More for Less: MikroTik Talk

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PUBLIC TOILET: Jun 13, 2009

Anyone using one of the non-WiFi RouterBoards with a Cisco AP unit for WiFi access? If so, what models are you using and have you encountered any issues?

# ? Aug 15, 2014 22:26

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# ? May 15, 2024 23:43

falz: Jan 29, 2005; 01100110 01100001 01101100 01111010

So all they do is test if it boots with the firmware? Testing only "on a stick" is pretty useless.

# ? Aug 15, 2014 23:07

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

I love how they screwed up racking those shelves properly and mounted each one at the half-U marks.

# ? Aug 16, 2014 01:06

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

CrazyLittle posted:

I love how they screwed up racking those shelves properly and mounted each one at the half-U marks.

Cut MikroTik some slack. After all, they just started producing rack-mounted devices, so they're still getting the hang of these rack standards from the distant past of tube-based radio gear and telco installations.

# ? Aug 16, 2014 01:06

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

falz posted:

So all they do is test if it boots with the firmware? Testing only "on a stick" is pretty useless.

Sounds about right.

# ? Aug 16, 2014 01:18

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

I'm pretty sure they test by seeing if one of them boots and then going 'eh, good enough!'

Of course I am sure it's just like 10 guys tops doing all of this, so I don't blame them. They probably get paid way more than I do and also gets awesome Latvian socialist healthcare and everything for their taxes!

# ? Aug 16, 2014 01:35

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

CrazyLittle posted:

Cut MikroTik some slack. After all, they just started producing rack-mounted devices, so they're still getting the hang of these rack standards from the distant past of tube-based radio gear and telco installations.

I'm still lol'ing at how the above is supposed to be a valid excuse for a hardware manufacturer.

# ? Aug 16, 2014 03:10

NOTinuyasha: Oct 17, 2006; The Great Twist

CrazyLittle posted:

Cut MikroTik some slack.

code:

What's new in 6.10 (2014-Feb-12 13:46):

*) ovpn - make it work again;

# ? Aug 16, 2014 05:06

feld: Feb 11, 2008; Out of nowhere its.....

Feldman

writing test suites is hard

:qq:

# ? Aug 17, 2014 17:33

PUBLIC TOILET: Jun 13, 2009

PUBLIC TOILET posted:

Anyone using one of the non-WiFi RouterBoards with a Cisco AP unit for WiFi access? If so, what models are you using and have you encountered any issues?

Anyone?

# ? Aug 19, 2014 23:41

CuddleChunks: Sep 18, 2004

PUBLIC TOILET posted:

Anyone?

You mean like an RB750 wired router or one of the cloud core router thingies?

I suppose we have several ancient Cisco WAPs out in the field that have yet to be replaced that talk through a MikroTik that's handling bridging and routing and other duties for the unit. What's your question?

# ? Aug 19, 2014 23:54

PUBLIC TOILET: Jun 13, 2009

CuddleChunks posted:

You mean like an RB750 wired router or one of the cloud core router thingies?

I suppose we have several ancient Cisco WAPs out in the field that have yet to be replaced that talk through a MikroTik that's handling bridging and routing and other duties for the unit. What's your question?

I have the RB951G-2HnD now, but WiFi quality went straight to hell when I had a Chromecast on the network. Sold the Chromecast and now I'm looking at getting a new one. I'm afraid of running into the same WiFi issues once more. Some research seems to indicate that the Chromecast (when actively streaming), will consume the majority of WiFi bandwidth thus choking other WiFi devices. Will getting a non-WiFi Mikrotik and connecting it to a separate AP be the best way to go in this case? That is, if I experience issues again with the new Chromecast? I can get my hands on a Cisco Meraki AP but I don't know if that's going to work, or if that's overkill.

# ? Aug 20, 2014 06:06

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

Yes it's overkill. Truthfully, the only thing a meraki (or any fancy enterprise AP) will get you is a few more options and centralized provisioning control, guest portals built-in, etc. The chromecast probably ate up all your wifi throughput because it had a slower connection to the AP, and therefore consumed a large amount of air-time to accomplish the same thing that other devices could do in half the time with a better connection. Streaming from one wifi device to another wifi device effectively cuts your throughput in half again, because now the traffic has to go in to the AP and out again to the other device.

Your best bet is to stream from a wired device, or have a second AP for other non-chromecast streaming traffic.

# ? Aug 20, 2014 06:22

falz: Jan 29, 2005; 01100110 01100001 01101100 01111010

Or just use some WiFi scanning app to see how lovely the WiFi frequencies are and set your AP on the cleanest channel. 5ghz should give you choices here.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 00:26

PUBLIC TOILET: Jun 13, 2009

falz posted:

Or just use some WiFi scanning app to see how lovely the WiFi frequencies are and set your AP on the cleanest channel. 5ghz should give you choices here.

Been there, done that. One of my thoughts was if I get a new, separate AP, then go with 5ghz. The built-in one with this MikroTik is only 2.4ghz. The Chromecast is WiFi only so a hard line is not going to work for it.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 03:35

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

The Chromecast is 2.4ghz 802.11b/g/n only, so 5ghz won't help much with that. Your streaming source device can be mitigated by putting it on 5ghz or using it on a hard-line.

CrazyLittle fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Aug 21, 2014

# ? Aug 21, 2014 06:49

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

Why not look into some other device similar to the Chomecast but with a wire?

# ? Aug 21, 2014 14:57

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

I take it SFP modules can't be switched together? I'll have to use a software bridge?

On this CCR model with 12 SFP ports there isn't even an option in the interface to set a master port to them.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 16:08

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

Looks like it. There isn't a block diagram for that model, but on the other CCR models it shows every port connected directly to the CPU instead of through a switch chip.

If they did have a switch chip like the models I'm familiar with it would mean a group of ports sharing a single gigabit link to the CPU.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 17:50

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

thebigcow posted:

Looks like it. There isn't a block diagram for that model, but on the other CCR models it shows every port connected directly to the CPU instead of through a switch chip.

If they did have a switch chip like the models I'm familiar with it would mean a group of ports sharing a single gigabit link to the CPU.

It sucks that I'll have to software bridge it but on a CCR I wonder how fast that would be due to the beefer CPU. I've always just assumed software bridging is much, much slower than switch chip stuff.

The router only has a 350-500Mbps uplink connection via radio, so the bridging slower speeds probably don't matter.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 19:23

Methylethylaldehyde: Oct 23, 2004; BAKA BAKA

jeeves posted:

It sucks that I'll have to software bridge it but on a CCR I wonder how fast that would be due to the beefer CPU. I've always just assumed software bridging is much, much slower than switch chip stuff.

The router only has a 350-500Mbps uplink connection via radio, so the bridging slower speeds probably don't matter.

Apparently when the software bridging is set up for a CPU more or less designed for IP routing, it's pretty stupid fast.

A 9 core CCR can software bridge at like 3+ Gb/sec.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 19:51

Quebec Bagnet: Apr 28, 2009; mess with the honk
you get the bonk; Lipstick Apathy

New newsletter, new gear: http://download2.mikrotik.com/news/news_61.pdf

Tiny access points! 802.11ac router! I don't understand why the CRS109 is marketed as a switch if it's running RouterOS, isn't it just a router with a lot of ports?

# ? Aug 23, 2014 20:04

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

chmods please posted:

New newsletter, new gear: http://download2.mikrotik.com/news/news_61.pdf

Tiny access points! 802.11ac router! I don't understand why the CRS109 is marketed as a switch if it's running RouterOS, isn't it just a router with a lot of ports?

All CRS models are marketed as switches, probably because all of the ports go into a single switch chip or something. It's a level 3 switch which is sort of like a router or something I never really understand it.

# ? Aug 23, 2014 20:07

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

They have a new switch chip and a special menu just for configuring it. No idea how good it is.

# ? Aug 24, 2014 00:00

Quebec Bagnet: Apr 28, 2009; mess with the honk
you get the bonk; Lipstick Apathy

Oh, interesting. I've only used the switch functionality on the RB1100 and it seemed fine, is this one supposed to perform better?

# ? Aug 24, 2014 20:19

unknown: Nov 16, 2002; Ain't got no stinking title yet!

chmods please posted:

Oh, interesting. I've only used the switch functionality on the RB1100 and it seemed fine, is this one supposed to perform better?

extra features - mostly related to doing vlan trunking and the like. (tag add/drop/change). Useful for isp market and termination of circuits, not so useful for the regular market.

# ? Aug 24, 2014 21:27

BurgerQuest: Mar 17, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I'd like to mess around with a wired/wireless captive portal/hotspot backing onto FreeRADIUS for AAA. Mikrotik seem like a good starting point for this, but I'm a bit lost as to choosing a model to start with? Budget would be around $150AUD. It doesn't need to have an integrated wireless chipset, traffic from the wireless network will be routed to it.

# ? Aug 25, 2014 04:09

CuddleChunks: Sep 18, 2004

If you don't need gigabit then a cheapie RB750 will work just fine. It should be the easiest way to get a MikroTik platform to fool around with and it has plenty of power for shuffling packets around.

# ? Aug 25, 2014 06:56

BurgerQuest: Mar 17, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Thanks! I see the RB951-2n is apparently just a 750 with wifi? The price difference from where I'm buying is minimal, any disadvantage in getting the 951?

# ? Aug 25, 2014 07:48

CuddleChunks: Sep 18, 2004

BurgerQuest posted:

Thanks! I see the RB951-2n is apparently just a 750 with wifi? The price difference from where I'm buying is minimal, any disadvantage in getting the 951?

No disadvantage that I can think of. You can then fool around with MikroTik wifi if you want.

# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:10

mAlfunkti0n: May 19, 2004; Fallen Rib

We are doing filtering with layer 7 and have been able to block all sites except a certain few for a public wifi system, however, we would like to allow the app stores for iOS/Android/Windows Phone. Has anyone run into this? I am having trouble defining the regex to allow this.

# ? Aug 25, 2014 20:44

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

I have been playing around with this CCR for a job and I can't get something basic like a bunch of SFP ports to work together in a bridge group-- something that works on a CRS when I try similar code.

I have the 12 SFP port CCR1016-12S-1S+, and I would like to try to add sfp2 through sfp12 to a bridge group to share one subnet, so that a CRS or other router can be plugged in to the other end of the SFP and use an address in the bridge port's subnet.

This doesn't seem to work on this CCR model, whereas it works on a Cloud Router Switch (CRS) if I change the interfaces from sfp to ether.

code:

### CCR-SFP-TEST.POP (CCR)

### sfp1 = Uplink: 10.1.1.2/30, GW: 10.1.1.1

# Uplink to WAN #1/2: add IP address for uplink to WAN
/ip address add address=10.1.1.2/30 interface=sfp1 network=10.1.1.0 comment="Uplink"
/interface ethernet set sfp1 comment="Uplink"

# Uplink to WAN #2/2: add WAN route for the upstream gateway
/ip route
add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.1.1.1 comment="Uplink"

### sfp2-sfp12 = infrastructure bridge group localLAN: 192.168.1.1/24

# Infrastructure bridge group #1/3: create a bridge named localLAN
/interface bridge
add name=localLAN l2mtu=1588 disabled=no comment="Infrastructure bridge group (sfp2-sfp12)"

# Infrastructure bridge group #2/3: add bridge ports of sfp2-sfp12 to the new bridge
/interface bridge port
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp2
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp3
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp4
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp5
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp6
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp7
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp8
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp9
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp10
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp11
add bridge=localLAN interface=sfp12

# Infrastructure bridge group #3/3: add an IP to the bridge
/ip address
add address=192.168.1.1/24 interface=localLAN network=192.168.1.0 comment="Infrastructure bridge group"

If I try to put my laptop or another router into one of the sfp ports in the bridge group above with the IP address 192.168.1.2 or such, it doesn't work.

When I put the code above to work on a CRS (but change sfp1-12 to ether1-12), it works perfectly. Why is this? Do bridge ports / bridge groups work differently on CCRs? Am I missing something super simple?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 04:17

I am not a book: Mar 9, 2013

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 750GL. I absolutely need wifi though, is there a suggested AP besides an Apple product?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 04:19

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

I am not a book posted:

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 750GL. I absolutely need wifi though, is there a suggested AP besides an Apple product?

Use anything. 750GL is like the gold standard of Mikrotiks, you can't go wrong. I've used like dozens of them all over my work's network.

Just know you can connect via MAC address since it has no serial port.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 04:59

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

jeeves posted:

CCR

Seems like it should work. Are you sure your SFP is working? Can you ping the CCR itself? Any errors in the log? Can you print the config as its running and paste it here?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 05:53

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

thebigcow posted:

Seems like it should work. Are you sure your SFP is working? Can you ping the CCR itself? Any errors in the log? Can you print the config as its running and paste it here?

I'll work on it tomorrow. The funny thing is that weird things are going on with the CCR-- it doesn't detect an SFP module that my CRS defintily does, and now the last 3 lights for SFP9-12 are online even though nothing is in the ports.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 06:44

BurgerQuest: Mar 17, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I am not a book posted:

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 750GL. I absolutely need wifi though, is there a suggested AP besides an Apple product?

I'll be hooking up Ubiquiti PicoStation(s) to my 750 that's on it's way. Also have a few Cisco (Linksys) WAP4410N's floating around at the moment too.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 06:48

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

jeeves posted:

I'll work on it tomorrow. The funny thing is that weird things are going on with the CCR-- it doesn't detect an SFP module that my CRS defintily does, and now the last 3 lights for SFP9-12 are online even though nothing is in the ports.

Maybe you just have a bad unit.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:25

jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

thebigcow posted:

Maybe you just have a bad unit.

I am hoping. I am glad that we had ordered a shelf spare that I am doing a lab with now.

I also realized I updated the first unit to the newest firmware-- not remembering that CCRs are like way more buggy on new firmware then RB750s/CRS125s that I have been using for a year+ now. My lab is using the 6.11 firmware they shipped with.

I'm going to guess it is entirely a firmware issue :mikrotik:

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:51

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# ? May 15, 2024 23:43

thebigcow: Jan 3, 2001; Bully!

I'm not sure if this will work or if I need to buy another AP. I have a sort of L shaped building, demarc with our DSL connection and most of the rooms at are one end, large shared space at the other. Running wires isn't practical in this building so I bought a pair of RB2011 and planned some kind of bridge between the two.

I have an RB2011 at the end with internet set up as an AP. I configured a virtual AP on that unit with its own IP and the appropriate routes, then configured the other RB2011 as a station. Everything worked great from a wired connection on the second RB2011. I went to set a virtual AP on that unit but never saw an SSID. The wiki says:

quote:

Virtual AP interface will only work if master interface is in ap-bridge, bridge or wds-slave mode. This property is only for virtual AP interfaces.

If I reconfigure the main interface on both to one of the bridge options and then set virtual APs for everything else will that work? My plan B is stick a Unifi AP in the celing and wire it in to the second RB2011. I may do that even if I could make this work just to get everything off the same frequency.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 19:36

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