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TheModernAmerican posted:Again, the biggest problem of Season 1 is that I sympathized with the Equalists. Could you imagine being some farmer that moved to the city for a job but can't get one because you aren't a bender? You're supposed to think that their arguments have some merit even if their practices don't, that's why they dissolved the council at the end of S1.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 15:23 |
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computer parts posted:You're supposed to think that their arguments have some merit even if their practices don't, that's why they dissolved the council at the end of S1.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 15:40 |
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Decius posted:It is hard to imagine the Equalists gaining anything like a big foothold because of the simple fact that everyone's kid can potentially be a bender. It's easy to instill hate for a group that you can easily separate from the general population, but it is harder to do so if there is a good chance that you know someone or are related to someone who belongs to the group you are supposed to hate (see gay rights). That's what bugged me with all the Mutant hate by the population in the Marvel books. But it doesn't stop discrimination from still happening in the real world, as evidenced by your gays rights example. There's a reason there is a gay rights movement, and its not because everyone loved and accepted their gay kids immediately. Don't see it being that big of a stretch for an anti-bender movement from taking hold.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 15:57 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I heard the Mongols executed nobles and other respected men by breaking their backs. Wouldn't that just turn them into a paraplegic? They then left them out to die, I think.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 17:41 |
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hangedman1984 posted:But it doesn't stop discrimination from still happening in the real world, as evidenced by your gays rights example. There's a reason there is a gay rights movement, and its not because everyone loved and accepted their gay kids immediately. Don't see it being that big of a stretch for an anti-bender movement from taking hold. The difference is being gay doesn't immediately levitate you to the top; a bender kid kinda does.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 17:48 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:The difference is being gay doesn't immediately levitate you to the top; a bender kid kinda does. Except for Mako. And Bolin. And Katara.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 19:21 |
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deadicons posted:Except for Mako. And Bolin. And Katara. Of the power available to benders throughout the series, generally it's either power in combat or political power. It's never been associated with wealth
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 19:27 |
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Yeah, I don't think we've ever actually seen a legitimately wealthy bender who wasn't also some sort of monarch or criminal. Having the ability to bend doesn't seem to be as worthwhile from a financial aspect as being really good at growing cabbages and really lovely at making airships.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, I don't think we've ever actually seen a legitimately wealthy bender who wasn't also some sort of monarch or criminal. Having the ability to bend doesn't seem to be as worthwhile from a financial aspect as being really good at growing cabbages and really lovely at making airships. Long Feng was rich, but he might as well have been the monarch. Political power typically has a quantity of wealth associated with it in most societies.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 20:30 |
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Toph was rich, but only because her parents (non-benders, IIRC) were rich, so. I'm guessing Tahno was rich? He certainly seemed to be in a higher echelon of pro-bending success than Mako and Bolin, anyway. There's probably some other rich benders who aren't criminals, politicians, or royalty here and there just because there's been so many characters in the show in general, but it's pretty safe to say there's not much correlation between bending and wealth beyond the royal families that happen to be benders.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 20:37 |
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I also have to wonder how much of the population are technically "benders" but never actually learned how to use the bending arts.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 21:45 |
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It's a weird situation. We're shown with Wan and company that you don't really need all that much skill to sling fire around (probably why everyone's parents got killed by firebenders; much like a gun, it's lethal even in the hands of the unskilled). And airbenders can apparently kick up some pretty powerful winds with very little training (with cases like Daw even doing it accidentally and needing training in order to stop). But Katara struggled with waterbending before she found the scrolls and got tutored by Pakku. And I don't think we've ever seen an untrained earthbender. So it's kind of unclear how important the actual 'art' of bending is compared to just being born with the power.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:05 |
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Spergatory posted:It's a weird situation. We're shown with Wan and company that you don't really need all that much skill to sling fire around (probably why everyone's parents got killed by firebenders; much like a gun, it's lethal even in the hands of the unskilled). And airbenders can apparently kick up some pretty powerful winds with very little training (with cases like Daw even doing it accidentally and needing training in order to stop). But Katara struggled with waterbending before she found the scrolls and got tutored by Pakku. And I don't think we've ever seen an untrained earthbender. So it's kind of unclear how important the actual 'art' of bending is compared to just being born with the power. It depends what you mean by "trained"; earth benders probably have a hereditary aspect to it so they can learn father to son but I doubt most of the earthbenders outside of Ba Sing Se ever received formal training for their abilities.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:10 |
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Spergatory posted:And I don't think we've ever seen an untrained earthbender. So it's kind of unclear how important the actual 'art' of bending is compared to just being born with the power.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:19 |
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Spergatory posted:It's a weird situation. We're shown with Wan and company that you don't really need all that much skill to sling fire around (probably why everyone's parents got killed by firebenders; much like a gun, it's lethal even in the hands of the unskilled). And airbenders can apparently kick up some pretty powerful winds with very little training (with cases like Daw even doing it accidentally and needing training in order to stop). But Katara struggled with waterbending before she found the scrolls and got tutored by Pakku. And I don't think we've ever seen an untrained earthbender. So it's kind of unclear how important the actual 'art' of bending is compared to just being born with the power. We saw that Katara was able to kick up water just by being angry at Sokka. It seems like the ability to manipulate elemnets wildly is pretty easy, the ability to do it with useful control is hard.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:21 |
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Fried Chicken posted:There was the one from season 1, who is trying to teach himself in the gulley and gets arrested so they end up on the platform in the middle of the ocean where George takei is the warden Haru wasn't a pro but he clearly had the basic forms down, likely from being taught by his father before his imprisonment. I mean someone like Katara, who has no formal training at all at the start of the series and needed months of experimentation to get down even the basics. ImpAtom posted:We saw that Katara was able to kick up water just by being angry at Sokka. It seems like the ability to manipulate elemnets wildly is pretty easy, the ability to do it with useful control is hard. True. Katara's flailbending pretty much kickstarted the whole series. Sokka's sexism saved the world! In that case, it'd actually be in everyone's best interest to make sure all benders get trained, because uncontrolled bending would be insanely dangerous, especially in a city setting. Imagine some untrained pissed-off earthbender kid doing to a building what Katara did to that iceberg in the first episode.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:44 |
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I really liked that scene with the airbending farmer since he was an example of somebody who could bend but just wanted to live a life that had nothing to do with that.
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# ? Aug 11, 2014 23:47 |
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http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/94475287487/oh-my-god-i-just-found-out-my-dear-old-friend
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 00:57 |
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, I don't think we've ever actually seen a legitimately wealthy bender who wasn't also some sort of monarch or criminal. Having the ability to bend doesn't seem to be as worthwhile from a financial aspect as being really good at growing cabbages and really lovely at making airships. At the end of the day bending is either physical labor or outright fighting, and typically takes long training as well. Both are things you can make a reliable living at and can be exceedingly useful with, but pretty unlikely on their own to make you all that wealthy. Outside of crime or military conquest, being a sports star sounds like about the only route, and Pro Bending at least doesn't seem to pay all that well unless you're really on top.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 01:25 |
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ImpAtom posted:http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/94475287487/oh-my-god-i-just-found-out-my-dear-old-friend Dante Basco's words on the passing of Robin Williams But, to keep to the thread topic, here's an interview with Janet Varney and David Faustino posted today.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 01:40 |
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ImpAtom posted:http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/94475287487/oh-my-god-i-just-found-out-my-dear-old-friend Peter Pan was taken down.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 01:41 |
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Killer robot posted:At the end of the day bending is either physical labor or outright fighting, and typically takes long training as well. Both are things you can make a reliable living at and can be exceedingly useful with, but pretty unlikely on their own to make you all that wealthy. Outside of crime or military conquest, being a sports star sounds like about the only route, and Pro Bending at least doesn't seem to pay all that well unless you're really on top. I think Bolin and Mako were kind of in a uniquely lovely situation. The owner was clearly exploiting them, but it's not like he had barracks where he forced all of his debt-enslaved pro benders to live. Probably he saw they had talent, advanced them the considerable sums of cash needed to buy equipment, then charged them ruinous interest.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 01:41 |
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ImpAtom posted:http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/94475287487/oh-my-god-i-just-found-out-my-dear-old-friend I learned that today from Bryan's memorial post to Robin Williams.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 13:28 |
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Tezzor posted:AVClub can't stop bitching about Rollins' performance but I think it is perfect. Yeah, I really don't get where that guy's coming from (and most of AV Club's commenters don't seem to either). Some of the dialogue written for him could use some work (as has been discussed), but I've overall been impressed with his delivery. Just saw the last two episodes. I don't think I've ever been as excited to see where things are going, between LOK and ATLA, as I am now. And to all those people saying Zaheer and company will get defeated by this season's end, you shut your filthy mouths. I can't get enough of these guys, and I might just want to see an Azula-in-ATLA-season-2-style bad guy victory to close this out before the story resumes in season 4. And if they could throw in a short focusing entirely on them and their interactions with one another behind the scenes, that would make my whole year.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 16:27 |
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quote:It depends what you mean by "trained"; earth benders probably have a hereditary aspect to it so they can learn father to son but I doubt most of the earthbenders outside of Ba Sing Se ever received formal training for their abilities. Actually we saw in the first series in Toph's hometown there were Earthbending Dojos that you can join to learn/refine earthbending. The hereditary aspects of bending intrigues me. Genetics obviously plan some part but we've seen benders give birth to non-benders, a set of identical twins where one can bend and one can't, and other weird situations. I wonder if it could have been possible for one of Tenzin's kids to be a waterbender since his mother was. To me it would make more sense for everyone in the world to be able to bend but most can only do it a very little bit, and only by a lot of training (or being a prodigy, as so many are in this series) could you really pull off bending. But that would have completly negated the Equalist storyline so...
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 17:28 |
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King of Foolians posted:a set of identical twins where one can bend and one can't Who was this? I can't recall this example.
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 17:33 |
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thexerox123 posted:Who was this? I can't recall this example. It's the The Fortune Teller episodeof AtLA
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# ? Aug 12, 2014 17:51 |
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Texasbending SpiderHyphenMan posted:Zelda Williams played a guard this season of Korra. Was it that one Zaofu guard who had a (comparative) bunch of speaking lines when the Red Lotus attacked? I actually thought she was the mole before Aiwei was sussed out.
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# ? Aug 14, 2014 23:06 |
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Level Slide posted:
They bend bullets with freedom.
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# ? Aug 14, 2014 23:23 |
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# ? Aug 14, 2014 23:26 |
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Level Slide posted:
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# ? Aug 14, 2014 23:35 |
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Florida should also be Water Tribe
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:04 |
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Level Slide posted:
This would be better if the regions actually mapped politically with the labelled Avatar nations. That being said, the brown region is the only correctly labelled one.
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:09 |
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Potsticker posted:This would be better if the regions actually mapped politically with the labelled Avatar nations. That being said, the brown region is the only correctly labelled one. The Free [United] Republic: There is always more and it is always worse
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:11 |
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Shouldn't the earth kingdom be more centrally located and bigger?
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:52 |
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Babygravy posted:Shouldn't the earth kingdom be more centrally located and bigger? Perhaps, but west coast = earthquakes & desert so its earth kingdom in my headcannon now.
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:56 |
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Also, Hawaii should probably be either Water or Fire.
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 00:59 |
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Alaska should be Water Tribe because there are actual Inuit people there. Make Hawaii the spirit world.
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# ? Aug 15, 2014 01:10 |
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Alaska should be Water Tribe because there are actual Inuit people there. Make Hawaii the spirit world.
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Air nation above the Rockies?
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