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A taste for people who have never encountered "western" food in Asia: http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2008/02/crazy-weird-asian-pizza-crusts-japanese-korean-hong-kong.html You may think this list is just grabbing the most bizarre things possible and none of this is actually around much. Nobody eats a pizza made from sweet potatoes injected with mayonnaise. You would be wrong.
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Grand Fromage posted:A taste for people who have never encountered "western" food in Asia: http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2008/02/crazy-weird-asian-pizza-crusts-japanese-korean-hong-kong.html Thinking a "triple cheese pizza" was three pizzas stacked on top of each other is actually pretty funny.
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Pretty sure most Asian interpretations of western food would give westerners the shits, too.
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Aug 14, 2014 04:13
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The worst culprit I know is a Korean steakhouse. The steak was nothing special, but the baked potato used whipping cream instead of sour cream. But really, foreign food getting butchered by locals is nothing new. It happens all over the world. To Chinese and Dutch folks, kale salads are not how we normally eat kale. Sushi in the States is atrocious with mayonnaise, cream cheese, siriacha, and god knows what instead of actual good seafood. Don't even get me started on American Chinese, or American - [Asian] food  Heck, even generic US bread, cheese, cured meats, pastries and what not from the super market taste atrocious compared to what you can find in Europe. Most places serving pasta and Italian are also pretty subpar. Jewish food is an exception because  However, once you go to Europe, people can't make a taco/burrito right. Even hamburgers and steaks never come out right unless you go to super fancy restaurants. Disclosure: I really really like Hong Kong style soy sauce western. It's such a guilty pleasure eating junk. It's the same with Bloodnose and his preference with American Japanese
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People in parts of the US can't even make Mexican food right. I have yet to find any sort of Carnitas in Oregon whereas in Texas they sold it precooked by the pound.
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My favorite food in the world is german-style Döner Kebab, which is a Germanized version of Turkish food. I ate it almost every single day for a year that I lived in Germany, and I haven't been back for ten years. I was in Seattle last year and saw they had a "Berlin Döner" place so I went there with much happiness in my heart, and they kind of hosed up the Germanized version of the Turkish food, but it was close enough to be pretty loving awesome. One day I want to go to Turkey and have the actual Turkish version
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Okay this topic is boring. No one cares what food you like and I certainly don't care about systran's German Turkish food in my Chinese politics thread. So let's look at the always-great biglychee.comBig Lychee posted:Before Occupy Central even decides whether to go ahead, its fake-grassroots opposition movement has its big gathering this Sunday. The Standard quotes organizer Robert Chow as advising marchers to smile in the face of taunts from misfits who are not part of the Silent Majority. So, as a result of the Communist Party’s United Front pressure on your boss, you’ve been forced to cancel a dream vacation with your family with no refund, and ordered to walk through the streets in the heat and humidity chanting slogans about how you like needing 14 years’ salary to buy a home – and then you have to grin. You’d want to slash your wrists. But they’ve thought of that… The anti democracy crowd never disappoints.
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P-Mack posted:Also, "Western" food in Singapore often bears little resemblance to what you'd actually find in the West, somewhat analogous to American Chinese food. If you order $2 hot dog spaghetti from a hawker you deserve your fate. "Cheezy chicken chop" on the other hand, what the gently caress.
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Sorry I can never tell if this is the China travel thread or the DnD thread 
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I have a new savings plan, I just need to not spend anything and live on the street for 14 years and I can finally afford a house that's just over the size of a jail cell! http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1573019/14-years-save-flat-just-dont-eat
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I'm really excited and can't wait to see where CY Leung and that Lam lady will take us next.
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Bloodnose posted:Okay this topic is boring. No one cares what food you like and I certainly don't care about systran's German Turkish food in my Chinese politics thread. So let's look at the always-great biglychee.com I thought that the PRC ivory tower compound where all the high level officials live/work had a bunch of high class Western restaurants, and that one guy going out to get pork buns was a huge deal.
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P-Mack posted:Also, "Western" food in Singapore often bears little resemblance to what you'd actually find in the West, somewhat analogous to American Chinese food. If you order $2 hot dog spaghetti from a hawker you deserve your fate. So many of my east Asian colleagues in grad school thought it perfectly normal and acceptable to put ketchup on spaghetti...
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Powerlurker posted:So many of my east Asian colleagues in grad school thought it perfectly normal and acceptable to put ketchup on spaghetti... http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20638364,00.html quote:Honey Boo Boo's Mama June Shares 'Sketti' Recipe Yeah, it is. I'll say one positive thing about it though, this is the same family that will easily butcher a freshlky killed roadkill animal they come across and revel in the meal. They may eat noodles with ketchup and and butter, but a freshly killed animal butchered properly and then cooked is about as high quality cuisine as you can get.
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A place in the united states advertising "Asian food" is like a radiation hazard symbol.
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Arglebargle III posted:A place in the united states advertising "Asian food" is like a radiation hazard symbol. Well, most are really bad. But, sometimes, you just want that westernized asian food. Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Arglebargle III posted:A place in the united states advertising "Asian food" is like a radiation hazard symbol. In Oranienburg (just outside Berlin) I saw an eatery advertising "Thai and Asian food". I suspect it was run by Thais who had thrown in some generic "Asian" dishes to appease their customers.
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The best restaurant like that I saw was a "Chinese, Mexican, and Japanese" place in Lebanon, Oregon. Any one of those is rare to find done well in rural Oregon, let alone all three in the same drat restaurant.
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I was binge watching CSIS videos on youtube and I heard ai interesting comment. One of the former US diplomat said Xi's father Xi Xhongxun held leadership roles in Guangzhou between 1978 to 1981 (and interestingly, spent his retire years not in his home province, but in Shenzhen.) Was HK still hostile to mainland during the time before the Sino-British join Declaration that's why Xi formed a very negative view toward Hong Kong? I have to confess I am not familiar with 70s and early 80s HK media and don't know what their views were toward mainland. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Bloodnose posted:Okay this topic is boring. No one cares what food you like and I certainly don't care about systran's German Turkish food in my Chinese politics thread. So let's look at the always-great biglychee.com sure, but food chat is roughly 100 umpteen times more interesting than hk chat.
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dilbertschalter posted:sure, but food chat is roughly 100 umpteen times more interesting than hk chat. 屌你老母/gently caress off. Some poo poo went down last night as the Chairman of the Law Society was shot down by a vote of no confidence. Such a thing has never happened in the Hong Kong Law Society. The dumbass jerk who got the boot was Ambrose Lam who faced the vote after he decided to suck Communist cock: SCMP posted:The [Hong Kong Bar A]ssociation argued Beijing was mistaken in its view that judges were "administrators" like the chief executive and top officials who had a "basic political requirement" to love the country, and criticised the contention that judges should consider national security and China's interests. So in Hong Kong's British-style legal system, the Bar Association represents barristers, who do like criminal law and wiggy stuff, while the Law Society represents solicitors, who do like criminal law and boring, papery, non-wiggy stuff. That's my American understanding of it anyway. So the barristers from the get-go said Beijing can gently caress right off with its attempt to dick around with Hong Kong's judicial independence, while Ambrose Lam thought he was speaking for the solicitors when he decided to engage in boot-licking. He was wrong. And he'll have to give up his job, one way or the other. That's even after Beijing apparently tried to lend him a hand: The Standard posted:Yam revealed that, some solicitors told him they received phone calls from the central government liaison office or members of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. This is the first major victory for the pro-democracy camp since the White Paper kicked off all this insanity. The public referendum with its huge number of votes was nice, but it didn't have any immediate effect. The ouster of a Beijing crony from a position of authority that is immediately attributable to his being a Beijing boot-licker is a big deal. Even moreso because Beijing tried to pull their voter intimidation crap and still failed. Lawyers are kind of a strange animal in Hong Kong because wealthier, empowered types here are almost universally publicly patriotic. Even those who aren't in the tycoon class like managers, executives and those types tend to express more pro-government views because it's good for business. Lawyers are rich, or at least HENRY types, but tend to be much more pro-democracy. They've had their own pro-democracy marches and now they've voted out this jerk. At the most cynical level, you could say it's because their jobs depend on Hong Kong maintaining the British common law system and their getting anything done within it depends on it staying independent. A fair number of them are also not ethnic Chinese: One of the four permanent judges on the Court of Final Appeal, HK's highest court, is Roberto Alexandre Vieira Ribeiro. Syed Kemal Shah Bokhary retired from permanent judgeship on the Court to the non-permanent version in 2012, where he sits alongside The Right Honourable the Lord Collins of Mapesbury, The Right Honourable the Lord Clarke of Stone-cum-Ebony, The Right Honourable the Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, and on and on and on. In fact the only Chinese judges in Hong Kong's highest court are the three other permanents: Chief Justice Ma, and Justices Tang and Fok. Ma can be kind of a dick and Final Appeal has been known to do the government's bidding on certain sensitive issues (like overturning Right of Abode for foreign domestic workers last year), but Hong Kong's lawyers and judges are generally on our side. And it's nice that they proved as much again last night. The fact that the judiciary is here to protect us makes it hurt a bit less when the police pull poo poo like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh9GmP03nlI Police Commissioner Andy Tsang says it's really important that police officers be able to express their political opinions as private citizens. So if you see any of them running in the anti-democracy thingy on Sunday, it's totally cool guys. It's also cool when they sign that one anti-democracy petition. Funny that none of this came up before the anti-democracy stuff started. Do all police hate democracy? Or is it only okay for them to express opinions when they go along with what the government wants.
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It was a huge victory for an objective judicial system that is only loyal to the word of the law, as it should be. Also, Ambrose Lam has refused to say if he will step down. Something tells me he will try to see if somebody from the CCP will come scoop up his life raft, and they just might.
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Just to clarify on solicitor/barrister: A solicitor is who you hire to give you legal advise, do paperwork and so on. A barrister is who the solicitor hires if things are going to end up in court, defendants can't hire one directly. The basic distinction is meant to be solicitors arrange contracts, give legal advice and do all the humdrum side of legal activity. Barristers are who you need when things go wrong and people end up in front of a judge. Solicitors hate barrister because they are arrogant and charge a gently caress ton for short periods of time. Barristers hate solicitors because they're arrogant and solicitors never loving pay them on time. Bonus confusion: most systems operating on British lines have also introduced solicitor advocates who in civil (and I believe now non-serious criminal) cases can represent clients in court. Barristers are still pretty unhappy with this as it means 'clients will be receiving non-expert representation'. It's good to see that the Law society and lawyers are either dedicated enough to the ideals of rule of law or far sighted enough to realise the effect on them of that image being damaged, to take the risk of loudly and visibly standing against having HK's political and legal system totally rewritten by Beijing.
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Uh... soo... the Oriental Daily ran a full page obituary for Jimmy Lai. But he's not dead. And   Jimmy Lai owns the Apple Daily and is probably the richest and most important outspoken anti-Beijing, pro-Democracy businessman in Hong Kong. His tabloids are easily the most popular news outlets in Hong Kong, especially among the young. The pro-Beijing crowd hates his guts. They do everything they can to poison his well, trying to paint him as a puppet of Washington or something. When he's really just a libertarian motherfucker who wants Beijing out of his hair. NYT posted:It was the journalistic equivalent of putting a horse’s head in your rival’s bed. Lai Chee-ying, 65, also known as Fatty Lai and a native of Shunde in the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, had died of AIDS and cancer on Aug. 7. Since his family members were also sick, there would be no funeral. Jimmy Lai's video response on the Apple Daily website is pretty funny.
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I heard that was an internet hoax, bloodbose.
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Well it's still up on the New York Times and the Washington Post with no corrections. What do you have saying it's a hoax?
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Bloodnose posted:Well it's still up on the New York Times and the Washington Post with no corrections. What do you have saying it's a hoax? My wife! Edit: Nevermind, she said "It's fake" because Jimmy Lai's not dead. Not because it wasn't real.
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That seem a bit tasteless and childish. So you are allowed to say anyone is died of AIDS in HK? Can you say that in UK ad not get into libel trouble? Wait so whats Oriental Daily's political association? whatever7 fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Aug 16, 2014 |
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It's a Pro-Beijing version of the Apple Daily. They're a soft news tabloid but they don't talk about mainlander stuff like Apple does. As for libel... Jimmy Lai might have a case because of AIDS stigma, but it would be a longshot because it's technically not his name and they used a slightly different name for his media conglomerate and they technically didn't say he actually did anything bad except die. I do love how childish it was though HE DIED OF LIKE UH AIDS AND A BUNCH OF CANCERS.
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This just in, Rupert Morlock dead of fail aids
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Bloodnose posted:It's a Pro-Beijing version of the Apple Daily. They're a soft news tabloid but they don't talk about mainlander stuff like Apple does. THey were reading FYAD
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ALSO HE GAVE THE CANCER AIDS TO ALL HIS FAMILY AND THEY'RE TOO BUSY DYING OF CANCEROUS AIDS TO HAVE A FUNERAL.
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Lots of smugness from the pro-democracy camp today as the Anti-Occupy Central demonstration failed miserably to meet its turnout expectations.  These ones from Facebook captioned "250,000 people, huh?  " Left: this year's July 1 pro-democracy protest, Right: anti-OC rally. I'd like to see a comparison with just a normal day. Probably not much difference with the right picture. SCMP's live coverage SCMP posted:5pm: Hundreds of protesters from the Hong Kong Federation of Fujian Associations have arrived at the marches end point in Central.  Empty donation boxes For the "Run for Democracy" organized by Silent Majority, they expected a turnout of about 10,000 and the police put their official count at 880. Now the police have traditionally put their head counts much lower than pro-democracy groups during previous protests so I guess it would be nice if they were similarly deflating the figures for the anti-democracy crowd. I'm not sure I actually buy that they would though.
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Well you'll never guess where I ended up last night. An old acquaintance asked if I was free to perform for "the birthday party of some retired Royal Hong Kong Police". I actually happened to be free so I said yes. Hoo boy, was that a mistake. When I arrived, there were huge banners of the Support the Police Force Association up and people walking around in bright orange "Alliance for Justice" or "Support CY" shirts. I froze, but a gig is a gig... The crowd was older, mostly grey-hairs. The few young people were there because their parents were there, and some poor Indian teenager was trotted out as proof of inclusiveness. They were mostly retired police from the pre-handover era. One man showed me his Royal Navy Ex-Servicemen's Association card. One proudly displayed his Royal Hong Kong Regiment jacket because "today is a victory". So mostly older, conservative, without much higher education. They were friendly, though, and I smiled, nodded, and drank the free beer. During the speeches, the general gist I got was that they are Chinese Hong Kongers (in that order), a prosperous China means a prosperous Hong Kong and vice versa, and probably most important, peace and tranquility are paramount. Excepting the 1967 riots Hong Kong has been an oasis of calm in a China wracked by revolutions and upheaval and they are true believers in the ideal of stability being most important. In opposition to the western, and particularly North American ideal of freedom and right, they firmly believe the opposite: order. Now, whether they see the inherent instability in preventing change and allowing corruption to fester through unaccountable officials is a different topic, one that I thought was probably not prudent to bring up in a room full of march organisers. I politely made my exit as soon as I could and went home to be laughed at by my wife while my visiting mother in law asked where the $350 cash payout was.
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Hey folks! I'm sure this has already been answered somewhat over the past couple years this thread has been open, but are there any good, accessible books on economic forecasts for China that you think are also particularly accurate? I've been thinking of getting Michael Pettis' Avoiding the Fall, since that's been getting good reviews, but I wanted to see what some of you have to say about it.
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The only way to get a grasp on Xi's vision of China's economic is read the Eighteenth Congress Third Plenum documents a few times.
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whatever7 posted:The only way to get a grasp on Xi's vision of China's economic is read the Eighteenth Congress Third Plenum documents a few times. This is a pretty cool discussion, thanks!
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