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iostream.h
Mar 14, 2006
I want your happy place to slap you as it flies by.

comes along bort posted:

That and costing an arm and a leg, two arms and a leg if you get the pedalboard.
Welp, congratulations, I'm feeling a little queasy now.

I thought 'well hell, let's actually compare my (generally) standard live rig v/s an AxeFx with an MFC'.
I stopped at my pedalboard, that's enough for me tonight.
Not counting sales taxes where appropriate or whatever, but $2905 including the board and both power supplies.

That's not counting my rack or my MIDI controller.
loving hell.

comes along bort posted:

Also lol at running it straight to PA. Relying on dipshit sound guys just got even more fun.
True, although in all fairness a lovely sound guy is a lovely sound guy regardless of what I'm playing through.
The number of times I hear 'Dude how the gently caress are you playing through that amp and we can't hear you?'
I just shrug and point at the sound guy.

The best one was during sound check a while back, sound guy kept bitching about how loud I was, I'd rolled the guitar volume all the way down, he kept coming over the monitors yelling at me for being a dick so, while I kept playing I yelled at the band to stop while I kept playing my utterly silent guitar.

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Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

muike posted:

Just get a jc combo dude

You can also find JC heads aplenty as well as Vox solid state stuff, the new Blackstar ID series, and the answer to all your prayers: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lab-Series-...=item3393ab6a6a

Also the Fender Ultralight Jazzmaster heads if you can find them are sick as poo poo and super duper light

iostream.h posted:

That said, in this day and age, there's not always a huge difference between them anymore. Some SS amps are absolutely phenomenal (I'm looking at the Randall stuff), most people using tube amps are using some form of SS boost or preamp in FRONT of the amp for added 'umph', the lines are blurring so much (and again, I'll point at the AxeFx) that I really believe that the days of tube superiority are numbered, and honestly, I'm not going to be to upset about it. I've gigged the 11 Rack by Avid as well as an AxeFx, I've got friends running the Kemper Profiler and several guys I know are running POD's and the GSP1101 by Digitech and they all love it and the biggest thing, the crowds don't notice a difference at all and, depending on your situation, that's what really matters in the end.

I think tubes are the sound I prefer but I know I can get good sounds from pretty much any kind of gear, to the point where portability, reliability, and versatility tend to get weighted pretty evenly with mah tonezz (since I can get them from pretty much anywhere). I used to think I'd only use tubes for the studio but nowadays I mainly use that poo poo for monitoring and reamp the gently caress out of my parts and sometimes even go direct/speakerless for overdubs

The most vocal guitarists are the stubborn luddites but there's a not insignificant portion of people buying and using and loving the latest poo poo

Also Jonny Greenwood uses a Marshall Shredmaster and a Fender 80s solid state for his dirty tones and if the tone from Paranoid Android isn't good enough for you then gently caress off (also people forget that they should listen to their guitars in the context of a mix vs just by themselves in a bedroom)

iostream.h posted:

If you ever want to have some fun, have a good load test done on your amp, the results can amaze/disappoint/underwhelm you.

I don't remember if I ever mentioned it here, but recently had to replace all the preamp tubes in the SLO and dropped by my tech to have the bias checked and just a quick once over to make sure I haven't knocked anything loose or whatever. We started talking about output and all (the conversation was actually why mid-scoop players bitch about not being heard in the mix) and he started talking about his bench setup. He put my SLO on the bench and it's average output on not 'quite' 11 (he said he was a little uncomfortable maxing it after seeing how quickly the wattage ramped up) was 193 watts on the clean channel and 218 watts (average, sustained, not peak) output on the overdrive side.

Next is to throw the Jubilee and then the Granger (and probably the AC30, just for giggles) and whatever else on there to see what happens.

I think it's just a perception thing and probably the overall EQ character/speaker efficiency/etc. but my friend's Dwarvenaut is louder than most 50 watt combos, even through a 1x12. That thing makes a god drat ruckus and it's the best

Declan MacManus fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Aug 15, 2014

Gym Leader Barack
Oct 31, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Olivil posted:

What is the general opinion on Guitar Rig 5 vs Amplitube 3?

I'm not interested in high gain stuff, looking for crunchy bluesy sound and weird effects stuff (pog like sounds).

Is there any other worthwhile option?

I really like Scuffham S-Gear, it feels just a little bit more direct and responsive than the other two you mentioned and has a bunch of great presets, I haven't even delved into making my own patches. Covers all stuff from bluesy crunch to balls-out high gain.
It's made by an ex Marshall guy so it's got a bit of pedigree, and there's a free trial to check it out.

I tend to doubletrack my guitar and have one channel as Guitar Rig and the other as S-Gear and end up with a huge guitar tone, I got a lot of praise from a local veteran producer on how good the guitars sounded on my most recent track using this method.

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

iostream.h posted:

Honestly, I'm really thinking the perfect platform for gigging (and pretty much studio too) is the AxeFx.
Freaking fantastic amp simulation, huge goofy rear end toolbox of effects, incredibly flexible and ultra-portable.

The only real 'negative' is the lack of a back line, but that's easily rectified with a powered monitor (and even less of an issue with IEM's), I dunno, there are some days I'm 'THIS' close to dumping my analog stuff and snagging one and being done with it, but I look at all those little lightbulbs in a row and just can't seem to make myself do it yet.

I think this is really only true for cover bands and the like - your average club punk/hardcore/metal bands etc only need 1 or 2 tones and you can do that well for a fraction of the price - especially now everyone is dumping their tube stuff for axe fx!

I think there is some truth to the inbetween though - I like dirty and vintage-y sounds and they pretty much all rely on a solid state fuzz or overdrive into your tube amp. Guitar straight into most amps doesn't do it for me!

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

field balm posted:

Guitar straight into most amps doesn't do it for me!

My Gibson LPJ into my JetCity pumping an Orange cabinet is the only combination of my gear with my (limited) experience that sounds ok. I would be fine showing up with just that to my cover band since we generally just do "clean, dirty" as the two sounds needed and I play mostly rhythm.

My HSS Strat and HH PRS didn't have the same charm to them as the (poor man's) Gibson.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Can anyone recommend me someone who will replace the foot switches on my Eventide Timefactor? I'm okay with shipping it across the country but I'd rather not do the work myself because it's an expensive pedal and I don't want to break it

Also I don't know if you guys were aware but it's really hard to look up mods for the Eventide Timefactor because Google can't differentiate between "modification" and "modulation"

RagingHematoma
Apr 19, 2004

Goiters can be beautiful too!
Thanks to everyone for the responses about the SS vs Tube amps. Sounds like I will be good with my Fender practice amp for a while. Maybe one day when I get really good, I'll look into some more high end options.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

RagingHematoma posted:

Thanks to everyone for the responses about the SS vs Tube amps. Sounds like I will be good with my Fender practice amp for a while. Maybe one day when I get really good, I'll look into some more high end options.

Don't feel as if you have to get something at one point or another, or base it off the notion that you have x amount of skill to deserve y equipment. The best advice is always keep saving your money, and try to get the best out of what you currently have.


iostream.h posted:

Welp, congratulations, I'm feeling a little queasy now.

I thought 'well hell, let's actually compare my (generally) standard live rig v/s an AxeFx with an MFC'.
I stopped at my pedalboard, that's enough for me tonight.
Not counting sales taxes where appropriate or whatever, but $2905 including the board and both power supplies.

That's not counting my rack or my MIDI controller.
loving hell.

I've been thinking about putting together a Scott Hull-style fuckoff huge rig with an AxeFX, giant power amps, bass cabs, etc. that'd probably run me around 5 grand, but I don't feel like building an addition onto my house to store the thing and there's basically nowhere I could use it legally outside an empty field.

Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 15, 2014

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay
Burning tubes smell amazing.

iostream.h
Mar 14, 2006
I want your happy place to slap you as it flies by.

comes along bort posted:

I've been thinking about putting together a Scott Hull-style fuckoff huge rig with an AxeFX, giant power amps, bass cabs, etc. that'd probably run me around 5 grand, but I don't feel like building an addition onto my house to store the thing and there's basically nowhere I could use it legally outside an empty field.
The bad thing is, it's not really that extravagant of a setup (and doesn't even include the weird fuckoff noisemaking poo poo that doesn't serve a purpose in a cover band). It's not even boutique poo poo like a Klon or whatever, it's just freaky how quickly all of it adds up (and it's a PT Pro, so there's a lot of real estate there). Either way, yeah I'm actually more seriously considering the AxeFX now, that really helps put it into perspective.

I'm looking at monitor options too, there are some nice powered monitors on the market for not a ton, I figure if the sound guy's an idiot, then I can always drape a mic over the cab and do things the old fashioned way.

Either way, I've come round circle again to the concept of plugging my body pack into the guitar, plugging the MIDI board into the rack, throwing it into the mixer and calling it a day.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

:siren:Warning: Gigantic rambling post about software ahead!:siren:

Big fan of Amplitube. Guitar Rig 5 has a major advantage in terms of generally being a sound /shaper/ thanks to the extraordinary freedom of routing, but just because you CAN split your signal up into six frequency bands and have synth LFO patterns control the mixes for them doesn't mean it's going to sound good doing that. Except it actually does, if you feed the mids to a marshall, the highs to a fender or hiwatt, and lows to an amp model for high gain (pick your favorite!) and then don't put synth controllers on the bandpasses like a dummy. Seriously, that poo poo sounds cool as heck. And you've been able to do stuff like that since forever. First time I ever tried basically splitting the frequencies up like that and feeding them into some different pedals hitting an amp must have been in like 2007 or so. Native seems to always keep the possibilities of synthetic sound in mind rather than trying to suppress it and pretend we're not plugging a guitar into a computer.

Amplitube takes a very much more "this is how a guitar setup works in real life" approach, except that there's no effects loop, which has lead some people to run two instances on a track to make a de facto effects loop by disabling cabinet emulation on the first instance and disabling the amp emulation on the second one. Given how big the Amplitube shell is these days, this is not trivial, but it's also something of an overstated problem - I hardly ever use effects in an effects loop in real life, either, and the sort that I do prefer (equalizers equalizers equalizers - also, EQs) work fine just totally pre or post anyway. Basically, if you want to use a virtual effects loop in Amplitube, you're gonna be running some kind of outside cabinet emulation, which is fine, but don't ignore Amplitube's built in cabs. They can sound awesome if you know even a little what you're doing. Room mics are your friend!

ReValver, in my opinion, suffers significantly from what looks like a somewhat tentative approach adopted by Peavey, allegedly not really giving the (very, very bright) programmer who made ReValver in the first place as much support as he could probably use . It used to be independent software before version 3. Anyway, it's got a bunch of "this is OUR neat trick!" You get routing similar to Guitar Rig but not quite as sophisticated, but you can dick around with the tube models in a very deep way, from V1 all the way on through, and you can dick around with the output transformer and all kinds of other fun poo poo too. And it has its own internal VST host, unless that finally proved too buggy to continue dealing with. Kinda doubt they'd take away a killer-app kind of feature, it'd be like the dude suddenly going "gently caress your idea of what Miller capacitance should be in this tube! hahaha!" - strip a feature why? Last I used it, quality of amp sounds was nearly as variable as Guitar Rig (which has some amazing amps and some not so amazing amps), but being able to change damned near everything about the tubes and have it actually sort of real-time SPICE it out (well, that's simplifying, but...), cool.

S-Gear is a smaller scale bucket of total fuckin' awesome, I like it nearly as much as I like Amplitube and that is REALLY saying something as I've spent hundreds of dollars keeping Amplitube complete (or more, I mean I try to buy credits on sale but you get the deal). It's maintained by some extremely smart folks and it just has a super, super lively sound that reminds me very much of cranking up an actual amp.

If Waves is still making GTR, I personally don't like it, as I prefer to do my own audio engineering and I found it to do a bit much for you in the "this is how to mix guitaaar! yaaay!" department. Maybe they've dialed back some of the pre-produced sound if they're keeping GTR current, no idea, they're good folks but it can be difficult to get in touch if you aren't a bigger money subscriber to a software package - just my experience, though. I have similar thoughts regarding the pre-produced sound when it comes to Softube's Metal Amp Room - yeah, I get it, it can sound like Meshuggah OR, if you'd like, it can sound like a different Meshuggah album.

Softube's non-metal software is loving amazing, though. Softube is sort of like Scuffham in that they bring a boutique sensibility to a highly commoditized enterprise and from a market standpoint that's interesting. They basically posed a question by asking if people would pay a lot of money for a very small selection of extremely well modeled amps - a Vox, a Fender, a Marshall - and no effects. Answer was "yep we'll buy that, holy balls it sounds good!" - but it's been a long time since that came out, and today I'd take S-Gear 2, which as mentioned shares a similar sensibility in terms of minimalistic but superbly modeled amps and cabs, but does not leave you hanging for very solid effects!

That said... at mix time I'll totally load up Softube's FET compressor because it sounds slightly better to me than most 1176 models on the market.

Overloud's TH2 is badass. I don't know why I don't use it more. I guess because I have integrated Amplitube so thoroughly into my workflow, but I use a ton of Overloud software just in general (they have, in my opinion, one of the very best spring reverb plugins around, for example). Considering it has nearly as much routing sophistication as Guitar Rig, but really, really killer amp models and effects (including the dirt pedals - god I love it when a company gets that right the first time, haha), you'd think I'd use this more often. Huh. Well, shout out to Overloud, they make top tier software.

It's definitely worth paying attention to smaller developers' efforts as well. One in particular that I think kicks rear end is Studio Devil, though I haven't ever actually found the patent that he claims to be operating under (and I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I just can't find it) I don't really care because it's an extremely functional, great sounding piece of software by the time you get to the real suites - you can even get a hardware version if you like, unless that fell through. I've been fuckin' moving across several states so I'm current to about February/March 2014 on all this stuff :v: A lot can happen post-NAMM, post-Messe, post-other trade shows on the Continent by the time August rolls around. Also, while ReValver is far more thorough in terms of the presentation of its amp modeling's adjustable features, if you can edit text in an XML file you can make your own amps with a lot of Studio Devil modelers. That owns but isn't really listed as a feature, more of a pleasant discovery as to how it works.

There has never been a better time to get into modeling software. The user experience has been thoroughly streamlined, and even this is barely scratching the surface. For instance, didn't say a word about any of the sick freeware you can get today. Explore :)

Agreed fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Aug 15, 2014

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
I have one personal gripe with Amplitube, and that is the fact that their Custom Shop options are stupidly expensive. $50 buy you enough points to get like 4-5 amps :toot:. Outside of that I have been fairly impressed with it in terms of sound quality and recording. Ampkit is kind of fun in that budget option sort of way, but I hate how nothing is labeled clearly. Trying to figure out what half the pedals loving do because of their retarded names tries my patience.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

unlawfulsoup posted:

I have one personal gripe with Amplitube, and that is the fact that their Custom Shop options are stupidly expensive. $50 buy you enough points to get like 4-5 amps :toot:. Outside of that I have been fairly impressed with it in terms of sound quality and recording. Ampkit is kind of fun in that budget option sort of way, but I hate how nothing is labeled clearly. Trying to figure out what half the pedals loving do because of their retarded names tries my patience.

Never buy products outside of sales, never buy credits outside of group buys.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Agreed posted:

Never buy products outside of sales, never buy credits outside of group buys.

I use the try feature which is pretty decent, but there are a hell of a lot of things I could better use my money on.

Like saving for a Casino. :D

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

My custom guitar that my luthier buddy is building for me is shaping up nicely.

two Novak P90s, a brazillian rosewood neck, maple cap, weird Islam inlay (he had it lying around, somehow convinced me to use it). Schaller 3D-6 bridge.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

jwh posted:

My custom guitar that my luthier buddy is building for me is shaping up nicely.

two Novak P90s, a brazillian rosewood neck, maple cap, weird Islam inlay (he had it lying around, somehow convinced me to use it). Schaller 3D-6 bridge.



Oh my loving god this is beautiful, I want one of those now! It looks so comfy to play, and P90s own.

unlawfulsoup posted:

I use the try feature which is pretty decent, but there are a hell of a lot of things I could better use my money on.

Like saving for a Casino. :D

Haha, yeah. That's the rule for IK products, because they are very aggressive in their promotions, you'll always have several a year and they'll always knock off like 75% of the initial cost, and even more if you then wait for another group buy to actually spend the credits. Got 500 credits once for the price of $100, then waited 'til a sale and filled out T-Racks CS to the brim.

Oh, poo poo, I really need to say this: there is a potential conflict of interest in promoting IK products as I was involved, under the auspices of Wampler Pedals, with getting Wampler Pedals into the custom shop in the first place. I also press broke Amplitube Fender back when it launched, while I was writing for a magazine back then... And I still have one of the final Stealth Pedal protos from beta testing it. Just in general I've had a lot of very positive experiences with the people at IK, in addition to the software. It clicked with me when I installed Amplitube 2, Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and Amplitube Metal back when X-Gear was first a thing, so opportunities to work more closely with the software? Hell yeah :)

THAT SAID, there's a pretty long history of me being in the industry at all and me working with software companies. Most of the other stuff that I listed was licensed NFR, so it's comparatively easy for me to drone on about the nuances of each - as such I figured I'd try to hit the broad strokes instead. I don't know how many of you were
1. around when I first entered the industry in any capacity
2. if any of you remember or paid any attention in the first place to the original modeling thread I put up...
3. ... and then built into a pretty good blog, for its day, still gets better traffic than I could possibly hope for given the fact that I update it extremely rarely. Not commercialized in the least, I just love this poo poo :3:

Anyway. I'd prefer that you know my affiliations so that you can take that into account when reading something like a gigantic post about software - yeah, it's totally my wheelhouse, but I have also been inside the process. I am knowledgeable about modelers because I have always thought that it was a cool as hell technology, even when it was just emerging (good friend had an original Line6 Pod in high school and that poo poo was so cool, never been the same since, haha). I generally take a sort of "curious tinkerer" approach to new plugins or new versions - I want to see what happens when it works great, and also what happens when it doesn't. I like to focus on the things a software does well, because I feel like that's what people tend to be looking for. But yeah, there's some history there and if you're new to me rambling about poo poo like this I'd rather you know what it is :)

Agreed fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 15, 2014

iostream.h
Mar 14, 2006
I want your happy place to slap you as it flies by.

jwh posted:

My custom guitar that my luthier buddy is building for me is shaping up nicely.

two Novak P90s, a brazillian rosewood neck, maple cap, weird Islam inlay (he had it lying around, somehow convinced me to use it). Schaller 3D-6 bridge.


I want one with a wraptail in Trans purple.

Edit: I just have to say, that a guitar/music related (currently ongoing) phone call with a forums user here resulted in a quick Google query regarding a term previously unknown to me defined as such:

quote:

Skoliosexual describes a potential sexual attraction to non-binary identified individuals. This does not generally describe an attraction to specific genitalia or birth assignments but rather is an inclusive term. “I'm not really into binary men or women.

iostream.h fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 15, 2014

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Agreed posted:

:siren:Warning: Gigantic rambling post about software ahead!:siren:


:tipshat:

A few questions about the software side of things, do you ever run physical pedals in your signal chain between the guitar and the interface and then further add software effects before the emulated amps / cabs, and if so what have you found is the best setup software/hardware wise for this, or is it always guitar -> interface -> software?

Second, if you don't/shouldn't/can't run physical pedals before the interface what in your opinion would be the best cab simulator that you could run a guitar -> pedal board -> amp line out -> interface -> cab simulator setup?

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx
I've used various pedals into revalver as an IR host. It's marginally better than native amp sims.

Gripen5
Nov 3, 2003

'Startocaster' is more fun to say than I expected.
Agreed. Do you have any recommendations for midi pedal boards for Amplitube 3? I would prefer not to spend an arm and a leg. I have a stealth pedal, so expression pedals isn't as much of a concern, but extra pedals are always nice.

I have heard both very positive and negative things about the Behringer fcb1010 and most other options are like 2 footswitches or at least $400 to $500.

Verizian
Dec 18, 2004
The spiky one.
It does seem like the Behringer FCB1010 is the best option in it's price range. I've been looking at it and wincing since buying my VIP3 amp a while back as it's listed as the best alternative to Peavey's own Sanpera II foot controller. Of course the Sanpera II is nearly £50 more expensive than the Behringer with "spongy" expression pedals to sweeten the deal because it draws power through the 8 pin midi socket on the amp instead of an external supply.

Are there any software alternatives to this kind of thing? Using a USB input device on a PC to trigger a midi signal that's then output through another USB port and a USB-midi converter. Latency isn't a problem for patch switching or toggling stomp effects in this situation.

Ferrous Wheel
Aug 18, 2007

"This is not only a security risk but we occasionally get pigeons roosting in the space as a result."
I have an FCB1010 with a modded EPROM and it works fine for Amplitube. I can rarely be bothered to set it up, but after the mod it does pretty much what I wanted it to—I can easily assign buttons and expression pedals to effects in the program. It's not the sturdiest unit and I don't think I'd ever use it live but for recording it's just fine.

The different EPROMs have different strengths and weaknesses though, so look into what's out there before deciding.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
I was visiting family and someone had a Taylor GS Mini.

Talk me out of buying one, holy gently caress that thing sounded amazing.

E: Other than the fact that I just bought a new guitar. Ignore that...since YET ANOTHER is out of the question for a while.

Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Aug 17, 2014

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
Does anyone here have the Ravish Sitar pedal from EH and a computer interface? I'd like to hear a certain (non-guitar) instrument through it and I was wondering if someone could help me out. :shobon:

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Should John Pearse 13-56 be alright for D standard on my dread? I've got d'addario 12s now and they're a bit too loose and allow the wonky neck to buzz. I've been wanting to try JPs for a while but I want to get the gauges right. Still learning acoustic tension :x

Actuary X
Jul 20, 2007

Not really the best actuary in the world.

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

Does anyone here have the Ravish Sitar pedal from EH and a computer interface? I'd like to hear a certain (non-guitar) instrument through it and I was wondering if someone could help me out. :shobon:
I just got it last week, just started messing around with it really. Seems to work well with fretless bass as well as guitar. What are you thinking of doing with it?

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
Routing a TB-303 though it. Any chance I found send you an audio file?

Gilgameshback
May 18, 2010

My new Francisco Navarro Garcia requinto:



Tuned A D G C E A, shorter scale than a regular classical but the same neck width. Mexican-style deep body. Cutting, authoritative sound, and loud.

I don't know why requintos aren't more popular, I had a very hard time finding any in a pretty big city. Anyone else here play one?

JULIAN ASSANGE
Dec 6, 2012

Julian Assange FACT:
If you unzipped my pants, you would only find more pants.
That's an awfully nice guitar awfully close to a fireplace.

I know a rich guy with a $4000 guitar that he keeps right next to his fireplace, a fireplace which sees regular use. I mentioned it to him and he didn't seem to care. Pretty sure the guitar is a decoration rather than an actual instrument.

firebad57
Dec 29, 2008

Gilgameshback posted:

My new Francisco Navarro Garcia requinto:



Tuned A D G C E A, shorter scale than a regular classical but the same neck width. Mexican-style deep body. Cutting, authoritative sound, and loud.

I don't know why requintos aren't more popular, I had a very hard time finding any in a pretty big city. Anyone else here play one?

Dude, awesome! I'm really excited to hear about your experience with it. My classical guitar trio has been doing some arrangements of string quartets recently, and (even though we just had guitars built with 22 frets), we would love that extra range and cutting power. One of us plays a seven-string that goes down to A or G, so we've got the cello range covered, but we've often had to bring down violin parts.

Please, please keep posting about it! How does it play?

Unrelated: we'll be recording a bunch of electric guitar recording soon, and the current plan is to go DI and reamp. Looks like I'll need three DI boxes - are the cheaper ones any decent?

Gilgameshback
May 18, 2010

I've only had it for a few days but so far it plays beautifully. Navarro set it up with fairly high-tension strings so it doesn't have any of the slackness that you sometimes get from short scale guitars. I've tried dropping it down into lute tuning for John Dowland and it handles that very capably. The tone is very, very bright, which I like. I would think it would do really well in a trio or quartet, though it might be constitutionally suited for a lead part. As I get more used to it I'll report back. I'd love to find some requinto-specific music for it.

I don't actually keep the guitar next to the fireplace, I just posed it there to freak everyone out.

RagingHematoma
Apr 19, 2004

Goiters can be beautiful too!
Do you guys find it hard to switch from acoustic to electric or vice versa? I find going between the two to be tough, especially since I am still learning the basics. When playing the acoustic I find it harder to get a clean sound.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Acoustic's a lot more work, and you don't have the luxury of an amp to give the sound some even power and EQ its voice. It's more sensitive to dead strings for this reason too.

That said, there's definitely some technique you can use. If you're using a pick, try some different ones - different thicknesses and materials, some will give more bite to the sound, some will transmit more of your picking energy to the string, some will feel better for your strumming style. You might end up changing that playing style to get the results you want.

You'll notice when your fretting hand is lacking too, notes will choke more easily - practice the things you're weak at and you'll get better. And it real possible the instrument isn't set up very well either, people have a tendency to thing huge action is just how it's gotta be with acoustics, and because it's not easy to adjust people just leave it alone. The strings just might be higher than they need to be

Alleric
Dec 10, 2002

Rambly Bastard...

RagingHematoma posted:

Do you guys find it hard to switch from acoustic to electric or vice versa? I find going between the two to be tough, especially since I am still learning the basics. When playing the acoustic I find it harder to get a clean sound.

I don't really understand what you're saying. You play the acoustic and it just naturally distorts? Can you clarify the clean sound your not getting, or the not-clean sound you are?

Presumption ahoy:

If you have a guitar bound to the status quo mindset of say 30 years ago, it probably has much higher tension strings on much higher action. This can be rather stark to switch to from an electric, but I don't see how the converse would inherently be true. This part of what you said is kind of confusing. Normally my electric feels like melted butter after playing on acoustic I've had to fight a bit (my horrible horrible but I loves it so 30 year old 12-string).

Anyway, if going from electric to acoustic is causing you grief, the acoustic just may need to be set up to better suit your learning hands. There will be some tonal changes to this (mainly losing some body from going to lighter strings) but there are benefits (helloooooo sustaaaaaaain). Anyway, if this is indeed your problem, I suggest taking the acoustic to a good local luthier who can make whatever nut,relief and saddle adjustments necessary to get you down on some extra light or custom light strings with lower action.

Anyway, I'm a total heathen who likes to put whatever meager speed and chops he has to work as much on the acoustic as the electric, so I've modified my beater acoustic down to shreddable action with Martin extra light PB's, and as soon as I get an hour to mess with it my Taylor will get the same treatment.

If the setup differences between the acoustic and electric aren't the source of your issue getting "clean", then I dunno. Maybe turn the gain down? :)

monolithburger
Sep 7, 2011
I think by a clean sound RagingHematoma means they have a problem with strings ringing out/other noises when they shouldn't which acoustic guitar is much less forgiving of.

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Mar 16, 2011

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Sep 12, 2012

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It's a fairly different circuit. You can get in the same territory with eq but Fender doesn't have the rights to the original design.

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RagingHematoma posted:

Do you guys find it hard to switch from acoustic to electric or vice versa? I find going between the two to be tough, especially since I am still learning the basics. When playing the acoustic I find it harder to get a clean sound.

Lighter strings, and work on your hand position. If you have to fret with a lot more force than you're used to, you frequently end up with that noisy buzz.

Like Alleric said, this isn't the Character Building Experience it used to be. Lighter strings exist, truss rods are there to be adjusted, and saddles can be shaved. I usually recommend that people go with an equivalent gauge to their electrics, which is usually .002 higher on the E strings. So an "Extra Light" on acoustic is .010 equivalent to a .008 on an electric, .011 to .009 and so on.

You can always go to heavier when you've built up to it.

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002
On acoustic you can also switch to a different type of strings instead of just lighter ones. Martin has silk & still and the FX series silk and phosphor.

I'm on my phone and about to head out, but if you dig up the Martin YouTube page they have some great videos about the different strings among other things.

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Actuary X
Jul 20, 2007

Not really the best actuary in the world.

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

Routing a TB-303 though it. Any chance I found send you an audio file?

Sure, send file to actuary_x at yahoo dot com. Also, there are options for settings - Key, major minor or exotic scale for the sympathetic strings. Let me know if you want to hear a specific setting or I will just gently caress around with it.

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