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"What will Tony Stewart killing a man do to his brand? We'll talk to Darren Rovell but after the break, what would Johnny Manziel say about this and should he dedicate his next game to the memory of Derek Ward? Stephen A. and Skip debate. More First Take after this."
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:An NFL champion and 5x Pro Bowler turned out to be a serial rapist?
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Jackie D posted:How is it possible to have such a lack of self awareness I'm pretty sure Rovell is 100℅ aware of what he's doing, and his schtick gets him tons of Twitter followers
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Aug 10, 2014 21:17
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Aug 10, 2014 21:46
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I don't think you guys realize that Rovell is in on the joke and that you guys are simply fueling the fire by giving him attention instead of simply completely ignoring it.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:55
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Whirlwind Jones posted:I don't think you guys realize that Rovell is in on the joke and that you guys are simply fueling the fire by giving him attention instead of simply completely ignoring it.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:I don't think you guys realize that Rovell is in on the joke and that you guys are simply fueling the fire by giving him attention instead of simply completely ignoring it. He didn't used to be but I'm pretty sure he's just steering into the skid now.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:I don't think you guys realize that Rovell is in on the joke and that you guys are simply fueling the fire by giving him attention instead of simply completely ignoring it. Pretty sure people realize paying attention to Rovell isn't going to make him go away, it's just entertaining to see someone post horrible things without irony. Being outraged can be fun too, I guess.
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Aug 10, 2014 22:13
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It's not so much that Rovell is "in on the joke" as he makes a poo poo-ton of money to push the idea that corporate branding is the be-all end-all of existence, and since money is his only indicator of morality he doesn't give a poo poo about your petty concerns as long as he's getting rich. However, he's still thin-skinned enough to Internet Detective you when you call him out for being a Nazi sympathizer.
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Mornacale posted:It's not so much that Rovell is "in on the joke" as he makes a poo poo-ton of money to push the idea that corporate branding is the be-all end-all of existence, and since money is his only indicator of morality he doesn't give a poo poo about your petty concerns as long as he's getting rich. However, he's still thin-skinned enough to Internet Detective you when you call him out for being a Nazi sympathizer. It's not just that he's getting paid to do this, he's a true believer in corporate branding as the be-all end-all. That's what makes it so grating. If he acknowledged that part of his job was to pass along press releases, and yeah, it's a job, people would be way more understanding. But he doesn't, he's just an rear end about everything.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:I don't know how many people in this thread also follow auto racing, but, um, prepare yourselves for some hot loving takes when people wake up tomorrow and realize that Tony Stewart killed a fellow driver. Okay it's not even going to be the biggest story of the year. Settle down.
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Aug 11, 2014 00:20
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CBS is doing an all-female The View/PTI sort of show
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Yeah, I'm not sure what they're going for here. At best, this seems like it'll be a humanist-ish sports show for an audience that seems pretty small and quiet. At worst, it's exactly what the author thinks it is, which is a handy way to shove women away from sports broadcasting without having to own up to it.
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Anals of History posted:Yeah, I'm not sure what they're going for here. At best, this seems like it'll be a humanist-ish sports show for an audience that seems pretty small and quiet. At worst, it's exactly what the author thinks it is, which is a handy way to shove women away from sports broadcasting without having to own up to it. I think the big thing will hinge on what kind of a time slot it's given. I understand the criticism of putting it on CBS Sports Network but there wasn't really any chance this was going to go on the broadcast network (plus, where would you put it?). It still really smacks of that "here, put all the women in one place. Now we're diverse!" thing the author is getting at, though.
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It's mostly because they're a fledgling fourth place sports network desperately looking for a hook and there are really no male-oriented ways for them to go at this point that won't be horribly derivative of much better options. This will probably fail but I'm sure it's being done primarily because it's really the only way for them to be different at this point. e: and so far it has worked because when's the last time anyone gave the slightest poo poo about CBS Sports Network programming.
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I imagine that most women who care at all about sports are already watching ESPN channels, so what exactly is the point of this? To see if they can get lower ratings than FoxSports2?
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skaboomizzy posted:I imagine that most women who care at all about sports are already watching ESPN channels, so what exactly is the point of this? To see if they can get lower ratings than FoxSports2? If the hosts are personable enough to be a View/PTI crossbreed- compared to just another sport blather like Cowherd- then it has value comparable to what otherwise exists. But once a real, women-affecting sports-issue cross their desk, you'll see if the show is worth their salt. Because hearing more than just another sedentary male suit and tie deliver commentary about Ray Rice or Title IX in the wake of the new NCAA division would move the needle.
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Groucho Marxist posted:There was no rule in the book that said a dog couldn't play basketball. Giraffe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcMSpRpEs0Y
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The FS1 all-female show would work if they did segments that wouldn't look out of place on SportsCenter, PTI, etc. Which of course they won't because Murdoch's network has no restraint.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:The FS1 all-female show would work if they did segments that wouldn't look out of place on SportsCenter, PTI, etc. It's going on CBS Sports Network, not FS1
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I have to ask what the point of Rembert Browne writing a first person account of his time in Ferguson has anything to do with the type of content Grantland produces. I"m not questioning the content or tone of the article. But simply why should it be published as the top story on Grantland right now? http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/
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soggybagel posted:I have to ask what the point of Rembert Browne writing a first person account of his time in Ferguson has anything to do with the type of content Grantland produces. I"m not questioning the content or tone of the article. But simply why should it be published as the top story on Grantland right now? Some things transcend sports. I think a paramilitary police action against unarmed protesters (after an unarmed black kid was gunned down by a white cop), local homeowners, and journalists severe enough that the President, US Attorney General, a sitting US Senator qualifies.
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Aug 15, 2014 08:59
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It doesn't seem to have anything in particular to do with Grantland but with the direction of the site giving writers leeway as long as they think it's worth reading it kind of fits? They probably just felt that a regularish guy who writes about poo poo like the Teen Choice Awards and Hard Knocks had an interesting view of a really loving huge story and went with it. Unless he's lying through his teeth it doesn't sound like he went there on assignment or anything.
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skaboomizzy posted:Some things transcend sports. I think a paramilitary police action against unarmed protesters (after an unarmed black kid was gunned down by a white cop), local homeowners, and journalists severe enough that the President, US Attorney General, a sitting US Senator qualifies. There are many things that transcend sports and general pop culture. But what exactly does any of that have to do with the editorial boundaries on Grantland which up to this point, I can't recall them ever handling an event like this or delivering an article that ostensibly has nothing to do with sport or pop culture. I've pretty much been visiting the site multiple times a day since its launch a few years ago. It just feels off. I am sure I sound like a grump and this is saying nothing about the content of the article by Browne, merely that I have plenty of other outlets I go to to read about such things. However, if this is a direction that Grantland is genuinely interested in pursuing I have no issue with it either. It just feels like a departure.
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soggybagel posted:There are many things that transcend sports and general pop culture. But what exactly does any of that have to do with the editorial boundaries on Grantland which up to this point, I can't recall them ever handling an event like this or delivering an article that ostensibly has nothing to do with sport or pop culture. I've pretty much been visiting the site multiple times a day since its launch a few years ago. It just feels off. It's not a departure for Grantland's stable of younger writers, who frequently write about issues of racism and sexism in the pop culture beats they cover, and it's not a departure for Rembert in particular, who wrote an entire travel diary series for the website last summer.
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I don't see a pop culture hook here. And the travel diary had strong grantland related hooks. He's stopping at burning man, he's covering Kevin Durant, going to a 2 chainz birthday party and so on. The thing is, they can do whatever the want. If they want to publish a 15,000 word article on the current ebola situation, or the threat of a complete civil war in Iraq they can do that. I only brought this up not because I'm angry, but more that I thought this was completely different than anything I'd ever seen before on Grantland and thought it didn't really have a place. It felt tonally in the wrong place. Like it should be on Slate or something. soggybagel fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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I guess it might be different if the only thing you read on Grantland is Bill Barnwell and Zach Lowe and Jonah Keri covering their respective sports, but Rembert Browne and the other youngish-writers on the site really do write about this stuff very frequently. Rembert posts a lot about goofy Beyonce articles, but he's never distanced himself from the fact that he's a black man writing about a black music industry in a country that has issues with both of those things. He writes about racial issues and perspectives a lot in his stories, just like Emily Yoshida, Tess Lynch, Molly Lambert, Wesley Morris and several others write about sexism or racism in their respective areas of expertise. I guess if you don't read any of those people you'd be surprised? But it's certainly understandable that the site, which covers several sports where black men produce hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars in revenue each year, would give space to a young writer who writes eloquently on this sudden, shocking racist incident
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Stop acting like I'm blind to how Grantland operates. I already said I read the site every day and have since 2011. I subscribe to both the Grantland Sports and Pop Culture feeds and listen to Girls in Hoodies, Do You like Prince Movies, Hollywood Prospectus, and even The Right Reasons. I'm familiar with the works of Yoshida, Lynch, Lisante and so on. I've met and even spoke with Lisante and Jay Caspian Kang who's departure I dearly miss. I'm also a Lowe acolyte. I listen to Men In Blazers every week. I still subscribe but skip a lot of the B.S. report these days. I now sound like a massive dickhead but I'm trying to lay down my Grantland bonafides. I think you're missing my point a bit here too. Grantland, in particular on the pop culture side is not afraid to talk about sexuality or race. The Girls in Hoodies talk about it every week. The lack of women and minorities in popular entertainment has been talked about. Yoshida talked about it in her GTA V piece which of course got the internet nerds all riled up. I'm not blind to the fact that several major sports are built on the backs of talent that is predominantly black. My whole point in bringing this up wasn't that I was SHOCKED or APPALLED that they dare bring in these yucky weird societal questions like race or sexuality into my precious world of sports and pop culture. It was that this Rembert piece in particularly felt tonally like something I've never seen on Grantland before. I'm not approaching this piece with the mindset that it is problematic or offends me. Merely from a outside editorial position it felt like nothing i've ever seen on Grantland before. This was stripped of all framing. This isn't the Miami Heat responding to Trayvon Martin. This was purely a first hand account of the awful events in Ferguson. The why I'm asking was more a rhetorical "i wonder what grantland may do in the future?" I'd love to see well written pieces on all manner of subjects but I think that it falls outside of Grantlands standard articles. In this specific situation it hits less on pop culture or sport which is not present, but rather a much deeper darker vein of the American life. soggybagel fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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An editorial focus should always be flexible if you think a story is interesting or important enough.
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Rembert Browne is a staff writer, he's probably under contract to give Grantland first look at anything he writes on spec. It's a good piece about an important event and they want to support their writers. Of course they're going to publish it rather than see it on Gawker or the awl.
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It's a good piece and people need to read it. If this makes people do that, who gives a single gently caress if it "fits" Grantland or not.
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I think it is good if a website publishes a story that is good.
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It's really no different than the piece by the same writer about visiting Detroit last year. He's paid to do those kinds of articles.
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soggybagel posted:I don't see a pop culture hook here. That's quite a first reaction to the goings-on in Ferguson you got there.
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Crion posted:That's quite a first reaction to the goings-on in Ferguson you got there. Yep. This was literally my first reaction to what was happening there. Also, I agree with you all that a good story is a good story and ultimately it's a great thing that Grantland is editorially flexible enough (which it is) to run with quality stuff. So sorry if the burr up my rear end rubbed people the wrong way last night.
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I know what soggy bagel means, I wouldn't want to see an article about Israel and the Gaza Strip on Grantland, no matter how well written it was. edit This is not a reflection or complaint about the article itself, I read it and I have no complaints Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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you got real life issues in my sports and pop culture!
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The Verge does it too and it's always a little weird to me - but WAY less weird than Polygon trying to relate this to Watch Dogs. Note: weird is not the same as offensive!
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The good thing about the Ferguson article on the Grantland Sports & Pop Culture website is that it has nothing to do with sports or pop culture. That sounds sarcastic but I mean it. Entertainment and hobby sites delving into serious real life issues is almost always painful because it's either making some really forced tie-in to the site's usual subject matter or some banal poo poo about how everything has really been put in perspective. As a sports/pop culture site Grantland is obviously under no obligation to put up an article on the matter but if they were going to I'm glad they did a serious one instead of something completely trite or myopic. not sports journalism, but an example of the opposite: 
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