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Seravadon posted:Also since this is a fan made game it only makes sense that there is a fan made guide.
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Hirayuki posted:Fan-translated, you mean, not fan-made. (The guide is excellent.) Yes, that is what I meant. Woops.
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Raitzeno posted:I find it odd that a small, tight-knit community somehow has a place in it for a master thief and his lazybones apprentice/son. Why do they even call him a thief? Has he stolen a bunch of poo poo in the past? If so, why the hell is everyone so cheerful about having him around? Seeing as they don't have money and everything is shared I'm not even sure they can actually steal anything. Maybe they don't actually know what a thief does but just assume that they're some sort of super hero like Batman.
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It's like a ninja that doesn't wear a costume.
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Glad you're doing an LP of this game, I've played this myself all the way to the end a few years back. It was quite an engaging experience, good times and bad times were had. Mother 3 doesn't hold back on how dark it's going to be, after seeing Flint breaking down after hear the news... 
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Is it me, or does Claus seem like he wanted to be the one to take that fang?
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I'm pretty sure the point of that "got a fang, will make a great weapon" was to get the PLAYER excited about the news. Put the player in a really positive emotional state, then break their heart.
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Nagna Zul posted:I'm pretty sure the point of that "got a fang, will make a great weapon" was to get the PLAYER excited about the news. Put the player in a really positive emotional state, then break their heart. It worked on me. I was all like "sweet I'm gonna do some much damage.... "
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There's a reason why people cry because of this game. It's mostly end-game stuff, but drat, THIS is what happens when a developer actually puts LOVE AND CARE into their work.
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     The first two games were dark at times, and even featured a couple of character deaths, but they certainly never went to this extreme.  Hinawa's death, though heavily foreshadowed, still comes out of nowhere simply based on the previous games and the light-hearted romp of the earlier part of the game. It bites even harder witnessing this after Flint gave his all for his friends during the forest fire.  Hinawa's death is big, but as others have mentioned, it's Flint's reaction that really gets to you. He completely loses it, unable to handle the loss of his wife in a town unaccustomed to death and sadness.  Itoi said he got big reactions from people who named Hinawa after their own mothers. Plus, it's kind of a big deal in a game series called Mother when a mother actually dies.   And of course it's going to be hard for the children, especially Lucas who is obviously shy and timid, relying heavily on his mother for comfort and guidance.   Flint must have a lot of guilt too, choosing to stay home rather than join Hinawa and the kids to her father's place. If only he'd been there...  But it's too late to change any of that now. Hinawa is dead, and we have to live with the lot we're given.   Remember, no crying until the end. I can't promise you it'll be easy.     You have the honor of being the first. You gave Ollie and Abbot a real walloping, but they're alright now.Though it may not seem like it, I'd like to imagine Flint feels horrible about what he did to those two and wants their forgiveness.  Still, why would a Drago attack someone? They're such friendly creatures... I know you must be having a hard time with this, but try and get some sleep. The Drago fang that was stuck in Hinawa's chest... I'll hold on to it for you. When you get outta here, come drop by my house and get it. Don't forget, now. And so Flint finally rises.   Being a jail, of course, there's little to actually do.  At least Claus seems to be in good spirits, at least after all he's been through.   but he's been crying at Mom's grave all this time. The core... The core might be too hard to eat, but be SURE you eat it!  Dad...I... Claus is putting on a brave face, but it's obvious he's still hurting from the loss of his mother.    Meanwhile, Flint is hurting from taking a bite into that apple.  Oh, Claus.   And so the only person to ever get locked up in Tazmily Jail manages to break out. And no one will really care.    I'm not really sure what to say... What happened to Hinawa was a terrible tragedy... I can't say I know how you're feeling. Lucas has been crying at her grave ever since. If there's anything else I can do for you, just let me know anytime.With that bit of encouragement, we're now free to explore the town.   Many of the townspeople are at Hinawa's burial site right now though, so most of the houses are empty. Still, we can actually explore them now. And there are some people scattered about.   Like Lou and Bud, trying to lighten the mood by practicing their comedy shtick.   "What are we, a freak show?!" seems better than "What are we, sea otters?!" Or, no, maybe it doesn't. "What are we, sea otters?!" has more edge to it.Keep trying, guys.  One of the houses has a bunch of birds in it. There are also similar birds on the beach. They don't actually talk to you though, even telepathically.  Hello.   Hmm? That's not what you need? Oh, Claus and Lucas? I believe they're at the Sunset Cemetery, north of the village.That's our next destination, after we explore a bit.   Come stop by our place!The following music plays whenever you enter most of the buildings.   She can make a cookie with one, and she can make bread with three. It's really yummy stuff!  I'm sure that's what Hinawa wants, too.I wasn't able to actually get Caroline to bake stuff for me, but it's not a big loss since my inventory's overflowing with food anyway.   H-have you eaten?  Please just forget that you hit me. I'm going to forget about it. Compared to your pain, this is nothing at all.  Abbot and Ollie don't hold anything against you. So please don't be worried.That's a relief, at least.  But... But I had to come back home. Bronson doesn't seem to mind we broke out of jail, so distraught he is over the funeral.     Anyways, this is the village bazaar. If you need anything, just go ahead and take it.The bazaar offers free items, though what you get is random.  The Flea Charm and the Running Bomb are guaranteed for your first visit, and occasionally the loot will reset from plot stuff. Rarely you may see the Better Stick, which is Flint's ultimate weapon, but I didn't bother save scumming for it.    But, at the very least, please be a strong father in front of your children, okay? Last stop in the town center is the mayor's house.   I wasn't the one who decided to place you in that jail cell. Really, it wasn't me!  Large place full of people.   I'm very open-hearted, you see.At least neither of them hold our actions against us.    Something not right's happening to this village. I can feel it. You weren't the one who taught my cute little Myrna all those unsavory words, were you?  I'm alive! I'm plenty alive, dagnabbit! There are pigs and cows about now in the southeastern ranch area.   (I'm a pig, but I don't know any secret MOTHER 3 info that only pigs know...) (There's actually secret, behind-the-scenes info about MOTHER 3 that only pigs know...) Secret MOTHER 3 info, eh?   (We drool a lot, we do.) (Oops, I'm drooling.) (...is what frogs say, right?)Only one other person to talk to on the right side of town.   It's truly hard to bear when younger ones pass away first. Take it with you. We can get an infinite supply from behind Wess's house, but hey, it's the thought that counts.  I have an inkling of where you're off to. But your life's not the only one at risk here. Old Nippolyte is getting up there in years. Don't make him dig another grave.    Well, time to head north towards the cemetery.   You really lost it during that wild outburst of yours. I know you had your reasons, but it's wrong to act out your aggressions on others.   Everyone loved Hinawa...  People have the power to forget.Up north is our destination.  And this is the man who dug our wife's grave.   Words fail me... Your wife's resting in it right now, but when the time comes, you'll be able to rest right beside her. It's a top-notch grave, it is. Indeed, there are many such top-notch graves here.  And many not-so-top-notch graves. Other grave descriptions include... "A good, quality grave." This appears to be a new type of grave. "I leave the rest to you now." This gravestone is unusually wobble. "Life is too short to act gravely." "A great-grade gray grave." "A grave of grave consequences." "A grave grave." "Reserved."  That sure is a lot of graves. Let's talk to some people who aren't graves.   When I called out to him as he was leaving, he gave a tiny little smile...and suddenly dashed off...  Even so... *sniffle* *sob*  Hinawa...  She barely even got to live life! Wouldn't you agree? I can't not drink at a time like this...  Hinawa was always so kind to my wife. ...I wish I could say more for you, but I've never been at such a loss for words...  As far as we know, No.  But he said we wouldn't see each other for a while... When is "a while"? Tomorrow?   You two loved each other so much that even the little birds in the forest were jealous.   And here's the rest of the town, including poor Lucas.     I was just trying to remember what sunflowers symbolize... Because Hinawa really loved them. ...Good question.   Please cheer up...I'm, umm...I'm sure Hinawa...I'm sure she's...up in the sky now...Waaaah!  I'm sorry you have to suffer such sadness...  That's the town, just Lucas and Alec left.   I thought you said anything could come true, as long as we prayed from the bottom of our hearts?! That breaks my heart more than anything else so far.  Time to talk to Hinawa's father.   I haven't been to the village in a while, but I rushed straight here after I heard about Hinawa. I made this a GIF because that pause also breaks my heart.  He said he was going to see you, but then never came back...  Lucas! It's not good to keep secrets from people! Don't tell me Claus went after that detestable Drago to try to... N-n-n-no! ...Aah! It's a good thing you raised him to be honest, Flint!! Does Claus honestly think a homemade knife can kill a Drago?! Well... I said I wanted to go too, but he said no because he was going alone...  Maybe that was a little too harsh of me... Flint. We're in a race against time, but this can't be any ordinary Drago we're dealing with here. We're gonna need the proper equipment first! Next time, we prepare ourselves to rescue Claus.    
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SaGa Frontier 2 bothered me at times and that was basically Game of Thrones: The Game in terms of body count, but that's child's play compared to this  Haniwa dying so early in really puts the game on a razor's edge, because it sure doesn't feel like anyone's safe.
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Nope, sorry thread title, but that update did it.
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I've watched lp's of this game before. I even played this game to a little past this part in the past few days. I know many things that happen throughout the game, but hearing that song and seeing the following screenshots still sends chills down my spine and makes my eyes water a little.
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I remember that when playing this game I kept thinking it cannot be happening. It is an elaborate joke. She is alive and well. Somehow, somewhere. Only about halfway through the game I managed to finally accept this. And I actually hate my mother with a passion.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:00
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Also great in this game: sound design! I love the ambient bird sounds as the first thing you get when Flint comes to.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:25
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Glad to see this game getting an LP. I love the pacing the beginning takes - the game gives you plenty of time to take a natural reaction to Hinawa's death before sending you off. Nothing feels forced, no strange "quest" to go on aside from what feels natural, but from all the Pigmen you know more is to come. e; Forgot to mention, but I saw a few people mention that Hinawa's name doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the characters, such as Flint, Lucas, Claus, Fuel, etc. In fact, it does, but it's simply lost in translation - Everyone else has English names even in Japanese, but Hinawa's, "fuse" in Japanese (like at the end of a firework or bomb), actually does relate! I suspect it was kept sounding "Japanese" because it gives her a more motherly aura to have a Japanese-style name rather than a foreign-sounding English one in the original. Also, she's sort of the "fuse" that, once lit, gets the story going, but that's just overanalysing. aidoru fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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I feel bad, because I can't get emotionally invested yet. We only just met Hinawa and the way they revealed her death was just...stupid if I'm honest. Surely no human being would ever deliver news that way. We can analyze the game and find a meaning in that, but it took me out of the moment. I am curious where this plot is going though, I want it to make me cry by the end.
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SonicRulez posted:I feel bad, because I can't get emotionally invested yet. We only just met Hinawa and the way they revealed her death was just...stupid if I'm honest. Surely no human being would ever deliver news that way. We can analyze the game and find a meaning in that, but it took me out of the moment. I am curious where this plot is going though, I want it to make me cry by the end. Honestly? Same here. Hinawa didn't have much in the way of characterization or anything really, so her death just screams "Plot device!" to me. I get the death reveal was meant to be awkward, but I still don't like the way they did it.
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Bellmaker posted:SaGa Frontier 2 bothered me at times and that was basically Game of Thrones: The Game in terms of body count, but that's child's play compared to this Didn't really get that feeling from SF2, I think a lot of the death toll is really diluted since it covers 2 families across 3 generations. Of course that doesn't count the one or two deaths that really matter. Suikoden on the other hand, huge body counts, Greek Tragedy style torment. Hinawa though, it was a massive jerk move, both meanings included. Jerk in that there's no warning that you may have named her after your mom as is somewhat encouraged. Also, third derivative definition of jerk being absolutely neck-snapping swing. Flint being set up to be heroic, but wasn't able to do anything, wasn't given the chance to.
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These two last updates both made me cry a bit, but not for Hinawa in particular. More for just the idea of a dead mother.
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Dabir posted:These two last updates both made me cry a bit, but not for Hinawa in particular. More for just the idea of a dead mother. And I'll argue to the last that the scene with Flint going nuts triggers precisely the sort of empathy you're supposed to feel at that point. You don't know Hinawa, but you should recognize the pain of a family losing a spouse and a parent.
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Goddamit Claus why didn't you take the Drago tooth??? Get revenge with irony!!!
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That quote from Lucas missing his mother's punishment. Christ, I was on the verge of tears and that almost put me over.
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I think everyone is trying too hard to make it all "crying sad", it's getting on my nerves. It's really well executed and a sad moment. But not really cry worthy and as others have said you can see it coming.  edit: I just came across this but didn't feel it worthy to make a new post for it. Earthbound Haramaki Darth TNT fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Darth TNT posted:I think everyone is trying too hard to make it all "crying sad", it's getting on my nerves. The "crying" moments I feel come much later in the game.
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I didn't cry over the death or even the reactions afterwards but those lines like Lucas' back there did cause me to choke up a little. I think that's what they were going for, the death is sad but you're not supposed to cry yet. The game doesn't linger on this scene much though, even if you take the time to explore it's still not too long before the game gets you moving along.
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Saddest thing for me in that update was the last screenshot... Just something about epitaphs or obituaries that get to me I guess. I'm guessing this game is a lot like Les Miserables, in the sense that the big scenes will touch people a lot differently. I know plenty of people lose it when Fantine goes, but for me it's Valjean at the end. Just because you're not crying now doesn't mean that it's not coming later.
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So, they buried Hinawa without Flint being there, they just left him in that jail while they were saying their final farewells? They couldn't have waited until he recovered?  That's just so, so horribly wrong. I didn't feel sad this update. No. This made me angry. How can his friends and neighbours do something like that? Mega64 posted:Hmm? That's now what you need? Oh, Claus and Lucas? I believe they're at the Sunset Cemetery, north of the village. Was that a typo and should 'now' be 'not'?
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Carbon dioxide posted:They couldn't have waited until he recovered?
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Honestly? Same here. Hinawa didn't have much in the way of characterization or anything really, so her death just screams "Plot device!" to me. I get the death reveal was meant to be awkward, but I still don't like the way they did it. Anything that happens at all is a "plot device"; there is no alternative to plot in a fictional story. At this point, the game isn't asking you to feel sorry for Hinawa. It's asking you to feel sorry for Flint, and the kids, and the idyllic community that never had to go through something like this. The effect Hinawa's death is supposed to have on the player is not sadness or anger, I believe, but empathy: understanding and connecting with the feelings of other people, people the player barely even knows. e: beaten
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Cyphoderus posted:Anything that happens at all is a "plot device"; there is no alternative to plot in a fictional story. Yeah, a lot of emphasis was put on Flint's and everyone else's reactions to her death, not really the death itself. There's not really much of a personal connection with Hinawa unless you named her after your own mother, which ties in with the whole empathy thing.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Was that a typo and should 'now' be 'not'? Yeah, thanks for catching that! Fixed.
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The Sunset Cemetery has been on our map all this time? That's... that's disturbingly prescient, Mapson.
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I rather like how people are dealing with Hinawa's death in the game, it's realistic and a nice touch from how most games handle it. I almost lost it at Alec's pause. 
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Raitzeno posted:I find it odd that a small, tight-knit community somehow has a place in it for a master thief and his lazybones apprentice/son. Why do they even call him a thief? Has he stolen a bunch of poo poo in the past? If so, why the hell is everyone so cheerful about having him around? I bet he's like Bilbo Baggins. Went out, stole a bunch of poo poo on fantastic adventures, came back with everyone else's money and became a respected member of the community. But man, what an awful day for Flint. Not only did they throw him in a jail cell with no bed or futon or anything, they didn't even let him out for the funeral.
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I love that there is a jail cell to put flint in. They know what crimes are, but no one has considered doing a crime until just now.
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Shwqa posted:I love that there is a jail cell to put flint in. They know what crimes are, but no one has considered doing a crime until just now.
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I like that Tazmily has most of the comforts and services of modern civilization but no one uses them the way they're supposed to be used because they're not exactly sure how. There's a shop, but there's no concept of money so the shopkeeper just gives stuff away. There's a master thief, but everyone shares everything anyway so there's nothing to steal. There's a jail, but no crime. It's like they're children pretending to be adults.
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Someone post and I'll give you an update. Want to get an update on the next page but don't feel like triple posting.
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I started playing this game just after this thread came up. As of yesterday, I can attest to the accuracy of the thread title.
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