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Smekerman posted:As far as prog rock albums go, it's pretty conservative, clocking in at 45 minutes long. I'd place it alongside Thick as a Brick as one of their best, though I can see how it'd turn people off. It's a lot denser and kind of relentless and I remember feeling like the only parts I could remember were The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles part and the bits immediately before and after. I kept listening to it, though, and at some point it all just clicked. If you're not into it yet, I'd maybe take this opportunity to give the remixed album a few attentive listens with headphones and see how you feel about it. I got into a shitload of albums that I otherwise would've written off that way. That's the thing about the Steve Wilson remixes, it's not so much that the remixes are awesome (they are), but that you're revisiting the albums and viewing them in a new light. I hated Lizard when I first heard it (what? no Greg Lake? Who's this weird Gordon guy? This all so strange sounding? It's different! I don't like change!), but after re-listening to it a few times, I grew to love the album. It had already become one of my favorite King Crimson albums by the time Steve Wilson remixed it, so I wasn't as impressed by the remix as some of the other people who were hearing it in a new light, but it's still pretty cool hearing what he does with it.
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So I'm just comparing a few songs off the Chateau d'Isaster sessions from Nightcap to the Steven Wilson remaster. Holy poo poo, the difference is dramatic. He drops a bunch most of the dubbed-in flute parts (maybe all of them?) and he makes it sound like they're not playing in a cave anymore. These songs are actually listenable and enjoyable now. They also sound a lot rawer and more rocken than they ever sounded on Nightcap.
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I agree with most of this, though I dig "The Game" fine as well. To be honest I do like the songs themselves and I think that the songwriting is above average for post-90125 Yes, but the songs are just SO SLOW, hearing Squire's bass just slowly rattle in the background is rather sad. Also I think it's kind of lovely of the band to recruit a new singer and then saddle him with writing most of the material. He does well (his work in Glass Hammer shows he's plenty capable) but still...
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Optimum Gulps posted:This is a little late, but I was thinking about it while listening to that album again and remembered The Trees Community. some other zeuhl worth checking out is Weidorje(magma off shoot, only one self titled album) and Ruins(guy from Koenjihyakkei doing crazy drumming and yelling a lot)
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Free Cog posted:On a slightly related note, I've come to realize that my favorite kind of prog has an intense sound, with jazz influences being a bonus. I'm thinking of stuff like Van Der Graff Generator, King Crimson's jazzier instrumental sections and Red, and Yes's Relayer, especially Sound Chaser. What bands or musicians should I be looking into to get deeper into that kind of sound? You might like Area from Italy(everyone should listen to this album because it rules): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GExII0ddGRs Also maybe some of Henry Cow's earlier stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwoJ3-_wZOI
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Re: Area, I've got Arbeit Macht Frei and Crac! but was wondering where to go from there. I haven't totally fallen in love with them yet, but they strike me as a band, like Magma, who probably never had a bad album. How's their live material?
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Rollersnake posted:Re: Area, I've got Arbeit Macht Frei and Crac! but was wondering where to go from there. I haven't totally fallen in love with them yet, but they strike me as a band, like Magma, who probably never had a bad album. How's their live material? I liked Caution Radiation Area as well. Can't comment on their live stuff because I haven't listened to it either.
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Aug 4, 2014 02:49
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Thought I'd bump the thread with a little request. Recently I realised that apart from occasional duets, back vocals and rock/metal operas, my prog collection is almost devoid of female vocals. Anything besides Gathering and Lana Lane that I should be aware of?
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Paladinus posted:Thought I'd bump the thread with a little request. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caIM8e5m4u8
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I've heard this song a couple of times before on radio, but for some reason it never occurred to me to look it up. It's really up my alley. Cheers for that. Also, a nice username/content combo, I guess.
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Two more great female-fronted bands, from kind of the opposite sides of the prog spectrum. Curved Air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ52wZFdaKE Thinking Plague https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxVLRX3GFQ
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Paladinus posted:Thought I'd bump the thread with a little request. Renaissance is usually the first to come to mind. http://youtu.be/XbBOS7HosaY Strawbs also had Sandy Denny before she joined Fairport Convention and recorded the awesome Battle of Evermore for Led Zeppelin. She was more of a folk gal though. http://youtu.be/3ycaoV0WXfk Speaking of folk, I always felt that Joni Mitchell had a little prog in her. http://youtu.be/JGMzuo6jwjU Loved her jazz influenced stuff from blue, court and spark too. Okay maybe it's not prog, but is it a stretch to call it prog related? http://youtu.be/XOEE-kR-Txg What about Andrew Lloyd Weber? A Rock Opera like Jesus Christ Superstar definitely has some prog elements. Or maybe it's just the 70s sound that makes it sound like prog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc Then again, Roger Waters said Andrew Lloyd Weber ripped off his "Let There Be More Light" riff and made it the main riff of JCS Let's compare Let There Be More Light https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tr-0LgKreg Heaven On Their Minds http://youtu.be/W_hlGtZalhs Sort of close, but I wouldnt' call it it a rip off. What about Roger's claim that Weber ripped off Pink Floyd's Echoes for Phantom of the Opera? Echoes (19 minutes and 56 seconds in) http://youtu.be/xmADpBu_ZCA?t=19m56s Phantom http://youtu.be/Ej1zMxbhOO0 That's a bit closer. But then again, it's pretty much a descending and ascending chromatic scale, so you can't say he "ripped it off". Anyway, I'm way off topic now. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 19:30
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A lot of people like Kate Bush. I'm not one of them but you might be.
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Iucounu posted:A lot of people like Kate Bush. I'm not one of them but you might be. Yeah, you have obvious choices like Curved Air and Renaissance. But after that it gets a little more difficult to find female vocalists in prog unless you expand your definition of prog passed your comfort zone a bit. There's blackmore's night, which is very renaissance influenced, but not quite the same. http://youtu.be/wsPDQ1Mtk6s There are some symphonic metal bands, like within temptation, that have a renaissance influence too. They sometimes get categorized with bands like evanescence (which is also piano based hard rock, but has an emo tinge that is poison to a lot of people. http://youtu.be/OANzvyB_fQk I think the most interesting artists are the ones, like Kate Bush, who were songwriters in their own right and were progressive in the true sense. Tori Amos and Bjork immediately come to mind, both influenced by Kate Bush. But there were lots of great female artists and songwriters from the 60s that had that same "progressive" mindset. For example, the aforementioned Joni Mitchell, and also the late great Laura Nyro who penned so many great songs like And When I Die which was covered by the fusion band Blood Sweat and Tears. And, of course, Grace Slick from Jefferson Airplaine. I feel like there are a lot of Indie bands that overlap into prog territory too and often feature female vocalists. I also feel like Indie, as a genre, is the same idea progressive in the basic sense of the word, as is alternative (ie challenging boundaries of mainstream music). One that comes to mind is The Decemberists. The Hazards of Love is a concept album that has one male and two female vocalists. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Thanks everyone for suggestions. I've got a week worth of new music and that's awesome. I've got to say, I noticed a trend here in that the majority of names are from seventies. Hm... Gianthogweed posted:Renaissance is usually the first to come to mind. Re Webber, I'm not exactly an ALW fan, but I have a penchant for covers, tributes, rearrangements, etc., so I've probably heard JCS in all possible languages and with at least five different English-speaking casts. I really liked Sebastian Bach as Jesus, and it's a shame he later went on to butcher Jekyll and Hide, but I digress. Never heard about plagiarism allegations, so that was a nice piece of trivia, thanks. Rollersnake posted:Two more great female-fronted bands, from kind of the opposite sides of the prog spectrum. Iucounu posted:A lot of people like Kate Bush. I'm not one of them but you might be. Gianthogweed posted:Yeah, you have obvious choices like Curved Air and Renaissance. But after that it gets a little more difficult. You have into sort of expand your definition of prog passed your comfort zone a bit and go by the original definition of "progressive" of challenging the genres boundaries. There are plenty of great female artists like Kate Bush who are part of the Art rock / art pop grouping definitely prog related. Tori Amos and Bjork come to mind. Lots of great artists and songwriters from the 60s. The aforementioned Joni Mitchell, also the late great Laura Nyro that penned so many great songs like "And When I Die" that was covered by the fusion band Blood Sweat and Tears.
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Paladinus posted:Thanks everyone for suggestions. I've got a week worth of new music and that's awesome. I'm kind of edit happy when I think of new things, so check back at my post from time to time. I add stuff. Check out The Island by decemberists when you're done with hazards. Very reminiscent of early 70s prog. http://youtu.be/QuEQxhP-Zmo Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Paladinus posted:Not a big fan of old-timey synths like that, but everything else about Curved Air sounds interesting. They're generally not a super synth-heavy band, even on Air Cut—which is a little more mainstream and features Eddie Jobson. Their earlier albums are very much in an orchestral symphonic rock vein. I love the hell out of Air Cut, but I know I'm in the minority there. I wouldn't recommend the albums after Air Cut at all. Paladinus posted:I like some of her songs. Tried to dig a bit deeper and it was really hit and miss with me. When she's good she's really good, but most songs just don't click with me. Definitely check out Aerial if you haven't already. I think it's one of Bush's best albums, if not her best, but I don't think it got the same attention her earlier work did. It's rather subdued and melancholy for the most part, and builds to a raucous, joyous conclusion that's just amazing. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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You may want to check out Anathema, who use both male and female vocals, as well as te Devin Townsend stuff featuring Anneke Van Giersbergen, some Ayreon and maybe Pure Reason Revolution.
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Annie Haslam (renaissance) is probably my top favourite vocalist of all time. Her voice is just so impossibly clear.
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Resnaissance is a fantastic band and all the albums I have by them (Scheherazade, Ashes Are Burning, Turn of the Cards) are great. Glass Hammer sometimes has female vocals, but probably not enough for what you're after. The other day I was at HMV getting some of the CDs I can't get on itunes. The cashier next to mine looked over and said, "wow, lots of prog." So I gave him a Prog Brotherhood Fist Bump. Truly, progressive rock is the nerdiest music 
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Paladinus posted:Thought I'd bump the thread with a little request. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fd_7unOj4A
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Not exactly prog, but if you're going down the Kate Bush path, you can't go wrong with St. Vincent. Maybe Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins or My Bloody Valentine?
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Allen Wren posted:Not exactly prog, but if you're going down the Kate Bush path, you can't go wrong with St. Vincent. Maybe Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins or My Bloody Valentine? and if that takes you into neoclassical territory, Black Tape for a Blue Girl
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alnilam posted:Annie Haslam (renaissance) is probably my top favourite vocalist of all time. Her voice is just so impossibly clear. ....then enjoy her and Steve Howe playing Turn of the Century from Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XqGmz8_Pis
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FrankenVader posted:....then enjoy her and Steve Howe playing Turn of the Century from Yes That from Tales from Yesterday - A Tribute to Yes which came out in 1994. Pretty much the same group of people did a tribute album to Genesis around the same time an Annie Haslam did Ripples. http://youtu.be/fQU9D45S-vo
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Greetings from Three of a Perfect Pair Camp 2014!
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I just want to chime in my newfound love of prog (facilitated by Yes albums, specifically Fragile and In the Court of the Crimson King). So far I think I have to say my favorite tracks are Tarkus/Supper's Ready. Such rich music and I feel profoundly lucky to be able to experience it.
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My favorite newer prog band is Phideaux. Are there any similar bands that people would recommend? I also just discovered Gazpacho and got their Night album, which owns real hard. I love mellow prog.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I just want to chime in my newfound love of prog (facilitated by Yes albums, specifically Fragile and In the Court of the Crimson King). So far I think I have to say my favorite tracks are Tarkus/Supper's Ready. Such rich music and I feel profoundly lucky to be able to experience it.
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Oh come on, it's cute!  He's learning how to be a prog nerd...maybe we can issue him a Prog Brotherhood Initiate badge or something
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I've heard the new Opeth album is pure prog rock without any of the growling/death metal crap. It's not officially out yet but  August 25th can't come soon enough.
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It is, but Opeth are also much better at the "growling/death metal crap" than at prog rock. It's better than Heritage, though.
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New Opeth is growing on me. It's nice to hear Martin Lopez drumming with them again on a couple tracks.
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tankadillo posted:My favorite newer prog band is Phideaux. Are there any similar bands that people would recommend? Big Big Train is somewhat similar, The Underfall Yard is a good place to start with them.
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Just a heads up on previous recommendations. So far I'm hooked on Renaissance and The Decembrists. Fusion is something I tend to enjoy in music and both bands really deliver on that front. Renaissance is amazing at fusing baroque/classical music with prog rock, while The Decembrist mix blues, country, folk, hard rock and some other genres with progressive elements. And while The Decembrists aren't that heavy on female vocals as I'd want to, Hazards of Love is a fantastic album both thematically and musically, so thanks for introducing me to them. I would also like to add Landmarq to the list. Damian Wilson used to sing there in the early nineties, but ultimately was replaced by Tracy Hitchings who truly deserves to be mentioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg005WzCWmI
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Henchman of Santa posted:It is, but Opeth are also much better at the "growling/death metal crap" than at prog rock. It's better than Heritage, though. they were never very good at death metal either tbh.
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They were never really a death metal band in the first place, but they had a pretty amazing streak.
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I dig Morningrise a good deal, but overall I think Ne Obliviscaris do a better job of being Opeth than Opeth ever did.
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NeO owns but I don't think they're all that similar. Their influences lean way more toward black metal and they've got that whole violin thing going.
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For sure, but as progressive metal bands with harsh vocals and frequent acoustic/metal switchups, they've got a lot of Opeth's distinctive traits. It's not really possible to argue that they didn't take a good deal of inspiration, even if their spin on the formula is unique. I'd also argue they have some level of aesthetic similarity, but I don't listen to too much later Opeth so I'm not going to make an authoritative statement on that.
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