a great deal despite what I felt was an unsatisfying conclusion and so far Assail has been at least as good as that one. ICE learned some lessons from the Jacuruku characters he came up with; the new cast members in this one all either have interesting things to do or are hanging out with other interesting characters. Nobody is as bland as the random guys from Stoneweilder. Speaking of that one it's nice that the Assail plot adds some follow-up to the events at the end of Stoneweilder, which didn't make it into OST or B&B. I got a good laugh out of discovering early on that Kyle's birth name is Kylarral-Ten. ICE must have heard all the bitching over his too-normal name.
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The Ninth Layer posted:I'm about halfway through Assail and I'm enjoying it so far. Didn't even know it was out. Thanks! Ordered it a minute ago. Despite how much I bitch about ICE's writing, I can't get enough of this universe so I buy everything and read it all multiple times. VVV Yes, use spoilers please. Spermy Smurf fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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The Ninth Layer posted:I'm about halfway through Assail and I'm enjoying it so far. It's definitely an Esslemont book so far in plot and writing goes. I enjoyed Blood and Bone a great deal despite what I felt was an unsatisfying conclusion and so far Assail has been at least as good as that one. ICE learned some lessons from the Jacuruku characters he came up with; the new cast members in this one all either have interesting things to do or are hanging out with other interesting characters. Nobody is as bland as the random guys from Stoneweilder. Speaking of that one it's nice that the Assail plot adds some follow-up to the events at the end of Stoneweilder, which didn't make it into OST or B&B. Yeah I just finished it today. Mechanically, it's still a bit unbalanced with a fair amount of just travelling place to place. Other ICE hallmarks remain, like the semi-oblivious character (Jute) who represents the reader while the more knowledgeable characters are tightlipped. Cyclopean count: 0, Turgid count: 1  .I agree though that each of the storyline characters was interesting this time. I think I liked Orman's the most and Silverfox the least, and it was interesting seeing as each sort of retraced the steps of the previous on their way in. If I went to this straight from ICE she would be a letdown I think. I'm not sure how I feel about the conclusion to the arc. I felt the closure with Traveller was done very well in OST. The Guard ending was cool, but no payoff could cover the debt of what, 4 main books and many more tangential ones? Jethis, I don't know. I don't even want to talk about it for a while till more people are caught up.
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coyo7e posted:It's been a while but wasn't that in Dust of Dreams or something, when Whiskeyjack and the rest of the dead Bridgeburners roll into Dragnipur and bust it wide open? They show up before that, too. And after. Re: Assail - had it on my Kindle since it was released but haven't had time to read more than a few chapters, so I've got no opinions on the stories. The writing, however, seems to have taken a step back from B&B. Granted, still early - but there's a paragraph on the very first page that just made me face palm.
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Habibi posted:They show up before that, too. And after. Is he still doing that mysterious person for no good reason thing? That's incredibly irritating.
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I just finished TtH after not reading the series for quite a few months. I'm not good at paying attention while reading, so I'm often confused while reading. Anyways, I read the previews/reviews of the next two books and just wondered if everything else takes place on Lether and there is no more Durujistan and those characters. And last I remember reading (before starting TtH there were a bunch of people falling from space, what was that about?
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thylacine posted:I just finished TtH after not reading the series for quite a few months. I'm not good at paying attention while reading, so I'm often confused while reading. That's right. The last two books are basically the same overall plot but split over 2 books. Takes place mostly on the Letheras continent. Edit: And the people are the worshipers of the Crippled God from his realm if you mean the people in the jade interdimensional space Xachariah fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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thylacine posted:I just finished TtH after not reading the series for quite a few months. I'm not good at paying attention while reading, so I'm often confused while reading. The Darujhistan events are continued in Orb, Scepter, Throne, which you can read without being spoiled on the events in Dust of Dreams or The Crippled God. Erikson hints a few times that something is hidden within Darujhistan and that plotline is continued in Esslemont's book. OST also resolves what happens with Traveler, the fallen Moon's Spawn, and some of the living Bridgeburners. It's one of the better side-books Esslemont has written. ...Of course, then you'll be putting off the pure awesome that is DoD/TCG.
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I finally finished up TCG last night. Started back in January I believe. Easily the best series I have ever read. Leagues above anything else. Erikson is without a doubt the best writer in the genre. Definitely under appreciated I think. While I would have liked to see another chapter that wrapped some other plot lines up, I was happy with how things ended. The series kind of begs for a re-reading, so that should be interesting to do eventually. Would have liked more Hood biting people's faces off. Draconus beating the Errant to death and Mael exacting some vengence on Mallick Rel wouldn't have gone astray. RIP Stormy and Gesler. Was not expecting them to become so integral to everything. It was obvious they were important, but drat. Thank loving christ Tool / Hetan / Toc had a happy ending. God drat that was a brutal story line.
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rejutka posted:Is he still doing that mysterious person for no good reason thing? That's incredibly irritating. Arrgh, yes, biggest fantasy lit pet peeve. I feel like both ICE and Erikson do that a lot, and a slew of other fantasy authors. Drives me nuts. Even worse when it's a character who never shows up again after their mystery chapter. I hate feeling like I have to review the chapter I just read after being ~*shocked*~ by the reveal of mystery POV, just to have all the context. I appreciate GRRM and Brandon Sanderson for doing the opposite. "Wanna know who's seeing these things and having these thoughts? I named the chapter after them. You're welcome."
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I can't think of any Erikson mystery people whose mysteriousness wasn't either warranted or naturally revealed as part of the story. And Sanderson, yeah, the day he leaves anything to the imagination...
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So reading Forge of Darkness a couple of names I've remembered but don't remember what they did in the main series exactly, which might become a running theme. Endest Silann was the undead Tiste Edur who was a dragon that create the hounds of shadow right? also I remember Sukul Ankhadu and don't know why either. These are just how they were in the original series if anyone can refresh my memory
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Jose posted:So reading Forge of Darkness a couple of names I've remembered but don't remember what they did in the main series exactly, which might become a running theme. Endest Silann was the undead Tiste Edur who was a dragon that create the hounds of shadow right? also I remember Sukul Ankhadu and don't know why either. These are just how they were in the original series if anyone can refresh my memory Close. Endest waa the old Andii priest/ mage who helped rebridge the connection to KG and Mother Dark. The undead dragon guy you're thinking of is Kagamandra Tulas [Shorn]. Sukul was one of the sisters or daughters or whatever of Shadow, along with Menandore and that other one whose name escapes me. Habibi fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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I want to reread so badly... I just don't know if I can handle going through The Chained God again. Should I read the new stuff instead? How is the other author?
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Decent fantasy, nowhere near Erikson's level though. The series is definitely worth a reread, so much more will make sense to you (and then get disproved in FoD).
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The more I reread this series, the more I realize that Fiddler is my favourite protagonist ever, probably only tied by Kvothe from Name of the Wind.
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ChickenWing posted:The more I reread this series, the more I realize that Fiddler is my favourite protagonist ever, probably only tied by Kvothe from Name of the Wind.  I don't really want to get into an argument about nerd books, but this is probably the worst comparison I could ever think of.
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want to get a 2nd opinion on the ending of cracked pot trail. So the nememothanai were tricked into thinking that that Bauchelain and Korbal Broach were with them all along. Does anyone have an alternate take on that plot point? Still baffled by Arpo Relent, since he wasn't in the Healthy Dead short story, unless he's Invett Loath with massive brain damage and amnesia.
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Safety Factor posted:
I'm not comparing them, they just take top spots on my List Of Book Characters That I Think Are Pretty Okay.
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ChickenWing posted:I'm not comparing them, they just take top spots on my List Of Book Characters That I Think Are Pretty Okay. Ok then. Weird guy with bad opinions. Anyway, of the ICE books, do I just grab them in order of publication or what? I am considering a reread of the main series thanks to a long trip I'm taking, but if they're even halfway decent, and I don't have to keep weird numbering straight, I might just grab a handful of the ICE books onto my kindle and read those instead.
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Opal posted:What's weird about his opinion? Safety Factor posted:I don't really want to get into an argument about nerd books, Let's just not go there.
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nucleicmaxid posted:Anyway, of the ICE books, do I just grab them in order of publication or what? I am considering a reread of the main series thanks to a long trip I'm taking, but if they're even halfway decent, and I don't have to keep weird numbering straight, I might just grab a handful of the ICE books onto my kindle and read those instead.
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If you wanna do a reread and wanna read the ICE books, just read them all in this order. I read 'em like this for my first time through the series and found it pretty rewarding. I'd imagine it'd work even better as a reread, though. Some of the characters from the Erikson books who fall to the wayside have their story lines resumed in ICE's books. Erikson's books are much better at what they set out to do than ICE's, but if you're a fan of the setting you can't go wrong with ICE's entries, especially Orb Sceptre Throne.
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I got fed up with ASOIAF book 5 (gently caress that poo poo seriously, it's so god damned boring), and decided to pick up Gardens of the Moon on Kindle. Gonna start it this week, but I hope it scratches my itch for good sprawling fantasy!
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COOL CORN posted:I got fed up with ASOIAF book 5 (gently caress that poo poo seriously, it's so god damned boring), and decided to pick up Gardens of the Moon on Kindle. Gonna start it this week, but I hope it scratches my itch for good sprawling fantasy! It should, just remember that it gets way better after GotM.
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Okay, I need some clarification I think. (Mid-Bonehunters right now) Who is King of High House Chains? I thought the position was given to Kallor in MoI, but now I'm fairly sure it's Rhulad. What does that make Kallor then?
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Almost done with Deadhouse Gates, just hit the reveal that the Captain of the Ragstopper was Cartheron Crust. Jumping on the "Fiddler Rules!" train. This poo poo keeps getting better and better.
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Holy_Zarquon posted:Okay, I need some clarification I think. (Mid-Bonehunters right now) Kallor is the Reaver, I believe. Though someone might want to correct me if needed.
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Holy_Zarquon posted:Okay, I need some clarification I think. (Mid-Bonehunters right now) Don't take any of those positions too literally - they also shift rather dramatically, which I believe is what you're seeing there.
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tuluk posted:want to get a 2nd opinion on the ending of cracked pot trail. That's it. The entire book is an analogy for the relationship between the artist and the audience.
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