Ignite Memories posted:Yeah, I can take maybe one actual movie about thanos. He's a really stupid character when you take a step back and look at him, so I would prefer if they continue to use him sparingly. I think Thanos, as written and conceived by Starlin, is a great character, but we're clearly not going to get that version of the character in the films if the buildup is any indication. We're just going to get Darkseid-lite with a touch of nihilism.
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What is interesting about him? AFAIK he just loves death and wants to kill everyone to make her happy but it actually makes her mad so it's kind of moot/rear end-backwards. I'm not arguing with you, I really would like to know what starlin did that worked.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, she was good, especially in contrast to the other villains. I loved the weird cyber warble effect they threw on her voice as well. I definitely hope we get a lot more of her in future films.
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Aug 14, 2014 01:31
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Ignite Memories posted:What is interesting about him? AFAIK he just loves death and wants to kill everyone to make her happy but it actually makes her mad so it's kind of moot/rear end-backwards. I'm not arguing with you, I really would like to know what starlin did that worked. The word that comes to mind regarding Starlin's cosmic comics is "contemplative." Thanos is a contemplative villain. His love of Death is an anthropomorphized form of nihilism cast in superhero comic book terms, and I love it. I recently read the Thanos Quest issues for the first time and they get to the heart of the character really well.
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Aug 14, 2014 01:39
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Didn't see this posted yet but Awesome Mix vol 1 is the number 1 album in America.
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Lurdiak posted:I think Thanos, as written and conceived by Starlin, is a great character, but we're clearly not going to get that version of the character in the films if the buildup is any indication. We're just going to get Darkseid-lite with a touch of nihilism. Bad Thanos stories tend to be a lot like that. I'm don't like Infinity Gauntlet, but I did like how Thanos was a character that actually tried to change and better himself over the course of those stories. I don't like how those stories are written, but I'd be lying if I said Thanos wasn't interesting.
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The Action Man posted:Bad Thanos stories tend to be a lot like that. the recent Starlin Thanos book Infinity Revelation was a really good example of this.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:11
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The Action Man posted:Bad Thanos stories tend to be a lot like that. Yeah, the genuine moments of self-reflection are what separates him from other "cosmic despot"-style villains. Those periodic moments where he's like "Huh, the way I'm doing things isn't working and I don't like what that says about me, I need to rethink things." Darkseid's a great villain, but an uncomplicated one. His goal is pretty static; he wants all life under his thumb. Thanos, at times, isn't quite sure what he really wants. To die? To be Death? To be one with Death? Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 02:16
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SlimGoodbody posted:I loved the weird cyber warble effect they threw on her voice as well. I definitely hope we get a lot more of her in future films. I love when she says "Thanks, Dad". It just screamed gently caress YOU DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Karen Gillian  If they did Infinity War, they need to have the two Thanosi and one keeps peeking on the other. I cracked up at that, though it would lack the awesome Kang/Doom team up. gently caress, we'll never seen Kang with this green gogo boots in a movie will we? twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 02:32
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, she was good, especially in contrast to the other villains. Nebula? She was treated worse than Gamora. Does absolutely nothing most of the movie, then gets a 1 on 1 fight with Gamora (because girls can only fight girls) and that's it. The makeup was fabulous and evey line she got she made sure was gold, but even side characters like the Broker, Yondu and the Collector got more love than Nebula did.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:40
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Potsticker posted:Nebula? She was treated worse than Gamora. Does absolutely nothing most of the movie, then gets a 1 on 1 fight with Gamora (because girls can only fight girls) and that's it. The makeup was fabulous and evey line she got she made sure was gold, but even side characters like the Broker, Yondu and the Collector got more love than Nebula did. She was way more of a badass than Gamora, though. Shrugs off a point-blank rocket to the face, cuts off her own hand rather than be rescued/captured, then steals a spaceship and bounces out of the movie. I was disappointed in how they treated Gamora. Isn't she supposed to be the deadliest woman in the galaxy? Do we even really see her conclusively win a fight in the movie?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:She was way more of a badass than Gamora, though. Shrugs off a point-blank rocket to the face, cuts off her own hand rather than be rescued/captured, then steals a spaceship and bounces out of the movie. I wouldn't say she shrugs it off, but yeah, she did take a lickin' from a non-raccoon rocket and managed to get back up again. EDIT because you added more: Gamora was so sad, she drives the entire plot of the movie in terms of actively moving the orb around and during big fight scenes she's either fighting a guard off-screen, running away in a pod while Rocket the raccoon and Quill the Star-Lord get all the cool scenes, or being pidgeonholed into the aforementioned fight with Nebula while everyone else fights the big fight against the ships and soldiers. I enjoed Guardians very much, but Gamora and Nebula were so badly used. Potsticker fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:She was way more of a badass than Gamora, though. Shrugs off a point-blank rocket to the face, cuts off her own hand rather than be rescued/captured, then steals a spaceship and bounces out of the movie. Nobody does, not alone, the crux of the movie is they need each other/are more powerful together.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:49
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SirDan3k posted:Nobody does, not alone, the crux of the movie is they need each other/are more powerful together. I don't know how much of this is necessary to spoil so I'ma just spoil all of it: Groot takes out a ton of people single-handedly. Drax disarms a prison riot and ices Korath. Rocket Raccoon at least takes out Ronan for a minute with his suicide-bomber move. Quill goes back into the prison by himself and takes down a bunch of dudes to get his Walkman back. I might just be remembering poorly, but I'm struggling to think of any similarly cool feat that Gamora gets. Even her big fight with Nebula ends in a stalemate. If the character comes off okay at all, it's because Zoe Saldana is a very good actress that excels at this type of role. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 02:54
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Potsticker posted:I wouldn't say she shrugs it off, but yeah, she did take a lickin' from a non-raccoon rocket and managed to get back up again.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:00
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theflyingorc posted:Her body is all screwed up after that happens, a bunch of weird stuff like pops back into place, it was a neat effect. I agree.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:01
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah, the genuine moments of self-reflection are what separates him from other "cosmic despot"-style villains. Those periodic moments where he's like "Huh, the way I'm doing things isn't working and I don't like what that says about me, I need to rethink things." Thanos is Darkseid on weed.
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Aug 14, 2014 03:18
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Die Laughing posted:Thanos is Darkseid on weed. Kinda, yeah. I like those stories about how fans used to send baggies of weed to Starlin and Englehart with their letters.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I don't know how much of this is necessary to spoil so I'ma just spoil all of it: The majority of that happens after the big team up or when they are just starting to cooperate, Gamora's moment is sadly more femininely traditional in her being the one to reach out to Quill despite knowing better then anyone else that it'd probably just kill her to. While her beating Nubula outright it would have been nice it would have been counter to the narrative if Gamora went off on her own and beat her nemesis with no help and I can see why Gunn didn't do that.
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One thing that really struck me in the movie is how well the Knowhere defeats really felt absolutely crushing for the main characters: Drowned, suffocated, frozen, beaten, robbed, captured, etc., but ultimately ended up uniting them. It sort of made me think of it as a counterpoint to the scene in Avengers where they blow up the forest, for some reason.
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JediTalentAgent posted:One thing that really struck me in the movie is how well the Knowhere defeats really felt absolutely crushing for the main characters: Drowned, suffocated, frozen, beaten, robbed, captured, etc., but ultimately ended up uniting them. Actually, the counterpoint scene is the entire Helicarrier fight. And they still mope around until Nick Fury has to lie to them to do anything about the aliens stomping New York into a mud hole. I mean, I still like the Avengers, but seeing GOTG kinda underlines and bolds how needlessly terrible they were to each other, except for Tony and Bruce.
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Unlucky7 posted:I mean, I still like the Avengers, but seeing GOTG kinda underlines and bolds how needlessly terrible they were to each other, except for Tony and Bruce. Tony TASED Bruce. But the Avengers being huge dicks to each other and fighting is part of why they're the Avengers and not the Justice League. Although I still think Guardians completely blew Avengers out of the water.
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Well yeah Avengers was painfully generic. Hell even the dialog was generic and that is basically Whedon's thing.
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CelticPredator posted:This is not what happened. Peter jumped in. She didn't ask for him. theflyingorc posted:As I recall, doesn't she effortlessly disarm those guys when they get slightly distracted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiAFwV2emZQ Drax is about to stab her, when Peter stops him. He talks Drax down, and then Gamora springs into action and disarms them. After she has already had her rear end saved by Star-Lord. If not for Quill, she'd be shishkabobbed. Seriously, the movie completely takes a poo poo all over her character, it never gives her a true victory in the same way it gives the other characters, she's constantly being saved by Star-Lord, since by movie logic she is the only woman in the crew and therefore must be the protagonist's love interest. and despite her being the driving force behind the actions in the movie, she's never the one actually calling the shots. The closest she comes is when she leads them to Knowhere, and as soon as they get there she's once again relegated to following other people. By no means did it ruin the movie, but it's still a bit sad that even in 2014, with the best superhero movie of the year, we can't get Hollywood to give us a decent loving female lead.
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Captain Bravo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiAFwV2emZQ This clip happens after Gamora whoops on them, takes their knives and says "I'm on your side."
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Potsticker posted:Nebula? She was treated worse than Gamora. Does absolutely nothing most of the movie, then gets a 1 on 1 fight with Gamora (because girls can only fight girls) and that's it. The makeup was fabulous and evey line she got she made sure was gold, but even side characters like the Broker, Yondu and the Collector got more love than Nebula did. Not sure I'd agree about the Broker and the Collector really. It's more that she was the only interesting villain; Ronan was generic as hell (could have been swapped with Malekith from Thor 2 without either movie losing anything), and the Thanos stuff was the worst the franchise has been at shoving unnecessary stuff in there to build up a later movie.
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SlimGoodbody posted:I loved the weird cyber warble effect they threw on her voice as well. I definitely hope we get a lot more of her in future films. This reminds me, I loved all the little things in the movie too. Like Quill's radio being sticker-free in the end, the sound effects coming from Thanos' armor which you can just barely hear, all the work put into just the little movements of Groot and Rocket.
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Lurdiak posted:Tony TASED Bruce. When was that? I just remember them being Science Bros. It would be nice if they didn't chase the Spacedad plot thread and make the sequel Gamora centric.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:(could have been swapped with Malekith from Thor 2 without either movie losing anything) See I disagree. While both are pretty thin in characterization, I feel like I remember Ronan. He did stuff on his own and was just a crazy bad guy. Malekith just sort of showed up when Thor was there and talked about his plan. Ronan killed The Other and and crushed a guys skull. I have more memories of who Ronan is than who Malekith was. I mean I guess Malekith killed Thor's mom and ate the red goo, but I feel Ronan felt more like a character, even if there wasn't alot of it. Maybe it also has to do with how each character was played too. Ronan had some emotion going on, anger, surprise, dismissal. Malekith was just sort of one thing the whole way through, even when he died. DrPaper fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's more that she was the only interesting villain; Ronan was generic as hell (could have been swapped with Malekith from Thor 2 without either movie losing anything), and the Thanos stuff was the worst the franchise has been at shoving unnecessary stuff in there to build up a later movie. I'm kind of sad that Ronan was meh, Lee Pace was great in Pushing Daisies. I hope he can be used as someone else in the marvel films
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Anora posted:I'm kind of sad that Ronan was meh, Lee Pace was great in Pushing Daisies. I hope he can be used as someone else in the marvel films Christopher Eccleston is great too, although you wouldn't know it from Thor 2. He's barely recognisable, and not in a good way.
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Unlucky7 posted:When was that? I just remember them being Science Bros. He wasn't Tazed, Tony just poked him in the side with a sparky thing to see if he really had his temper in check.
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Did they ever explain what the hell "I'm always angry" means anyway?
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ImpAtom posted:Did they ever explain what the hell "I'm always angry" means anyway? It means that he's always angry. He only Hulks out when he loses his temper, but the anger to fuel that temper is always there. All he has to do is let it happen. That was my interpretation, anyway. There's no point where they sit down and make that explicit.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Not sure I'd agree about the Broker and the Collector really. I don't know why people think Ronan was uninteresting. He had a stupid ship and stupid grunts, but otherwise he was quite entertaining. He emoted well, had firm motivations, and got interrupted every time he tried to do a big badguy speech in front of the good guys. His fighting was mostly crap and his no-selling against Drax was annoying, though. I think Drax came out of the movie not nearly looking as strong (punch and muscles-wise) as he should've.
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Sarchasm posted:It means that he's always angry. He only Hulks out when he loses his temper, but the anger to fuel that temper is always there. All he has to do is let it happen. Yeah he's probably constantly suppressing the urge to hulk out. When he gets really stressed out it, he loses control like when he jumps out of the helicopter or when hawkeye blows up the helicarrier engine.
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Lurdiak posted:I think Thanos, as written and conceived by Starlin, is a great character, but we're clearly not going to get that version of the character in the films if the buildup is any indication. We're just going to get Darkseid-lite with a touch of nihilism. I imagine Thanos is only in it because Marvel Studios expects WB/DC will want to use Darkseid eventually in their own movies and wants to pip them to the post. Kang or somebody probably would have been a better arch-villain for the movies than Thanos.
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I dunno. I can't really see that, like every Marvel film is basically the template of "mystical item that turns out to be infinity gem gets captured by bad guy, heroes fight around for it, gem is ~unaccounted for by films end~. I can't see them building the films around someone other than Thanos wanting Infinity Gems. Though yeah DC are going to do Justice League vs Darkseid too.
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Metal Loaf posted:I imagine Thanos is only in it because Marvel Studios expects WB/DC will want to use Darkseid eventually in their own movies and wants to pip them to the post. That's nonsense. Thanos has always been the one guy who's a step above Dr. Doom in the Marvel villain hierarchy, and the ultimate cosmic villain. The infinity Gauntlet crossover is one of the best-regarded and best known marvel event books. There was even an incredibly popular arcade game based around it. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Waterhaul posted:I dunno. Hu? All the gems are accounted for. The Tesseract is in Asgard, the Aether is with teh Collector and the Orb is with the Nova Corps. Also, simply as a climactic villain for your franchise, Thanos is a great choice. The guy is literally a danger to the entire universe, you can't really ask for a better final opponent. Kang on the other hand, has the problem of having time travel being his entire shtick, and that is generally something you want to avoid unless you make your entire movie about it. e X fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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