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HEY GAL posted:What do y'all do about ankle pain? Should I ask the martial arts thread?
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HEY GAL posted:What do y'all do about ankle pain? Should I ask the martial arts thread? Completely do ask in the martial arts thread, those guys are great. But absolutely don't go regularly doing the thing that makes your ankle hurt, if that's swinging a pike around, give it a rest until your ankle is 100% again. Trust me, I have ankle trouble and I do a lot of martial arts and running, if it's hurting I cut everything for at least a week.
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Jul 31, 2014 10:44
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Namarrgon posted:In the last hundred years the relationship between West and Eastern Europe has been strained. The World Wars, the Cold War and now the situation in Ukraine is not helping. In the medieval period there wasn't a huge amound of cross-continental interaction, and 90% of what was there was trade. Kievan Rus, as mentioned, did maintain ties with the West, but it was focused primarily on the Byzantines because that's where the natural river routes took them. Mostly you'd have German Hanseatic merchants making the Novgorod circuit as the sheer distances involved and a lack of infrastructure prevented much overland travel. There are no records of, say, Polish-Iberian interactions that I know of prior to the Jagiellonian Renaissance. A testament to how isolated the region was in the 14th century is the relatively small impact of the Black Death: in Russia, only the largest cities suffered, and Poland was skipped almost entirely. The HRE, on the other hand, was a HUGE influence. IMO the most significant high medieval process that took place between Western Europe and the Slavic world, in terms of later historical baggage, was the German colonization, aka Ostsiedlung. Basically, during the High Middle Ages, Eastern Europe was largely super rural and sparsely populated, and pretty much the frontier of Christendom. Poland was splintered into bickering petty duchies engaged in what historians refer to as "some serious Game of Thrones poo poo", Lithuania and the Baltic region was still mostly pagan forest  , and Rus' was first declining and then, y'know, Mongols.Meanwhile the Empire was slowly drifting away from hardcore serfdom and had too many people wanting to be burghers and not enough land, so thousands of enterprising German-speaking merchants settled cities along the Polish border and the Baltic coast. This was convenient for local rulers, who wanted the tax and trade income cities gave, but didn't want to invest the money or give peasants too many ideas about social mobility; it was easier to just charter a piece of land and let a bunch of skilled foreigners move in and mostly govern themselves. In the pagan north, where Christians weren't welcome, the Teutonic Knights cleared the territory by military means. As a consequence, a huge proportion of burghers across Eastern Europe would be German speakers for hundreds of years on, while very little indigenous urban culture developed. And as always when class divides correspond to ethnic divides, this sowed the seeds of both rich cultural exchange and recurrent ethnic conflict until the expulsion of Germans after WW2. Later on nationalist historians on all sides would try to reinterpret the Ostsiedlung in various ways, but that's a REALLY deep rabbit hole.
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Jul 31, 2014 10:47
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Nektu posted:Find out where it comes from? Ask your trainer about bad posture or technique you may have. Or maybe its just that you were a bit exessive in your training and your body needs time to adjust (so go at it a bit slower for now). If it persists for a longer time you should propably consult a doctor or get a second opinion about the whole "bad posture or technique" thing. Rabhadh posted:Completely do ask in the martial arts thread, those guys are great. But absolutely don't go regularly doing the thing that makes your ankle hurt, if that's swinging a pike around, give it a rest until your ankle is 100% again. Trust me, I have ankle trouble and I do a lot of martial arts and running, if it's hurting I cut everything for at least a week. I know my posture's bad, I'll take extra care next weekend. Edit: And "trainer" implies something a lot more...dignified than what's going on here. Think "a bunch of guys" instead. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 10:51
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HEY GAL posted:It's more like an ache than like the feeling of an injury. Rabadh, I think that's good advice but there's a baseline of activity that I can never stop doing, because I have a backpack full of books and no car. I end up walking at least an hour a day carrying heavy poo poo just in my daily life. If you dont really have a qualified trainer to check your technique, I would suggest that you find one if it turns out that HEMA practice is the source for those pains. Maybe go to a weekend seminar or something that has more qualified people and ask those? Or maybe a physical therapist can give suggestions?
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Jul 31, 2014 11:09
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Have you tried a different pair of shoes? I understand you must look the part during reenactment but a good pair of shoes can make a world of difference. Even if it is only when you're walking through town correct fitting, comfortable shoes can make a huge change in how you feel. I am on my feet 10 to 12 hours a day on concrete floors in a factory and crappy shoes mean I will be in pain no matter what. Spend the extra money on good shoes, they're worth it. Flooger fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 12:06
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HEY GAL posted:It's more like an ache than like the feeling of an injury. Rabadh, I think that's good advice but there's a baseline of activity that I can never stop doing, because I have a backpack full of books and no car. I end up walking at least an hour a day carrying heavy poo poo just in my daily life. You didn't say if you warm up and prepare properly. When you train striking arts like Muay Thai or Taekwondo, the training usually starts with mobilizing joints followed by circular training, after that: light stretching. This goes for like 15mins. Depending what's on the program, there's also stretching routnes of different intensity. http://www.muaythaistuff.com/learn-muay-thai/basic-techniques/muay_thai_basic_warm_up/?gclid=CKP6roe3778CFVHKtAodBlcAiw If you're in a hurry, you do the joints warm up like described on that site (in German it's called "mobilisieren", it always comes before you start anything dynamic), each routine 20x. After that do as many burpees as you can. 30 should be enough for the beginning. We always did these routines for stretching, but you need to be warmed up by then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VK5txTX6hw Now that I think of it, I also had problems with the ankle. It often felt like sprained. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 12:39
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So I'm going to Tristan Zukowski's longsword class tomorrow, I think there's at least one goon who trains there. Anything I should know going in as a total HEMA noob?
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Aug 1, 2014 00:18
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P-Mack posted:So I'm going to Tristan Zukowski's longsword class tomorrow, I think there's at least one goon who trains there. Anything I should know going in as a total HEMA noob? Aside from that, just jump in and go have fun. If it's a basic course, they'll explain everything you need to know.
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Aug 1, 2014 04:37
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P-Mack posted:So I'm going to Tristan Zukowski's longsword class tomorrow, I think there's at least one goon who trains there. Anything I should know going in as a total HEMA noob? Tristan is a cool dude? I don't get to go as much as I like because of work, but I really like it : Dirty Job's the hardcore guy. (Who I still owe a beer.)
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Aug 1, 2014 06:02
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P-Mack posted:So I'm going to Tristan Zukowski's longsword class tomorrow, I think there's at least one goon who trains there. Anything I should know going in as a total HEMA noob? I'll be there to help out with the beginner's class. I'll be wearing a bandana and black/red adidas shoes, so feel free to give me a nod. I'll help you out when I can. The beginners classes are pretty simple, and mostly deal with basic footwork, cuts, and stances. A few things to think about body mechanics wise (that I see a lot of beginner students having issues with) are: -Don't lean. Keep your back straight and your shoulders steady and relaxed when swinging. The only movement of your upper body should be turning the hips slightly in the general direction of your swing. -Extend your arms when you swing. Get full extension but don't lock your elbows. -When finishing a swing (unless Tristan says otherwise) make sure that the point of your sword ends facing your opponent (in your case, probably your reflection). This way you're practicing proper form and good mechanics right from the start. If you want, beginner students are usually invited to watch the intermediate classes where we typically do sword on sword contact and more intense drilling. Other than that, Tristan is just coming back from a tournament in Mexico where he won 3rd place in Sword and Buckler and apparently won some kind of fun king of the hill style tournament where the king of the hill is chained to a rock. He might be a bit tired and banged up, but he's seriously an excellent teacher and a pretty rad guy. I look forward to seeing you there! My name is John by the way, so feel free to call out for me. Xiahou Dun posted:Tristan is a cool dude? Formerly Dirty Job, now Verisimilidude.
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Aug 1, 2014 14:53
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Any good materials that are devoted specifically to historical trials by combat?
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Aug 1, 2014 16:45
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Alan Smithee posted:Any good materials that are devoted specifically to historical trials by combat? You can check out The Last Duel by Eric Jager. Someone else suggested Bryson's papers on the XVIth century Italian duel, which are apparently freely available on the internet. For a more recent take, you can check out Tom Leoni's work. There's also this wiki article Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Aug 1, 2014 |
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Aug 1, 2014 19:14
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Alan Smithee posted:Any good materials that are devoted specifically to historical trials by combat? Rob someone in England to find out
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Aug 1, 2014 19:29
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Verisimilidude posted:You can check out The Last Duel by Eric Jager. The description of the 'last' duel itself reads like something out a comic. If it were put to film I bet people would be lamenting how outrageously unreal the whole thing was. Dudes in plate taking a running leap off a falling/dying horse as it comes crashing to the ground are but one of the many images I can't reconcile.
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Aug 1, 2014 20:07
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Verisimilidude posted:I'll be there to help out with the beginner's class. I'll be wearing a bandana and black/red adidas shoes, so feel free to give me a nod. I'll help you out when I can. Pretty sure I screwed up all of these today, but I had a great time and I'll keep at it. Had to run off and meet my wife for dinner tonight, but I'll definitely stick around next time to watch the intermediate class. I'll also be sure to check out The Last Duel when I get a chance. It sounds like it touches on some of the same themes as Strange Histories with respect to how medieval people were every bit as logical and reasonable as those today, but reasoning from some very different starting assumptions.
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Aug 2, 2014 03:53
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P-Mack posted:Pretty sure I screwed up all of these today, but I had a great time and I'll keep at it. Had to run off and meet my wife for dinner tonight, but I'll definitely stick around next time to watch the intermediate class. I'm glad you liked it! You did very well, especially for a first timer. My rapier teacher says that weapons based martial arts aren't natural, so they will feel awkward as you learn them. If you have the time, and a hammer or broomstick on hand, you can practice the techniques at home (just don't break your light fixtures...like I did). Just make sure that when you practice, you try to make as perfect a cut as possible (keeping all the things you learned into consideration). This may mean doing only 3 cuts at a time before taking a break, but this way you're ingraining yourself with good body mechanics. Plus you get to take a lot of breaks!
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Aug 2, 2014 15:07
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So I'm hanging out at a reenactment this weekend with some English dude who usually fights with the Dutch, and in swaggers this guy in black and gold, huge hat, lace everywhere (he told me later that he based his clothing on a picture of Piccolomini; "Piccolomini has a lot more money than either of us," I said) and he looked straight at me and said "I'm a fencing master. Do you need a fencing master?" "Yeah sure I guess," I said. And that was how I promised to learn how to fence, beginning next weekend. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 10, 2014 |
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Aug 10, 2014 21:05
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Sounds like a script for a porn scene tbh. What will happen will happen.
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Aug 11, 2014 19:02
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HEY GAL posted:So I'm hanging out at a reenactment this weekend with some English dude who usually fights with the Dutch, and in swaggers this guy in black and gold, huge hat, lace everywhere (he told me later that he based his clothing on a picture of Piccolomini; "Piccolomini has a lot more money than either of us," I said) and he looked straight at me and said "I'm a fencing master. Do you need a fencing master?" Any specific style of fencing?
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Aug 11, 2014 19:05
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Any specific style of fencing?
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Aug 11, 2014 19:13
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HEY GAL posted:No, but he says he knows a bunch of them. His entire arms are covered in hair-thin scars, incidentally. Cool, in my nerdiest moods I have looked for HEMA groups in my area but the only ones i found meet in a dudes basement and back yard and I can imagine what that is like.
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Aug 11, 2014 19:19
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Cool, in my nerdiest moods I have looked for HEMA groups in my area but the only ones i found meet in a dudes basement and back yard and I can imagine what that is like.
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Aug 11, 2014 19:25
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HEY GAL posted:None of this is HEMA or ARMA, to my knowledge; it's just a bunch of autodidacts loving around with poo poo. AFAIK that's mostly how HEMA and poo poo started they just needed to codify some of it once they started having enough people to do tournaments. I mean the old treatises are available for anyone to learn from and interpret.
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Aug 11, 2014 19:27
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Also, at some point this weekend I swear to God I caught a fifer playing a little piece from "Seven Nation Army." Edit: The drums and music trend very young, which is probably why. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 19:31
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HEY GAL posted:No, but he says he knows a bunch of them. His entire arms are covered in hair-thin scars, incidentally. Do you know his name? Is he known outside the described circle of friends you referenced? It sounds like he's possibly played with sharps if he's covered in scars, in which case he's probably got some interesting insight.
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Aug 12, 2014 17:29
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DandyLion posted:Do you know his name? Is he known outside the described circle of friends you referenced? It sounds like he's possibly played with sharps if he's covered in scars, in which case he's probably got some interesting insight. Edit: Actually, I kind of need this, considering as it stands now if I get separated from everyone else anyone can ruin my day by stepping slightly to one side and walking towards me. I love pikes, but eesh we are pretty useless sometimes. (In real life I'd shorten it, but during a reenactment that's too likely to hit the guy behind me in the head or mouth. There's actually a lot of things I never get to do, because there's no way to make them safe.) Edit 2: Remember when I said that the pike is a far handier weapon than most people think it was? In an ideal world I'd know how to do this:   
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Aug 12, 2014 17:31
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Remove the weapons and you have the dance steps to a MC Hammer music video.
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Aug 12, 2014 19:54
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156 is my favorite
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Aug 12, 2014 20:00
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More pictures, and of course the book they came from, here. Note to the lover of the noble art of pike handling: these exercises will make you more agile and healthier!  Please Work Out
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Aug 12, 2014 20:45
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Why are the Latin words printed in a different font?
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Aug 12, 2014 21:35
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deadking posted:Why are the Latin words printed in a different font? HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 21:41
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deadking posted:Why are the Latin words printed in a different font?
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Aug 12, 2014 21:42
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tonberrytoby posted:Yes, I too wonder why the Latin words are printed in a Latina font while the German words are printed in a German font.
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Aug 12, 2014 21:49
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WoodrowSkillson posted:156 is my favorite He's doing the I can't hear you over the sound of my gaudy clothing
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Aug 12, 2014 23:04
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Such a fan of their sassy little hats.
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Aug 12, 2014 23:16
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WoodrowSkillson posted:AFAIK that's mostly how HEMA and poo poo started they just needed to codify some of it once they started having enough people to do tournaments. There is a bit of a divide that I'm learning about between "classical/historical fencing" and "HEMA/WMA", which is that HEMA/WMA (at least, in my experience) has a tendency to want to stay as close to the source material as possible, while classical/historical fencing wants to teach you how to fence in the best way possible. For example, we learn specifically Lichtenauer German longsword (roughly 15th century) at Sword Class NYC. We throw in some refined techniques, but they ultimately fall under the blanket of Lichtenauer's teachings. The Martinez Academy of Arms teaches "Italian rapier". No names, no dates, no specific treatises or manuals. Just the all encompassing "Italian rapier" form, which borrows from all of these different sources and maximizes itself to produce the strongest fencer. As someone who has read several Italian treatises (Giganti and Capo Ferro to name a few masters) it's really surprising to see what is and isn't used, and furthermore how we ignore diagrams and artwork which show forms/stances/footwork/etc. that are considered weaker than more modern forms. For instance, in Cappo Ferro manuals you'll see the fencers standing with incredibly wide stances and with a considerable lean towards their opponents, off hands forward and out, while in Giganti manuals you'll see fencers leaning backwards with very small stances, off hands low and flat. We're not sure which (if any) of these are artistic license, but from historical reports and from the tradition that has been passed on by living classical fencers (my maestro's teachers, for example) the "real and best" way to fence is very different from what was prescribed by the treatises. Leaning in either direction is considered bad form, and you want your legs to be closer than Cappo Ferro's art, but further than Giganti's. Lean backwards and you shorten your range, but lean forward and you make your head an easier target. HEY GAL posted:Such a fan of their sassy little hats. I'm a fan of their pantaloons. Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 00:21
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Verisimilidude posted:I'm a fan of their pantaloons.
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Aug 13, 2014 00:55
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HEY GAL posted:More pictures, and of course the book they came from, here. I read what's on the page and it almost made my head explode. How did real people speak at this time? "An den künftigen/günstigen(?!?) der edlen Piquen Handlung". So that's fitness drills with pike and sword? Speaking of fitness, I talked to a few people and thought of getting wooden clubs. Does anyone of you use meels? Might be interesting for one or the other of you: updates on bowmaking  Sometimes one step forward uncovers that you need to take 5 steps back. I can't recall where I read it, but I think it was in Mustafa Kani's book, where it is stated that bowmaking is essentially the art of gluing. So far this isn't what people nowaydays associate with bowmaking at all. What I learned in the meantime is, that alot of techniques survived in instrument making. If I ever get the chance to speak to a violin maker, this would be a gift of the gods. Why am I speaking of gluing? Well, the core above is flawed. There's little air bubbles in the wood/horn glueline. I have to soak it apart and glue it up again. Why are there air bubbles, especially when I did everything by the book? After researching and talking to a bunch of fellow composite bowmakers, a few bubbles are always there in one for or the other, but they should be barely visible or better not there at all.  To spare you alot of variables that can also cause bubbles, let me tell you what's wrong. The loving brush. If you use a glue brush, like the ones that are sold for luthiers (I have this one), they are meant for the application of a little glue. Not the mass that you need to cover a whole limb. So you dip it in, and dip it in. Every time you dip, you put air bubbles into the relatively thick glue. This process needs to be done very quickly, you tend to overlook things. Either you can use a lower concentration of glue (you need a 20-35% solution), use force to brush it on (doesn't work 100%), or you need a looong brush that takes alot of glue, so that you dip it once and let it rest, because that also gets rid of the bubbles. I got a video of a korean bowyer who uses just one like I just described. In the old manuals, nobody ever mentioned special brushes. Other special tools are on display in museums. Apparently, it was such a common sense tool to use for the task, that there's no need to mention it. And that's the story how I bought a bunch of horse hair. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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JaucheCharly posted:I read what's on the page and it almost made my head explode. How did real people speak at this time? "An den künftigen/günstigen(?!?) der edlen Piquen Handlung". So that's fitness drills with pike and sword? Speaking of fitness, I talked to a few people and thought of getting wooden clubs. Does anyone of you use meels? Not meels but I home made a gada several months ago and it's awesome.
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