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Dacap posted:I just really hate the whole thing where they're artificially aging Tempus up so putting her in a relationship with Cyclops will be slightly less creepy. She wasn't a teenager or anything. Bendis addressed it and said it was more the teacher/student thing that was off-putting on it. Now she's more his peer. But it's really no worse than say, Layla Miller and Madrox. Or Hope wanting to get with Fantomex.
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To be fair, with that accent, who couldn't resist Phantomex? I did like it when someone said "that guy who's seen Danger: Diabolique! too many times". Who was that, Widow?
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I just finished reading Milligan's run on X-Men, followed by Mike Carey's first go at it. Granted, I decided to skip Austen's, but boy, Milligan's time on the title is some grim, bitter stuff. There are some residual similarities to the tail-end of X-Statix in the venality of the character's and the pronounced cynicism of the class consciousness, but with none of the sense of fun or impression that he, you know, likes the characters at all. At the same time, Danny Miki's inks do Larocca a lot of favors. His pencils look so much better inked instead of the washy faux-paint deal I've usually seen him saddled with. I also did like the Apocalypse storyline. It seems of a piece with Morrison's Magneto swansong-- despite the grandiosely comic-bookish touches of his speech to the UN and the giant flying sphinx, his Apoc just seems confused and tired. Which I guess is apt. In comparison, Carey's run is a lot of fun. Very zippy. I see a lot of Ramos hate here, but he brought a nice rubbery kinetic quality to his issues-- a good fit for characters like Cannonball and Ice Man. I wish the plot would have slowed down a bit, though. Kind of odd to realize that there aren't really any meaty scenes between Sam and Cable-- was this run the first time they'd both been in the same series since, like, right after Age of Apocalypse? God, I could not get into Brubaker's Uncanny though. I stuck with it until they went into space, then I flipped through the covers and realized that yeah, that's months and months of space hit I don't know how to care about. twistedmentat posted:To be fair, with that accent, who couldn't resist Phantomex? You know, I always saw him as more of a Jerry Cornelius riff. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 02:05
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Archyduke posted:Kind of odd to realize that there aren't really any meaty scenes between Sam and Cable-- was this run the first time they'd both been in the same series since, like, right after Age of Apocalypse? No, they were together for a short (and terrible) X-Force series before Cable & Deadpool started. Somewhere in 2004? Archyduke posted:God, I could not get into Brubaker's Uncanny though. I stuck with it until they went into space, then I flipped through the covers and realized that yeah, that's months and months of space hit I don't know how to care about. He had a hard-on for that Vulcan character for some reason. Brubaker is just a terrible fit for super hero comics and his run on X-Men is some of the most mediocre poo poo this side of late day Scott Lobdell.
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Aug 11, 2014 02:42
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Codependent Poster posted:She wasn't a teenager or anything. Bendis addressed it and said it was more the teacher/student thing that was off-putting on it. Now she's more his peer. It get's weird because of the sliding timeline. These vaguely young characters are going to be adults at some point, but when depends on more or less whoever is writing them the day they hook up with an established adult character. I remember thinking that Layla couldn't be older than 12 when she was first written in House of M. Didn't someone get aged up because Land was on her book and kept tracing pornstars for a character who had been written as 14/15? Maybe Pixie?
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Nevvy Z posted:It get's weird because of the sliding timeline. These vaguely young characters are going to be adults at some point, but when depends on more or less whoever is writing them the day they hook up with an established adult character. I remember thinking that Layla couldn't be older than 12 when she was first written in House of M. It was Pixie. She was 14 before but then they had to explicitly state in dialog that she was 19 so Land's art would be less creepy. This is what she used to look like in New X-Men drawn by Skottie Young  And here's Greg Land's 
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Aug 11, 2014 19:49
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Man, so I was rereading the issues of Uncanny that has Jean turn to the Phoenix for the first time. And goddamn, Wolverine is such a pathetic and unlikable goon. Jean tells him to gently caress off right before she's about to die, and then when she survives, he buys her flowers and thinks they're gonna hook up. He even still refers to her as Jeannie even though that was the whole reason he told her to gently caress off.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:56
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I forgot how cool Pixie used to look. I wish they'd change her back.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:23
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Archyduke posted:God, I could not get into Brubaker's Uncanny though. I stuck with it until they went into space, then I flipped through the covers and realized that yeah, that's months and months of space hit I don't know how to care about. Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire is like if you took Dallas, but removed JR Ewing and any other interesting character, just left the drama, threw it into space, and puked out an ending that ultimately had no point. Then Emperor Vulcan happened to reaffirm how pointless the ending of the previous arc had been. But hey, it got Havok out of the main universe, and I guess that's what Marvel had been wanting to do since Mutant X ended by approving that, so whatever, keep Havok in bad, irrelevant comics forever and ever, I suppose, until Uncanny Avengers comes along.
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Aug 12, 2014 15:45
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Rick posted:I forgot how cool Pixie used to look. I wish they'd change her back. That requires her to be utilized consistently, and let's face it, once Magik got brought back into the picture, her number was up. And this is coming from someone who liked Pixie as well.
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Aug 12, 2014 17:17
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Speaking of, I never read any older stuff with Magik in it. Did she have a metal Colossus arm or was that just part of her costume?
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Aug 12, 2014 17:30
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She had a full suit of mystic armor that was part of her whole Limbo deal. When she was using magic or the Soulsword, parts of the suit would manifest on her.
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Aug 12, 2014 18:19
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Aphrodite posted:Speaking of, I never read any older stuff with Magik in it. She's a big presence in Claremont's run I'm reading and is a cool character. Check some of that out if you like her. Also she had her own mini that I think took place when she was in the hell dimension that super aged her. Doesn't have the robot arm yet, though and I'm almost at issue 200.
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Aug 12, 2014 18:20
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Probably Magic posted:Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire is like if you took Dallas, but removed JR Ewing and any other interesting character, just left the drama, threw it into space, and puked out an ending that ultimately had no point. Then Emperor Vulcan happened to reaffirm how pointless the ending of the previous arc had been. The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire is an interesting read if you take it totally out of the X-Men universe and use it for historical purposes in the build up of War of Kings. I'm not saying it's good, but it serves some form of purpose, at least. But if you're reading through just UXM straight, it's a terrible mini (12 issues? really? gently caress that!) that interrupts any flow that might've possibly been forming.
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Aug 12, 2014 18:25
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I rather enjoyed All New X-Men today, it had i) Bobby delivering possibly the most X-Men X-Men line as it gets; ii) Magik's reaction to the outcome of the big face off was absolutely perfect. Pichelli's art was delightful too but nothing new there. The only puzzling point was how/where did Warren suddenly get some semblance of a personality from... Alas, Wolverine and the X-Men was once again insufferably tedious, despite the return of Broo, so I think I'm done with it.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:03
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The art on Wolverine and the X-Men was really bad at some places, I'm thinking of dropping the book.
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Aug 13, 2014 23:15
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The first issue of Guggenheim's run on X-Men was pretty decent but nothing amazing. At the very least, the new artist is a huge improvement. Also, the new X-Force arc is off to a really great start.
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Aug 14, 2014 01:29
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Didn't they cure the thing breaking powers, or were Dark Beasts nano sentinels a second, separate power breaking?
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Aug 14, 2014 01:47
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Aphrodite posted:Didn't they cure the thing breaking powers, or were Dark Beasts nano sentinels a second, separate power breaking? They said it was nano sentinels even though it makes no sense that they took effect the second the Phoenix Force left them and that it effected Magneto (who still has wonky powers in his book).
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Aug 14, 2014 01:50
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Aphrodite posted:Didn't they cure the thing breaking powers, or were Dark Beasts nano sentinels a second, separate power breaking? X-Force meanwhile was loving awesome.
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Emma's telepathy has worked occasionally but not voluntarily.Rhyno posted:They said it was nano sentinels even though it makes no sense that they took effect the second the Phoenix Force left them and that it effected Magneto (who still has wonky powers in his book). Apparently it was meant to be that the nano sentinels were causing Cyclops' unintentional blasts, and Magik's inability to teleport, but that the broken powers are still a thing.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:20
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Oh so it's just a layer of extra dumb on the whole thing. I'm sure Bendis will pay it off though and it'll be a dull wet plop of a turd.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:26
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It might not actually be Phoenix related. All 3 were also in SHIELD custody as Uncanny began.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:24
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I completely disagree that All New didn't suck. Bendis dicked around for 17 pages until they got to the cliffhanger that already occurred in Uncanny a few weeks before.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:56
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HorseRenoir posted:The first issue of Guggenheim's run on X-Men was pretty decent but nothing amazing. At the very least, the new artist is a huge improvement. I thing the highest praise I can give to X-Force is that the early part is basically a Garth Ennis War Comic, but the wack-a-doo crazy superpowers stuff slowly seeps in, and Spurrier loving nails it, and I think it's Kim's best looking issue to date.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I completely disagree that All New didn't suck. Bendis dicked around for 17 pages until they got to the cliffhanger that already occurred in Uncanny a few weeks before. I got a few chuckles from Bobby and Warren, but pretty much. The stuff with Laura went on way too long, Kitty and Quill seems super forced and completely random (though maybe it was legitimately built up in a book I don't read), the psychic battle filled just enough pages for Jean and Emma to be BEST FRIENDS FOREVER without any explanation why, and then the other X-Men show up to sell yet another X-Men book where, presumably, more nothing will happen, which is just going to be ignored in the next issue of the title I just finished reading so the time-displaced team can meet Miles Morales. I love the art on this book, but pick a loving plot and run with it for two issues in a row without crossing over into another book. It's not that hard. Lots of comics function that way, and you can too, All-New X-Men.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:35
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I don't think I have ever read a comic that was so full of self-wankery as the latest All-New. I'm fairly sure there's got to be X-Men fanfiction out there that is more professional, consistent, and less "pat yourself in the back" than this garbage.
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Aug 14, 2014 10:33
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Yeah X-Force was fantastic this week, I really did feel like it was an Ennis war comic I was reading, for about 3/4s of it. Great stuff.
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This Ultimate universe crossover is an odd thing to me, I'm curious to see where it goes. There's no X-men book in the Ultimate Universe right now, maybe this's could eventually lead to the Original 5 becoming the new Ultimate X-Men team?
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Dacap posted:This Ultimate universe crossover is an odd thing to me, I'm curious to see where it goes. There's no X-men book in the Ultimate Universe right now, maybe this's could eventually lead to the Original 5 becoming the new Ultimate X-Men team? I actually am really interested in this. I haven't followed it in a couple years but it was pretty depressing how most of the mutant stuff shook out over in Ultimates so it might be nice to see how 616 takes it.
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irlZaphod posted:Yeah X-Force was fantastic this week, I really did feel like it was an Ennis war comic I was reading, for about 3/4s of it. Great stuff. I honestly kept forgetting I was reading an X-book until the end. I noticed Nemesis' first appearance but Cable and Marrow went right over my head.
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Diet Poison posted:I honestly kept forgetting I was reading an X-book until the end. I noticed Nemesis' first appearance but Cable and Marrow went right over my head. Other X-news this week: Kid Apocalypse and Quentin Quire showed up in Deadpool, it was pretty funny, but also kind of sweet (which has been Deadpool's tone for a while). I hated they way they were both drawn, but oh well. I really enjoyed X-Men and was surprised. Then I realized there was a new writer. I meant to drop it after the Rockslide/Anole back up ended, but I'm glad I didn't . Speaking of Rockslide, I wasn't expecting him to show up in Amazing, but I loved that too. Uncanny/All-New haven't been my jam lately, but now everything else is shaping up.
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So is the consensus that Guggenheim isn't poo poo like he was with Young X-Men? Because if so, I'll keep that in mind and maybe check it out.
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Probably Magic posted:So is the consensus that Guggenheim isn't poo poo like he was with Young X-Men? Because if so, I'll keep that in mind and maybe check it out. His first issue was pretty good, I thought.
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Did Greg Land draw this All New, because the first few pages with Laura and Warren were just there so someone could draw a 16 year old all sexed up. I feel dirty reading that  It would have been better if that was left out and we got pages of Emma and Jean trying to freak each other out with their minds. Which Emma would win after she just goes "I've seen whats inside Logans mind, and enjoy!" and Jean gets freaked out from Logans sexual fantasies. Seriously, Spiral? All those Arms  XX-Men, is there many deathbirds or is there just one? Because I know there was a Deathbird who tries to take over the Shi'iar and there was a deathbird that fought Ms marvel ages ago. Same person?
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The Deathbird in that issue is the Shi'ar one, and she also previously fought Carol as Ms. Marvel. However there was a more recent Deathbird who fought Carol as Captain Marvel. She was an imposter posing as the one from the X-Men issue though.
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Fritzler posted:Kid Apocalypse and Quentin Quire showed up in Deadpool, it was pretty funny, but also kind of sweet (which has been Deadpool's tone for a while). I hated they way they were both drawn, but oh well. twistedmentat posted:Did Greg Land draw this All New, because the first few pages with Laura and Warren were just there so someone could draw a 16 year old all sexed up. I feel dirty reading that
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X-Force - loving awesome. I loved the whole "war journal" aspect but I was really confused as to why X-Force was hunting down a random special forces group. None the less enjoyed the poo poo out of it. All New X-Men - Really good issue. I didn't feel weird about Warren and Laura until someone pointed out they are only 16. I keep forgetting the time displaced X-Men are so young. They looked like they were at some sort of S+M sex club so that also made me think they were older. The parts with Jean and Emma were awesome and I would've loved a whole book of just that. Amazing X-Men - Meh. I'm waiting for the current story arc to be over so I can drop it from my reading list. I'm just not feeling this book at all, despite the fact I actually kind of like the World War Wendigo storyline. WatXM - Meh. Maybe it's because I'm relatively new to X-Men books (I just started reading them during BotA) but I don't know who Idie is or why she is so important. Maybe it's because of that that my enjoyment of WatXM isn't as high as I would've hoped but I still like it. Wolverine - So/So. When I was in elementry school and a big collector back in the 90's I thought Wolverine was awesome. When I got back into comics and a new Wolverine series started I was happy because it gave me a ground floor to start reading my favorite hero. I've struggled through stupid storylines (alien nano virus blocks his healing) and now 3 months to die. I hate this book but I can't stop reading becuase I feel I owe it to my younger self. X-Men - Good issue. I've spent the last few months thinking of dropping this book. This issue reaffirmed that I will keep reading. Bloodlines was horrible but I'm willing to give this new team a shot and see where they go.
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The art was really sketchy in WatXM this week, particularly that there were a bunch of pupils that were all over the place. Also was a little bit annoyed by Fantomex declaring that the walls of the school only stood because of wolverine, because that school has housed a lot of scary poo poo throughout the years, not just wolverine.
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SalTheBard posted:WatXM - Meh. Maybe it's because I'm relatively new to X-Men books (I just started reading them during BotA) but I don't know who Idie is or why she is so important. Maybe it's because of that that my enjoyment of WatXM isn't as high as I would've hoped but I still like it. Idie was a new mutant who, in the course of being attacked by the new Hellfire Club, outright kills a bunch of guys. Cyclops just shrugs and says, "That's life," while Wolverine felt like he was basically looking at his fated self in the past and said, "gently caress this, I'm done with mutants as an army anymore." And that's how Schism starts. Ever since, she, Quentin, and Kid Apocalpyse with the occasional moments of Broo have been all that WatXM ever seems to consistently focus on. While I like those characters, it's annoying that the pertinent cast is so narrow.
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