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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Most laptops are likely still 1366x768.

Also from what I've read, the scaling in Windows is not the major problem. The problem is developers saying their program will handle its own scaling and then not doing it.

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

The windows experience starts to break down above 1920x1200, for some people this is 2660x1440; others more, others less. Also depends on your screen size (let's leave the 27" IPS desktop displays out of this conversation, thanks). A lot of Yoga 2 Pro owners turn down the resolution.

And yeah, something like 70% of laptops are still creaky plastic pieces of poo poo with 1366x768 displays. 1080p is still a premium option for most models.

Walh Hara
May 11, 2012
I tried to scim this thread a bit but the usual discussion/laptop recommendations don't really apply for me.

Currently I have a Sony Vaio (VGN-FW41M) laptop. I've been very happy with it, but it's 5 years old and starting to slow down and break down. Now I'm looking for a successor.

Needs:
- Big screen with great screen quality. My current laptop has a 16,4" diameter and 1920x1080 (Full HD 1080p) resolution. This is good enough for me, but I don't want to downgrade much (slightly smaller diameter is okay).
- Fast with good specifications that stay relevant for a while. Good internet connection.
- Less than €1200, if possible around €1000 (no idea what a normal price for such a laptop is really).
- Windows OS, but I'll probably install ubuntu as well anyway.

Accu and portability don't matter, the only reason why I want a laptop instead of a desktop is that I live monday to friday in one place and saturday and sunday in another place and need a computer in both and prefer it to be the same one. I really don't care about touchscreen stuff.

Any ideas?

Walh Hara fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Aug 17, 2014

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Better displays(and resolutions) aren't such an important thing when like half the people in the world have poo poo eyesight and refuse to do anything about it.

Sinecure
Sep 10, 2011
I'm also in the market for a new laptop. I need to replace my Asus U35JC-RX141V, which has everything I want: 13.3" screen, i5 CPU and dedicated graphics.

However, browsing some current models/recommendations it seems you either get a GPU and a 15" screen, or a 13" ultrabook with a great CPU but not exactly good gaming capabilities or a small SSD. As I'd like both great portability and some moderate gaming, is there anything you'd recommend around a €800 price point?

Captain Pike
Jul 29, 2003

Sinecure posted:

I'm also in the market for a new laptop. I need to replace my Asus U35JC-RX141V, which has everything I want: 13.3" screen, i5 CPU and dedicated graphics.

However, browsing some current models/recommendations it seems you either get a GPU and a 15" screen, or a 13" ultrabook with a great CPU but not exactly good gaming capabilities or a small SSD. As I'd like both great portability and some moderate gaming, is there anything you'd recommend around a €800 price point?

There is the Sager NP7338 http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=5

I am returning mine, because I find the 1080p resolution unpleasant on a 13" screen. I also found the screen unpleasant in some indefinable way, perhaps light bleed or color gamut. This is porobably just me though, as I've found no evidence of similar complaints on the internet.

I am also a fan of powerful components in small sizes. For years I used a 12" ASUS that had a powerful CPU and decent dedicated GPU. I have since moved up to 14", due to aging eyes, and more laptop choices.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

So I'm still researching my gaming laptop, and I'm pretty much settled on a Sager. But the GPU option is killing me, there's so many conflicting opinions out there.

From what I can gather the GTX 880M is the best available. However they have bad drivers and throttled pretty badly right now (maybe?). Guessing this will be fixed at some stage.

I can afford to go for 880M SLI but then will I need two power adapters? That sounds like a nightmare. So then do I get one 880M which might be more stable or go for 870M SLI, which should offer better performance for games (my research says that most games utilise SLI pretty well, well after a few weeks).

Then the choose is between the NP9377, the NP9377-S, and the NP9570. The 9377S after upgrading it to match the S on xoticpc is $160 less, and I don't think a 120Gb mSata drive and double the ram is worth that. The 9570 is a few hundred dollars more but you get a 4820k CPU, but then will I really be needing to overclock? Might be nice for video editing but it seems like overkill.

So basically Oh god help what configuration would you pick on Xoticpc? I wish I could build a desktop instead but it's not an option.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

:siren: The OP needs a rewrite at this point; when it was written Ivy Bridge had been out for ~8 months and Haswell was 2 months late

A lot of the information is still valid, however Chromebooks are A Thing now, especially in education, Android tablets + bluetooth keyboards are alarmingly common in colleges now, and Broadwell is being pushed out until spring 2015 for most laptops.

So three questions, in order of importance

1. What information is the most out of date
2. What is the 'line in the sand' for crap/not crap "new laptops"
3. What information is missing from the OP
4. What information needs to be added for Europeans (Clevo/Saeger info in particular)

If you feel your reply might be too :spergin::hf::goonsay: you're welcome to PM me with details directly. Last time I did this someone took the time to run the OP through a grammar/spell checker and I made most of the corrections they suggested.

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)
Will the new OP have retarded Thinkpad fanboyism or is it too hard to find Amazon referral links that way?

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

Alan_Shore posted:

So I'm still researching my gaming laptop, and I'm pretty much settled on a Sager. But the GPU option is killing me, there's so many conflicting opinions out there.

From what I can gather the GTX 880M is the best available. However they have bad drivers and throttled pretty badly right now (maybe?). Guessing this will be fixed at some stage.

I can afford to go for 880M SLI but then will I need two power adapters? That sounds like a nightmare. So then do I get one 880M which might be more stable or go for 870M SLI, which should offer better performance for games (my research says that most games utilise SLI pretty well, well after a few weeks).

Then the choose is between the NP9377, the NP9377-S, and the NP9570. The 9377S after upgrading it to match the S on xoticpc is $160 less, and I don't think a 120Gb mSata drive and double the ram is worth that. The 9570 is a few hundred dollars more but you get a 4820k CPU, but then will I really be needing to overclock? Might be nice for video editing but it seems like overkill.

So basically Oh god help what configuration would you pick on Xoticpc? I wish I could build a desktop instead but it's not an option.
The best advice I could give if you absolutely must have a gaming notebook and not a desktop is to go for something more in the middle that doesn't sacrifice all portability. That way, you have something that's still potentially useful to you in 2 years time when all the components are out of date and not something that will quickly become a giant paperweight.

Sinecure
Sep 10, 2011
That Sager is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for, but I don't live in the US so it'll cost me a fortune to get here (25% VAT)...

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

Phoenixan posted:

The best advice I could give if you absolutely must have a gaming notebook and not a desktop is to go for something more in the middle that doesn't sacrifice all portability. That way, you have something that's still potentially useful to you in 2 years time when all the components are out of date and not something that will quickly become a giant paperweight.

Surely those specs will last me a good 3 years at least, right? I won't be transporting it too much, but maybe I'm underestimating the weight.

And yes I'll be in the USA so that's why I can afford to go a bit crazy, screw UK prices!

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Sinecure posted:

That Sager is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for, but I don't live in the US so it'll cost me a fortune to get here (25% VAT)...

Definitely have a butcher's at this, same thing again:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/optimusV-13/

You can cut the price way down by removing the OS, and even any drive at all if you already have an SSD or can buy one cheaper.

Edit: Oh wait, you said 25% VAT. Denmark?

In that case, you can get the same thing here although with fewer options:
http://www.mm-vision.dk/s4368-kompakt-gamer-baerbar

Sorry, if you're in one of the other 3 countries with 25%, I know jack about computer sites there

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Aug 18, 2014

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Should I be worried and go with this to Haus of Tech Support or local computer repair store/buy some cooling pad? Laptop is literally idle on screenshot.

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)
Maybe just get some canned air and a screwdriver and clean out the crapload of dust you have in there.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




shrughes posted:

Maybe just get some canned air and a screwdriver and clean out the crapload of dust you have in there.
I've never seen canned air sold here, but I'm moving to a civilized country tomorrow so I'll try it there since it's warranty was over last year already. Thanks. :)

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
So got my Acer c720 in the mail today! I opted for the 2 gb RAM, 32 gig SSD one that sold for 230+import+shipping. Not bad at all for a cheap computer and infinitely better than any windows option at this price point. It feels durable, I love the keyboard. The trackpad is mediocre, as is the resolution, but come on. It's two hundred dollars. I can't exactly complain.

It feels reasonable fast and does most everything I need it to. It's a bit sluggish compared to my y410p (obviously) but still execellent for general browsing and notetaking. I'm a tab whore and it works fine with 10+ tabs at any given time. The battery life is obscene. I've never had a laptop that lasted more than 2 hours even notetaking before, and this just blows all of them out of the water. I love it.

I also figured I may as well try out ubuntu since I might want to watch the occasional movie or something on here. I think I got some of the basics figured out but man is it confusing. I've never really used anything besides windows before to be entirely honest so it's a bit of a challenge and I'm feeling like a bit of an idiot. Is there a chromebook thread or a 'ubuntu for idiots' thread around here? I might check that out.

Either way, I absolutely love it and won't hesitate to recommend it to anyone who wants an internet/notetaking device. It won't be very useful for anything else, but if those two tasks are most of what you do you'll be set.

Also, before I buy - I want to get a cheap 32 gig SD Card for putting movies/music/documents on. Would something like this work fine?

http://www.amazon.ca/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS32GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNF0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=sd+card

I don't really know how to judge SD cards nor do I know what is or isn't compatible with Chrome OS and Ubuntu.

ductile escapist
Feb 12, 2006
Any advice on the best portable art studio as of now in the 650-1000 range? I'm on the verge of paying extra for one of the mid-range surface pro 3s, but my dilemma is that I still have a perfectly functional intuos3 with a good art pen, and I'm a little scared of losing those hotkeys if I migrate to the Surface.

Would you say its still worth it to have the cintiq-like experience? Would the gesture-based shortcuts in the latest versions of a lot of art apps be nearly as good?

Are there any convertable laptops you'd recommend for the job? I looked into the Vaio 15a for a while but decided against it for the time being due to concerns about portability. Should I just get a macbook air? Currently trying to figure out if there's some overlooked bargain gem from Acer, Dell et all. Something with a great display and just enough horsepower to run 2d apps comfortably, with a modest amount of 3d.

ductile escapist fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Aug 19, 2014

SSJ Reeko
Nov 4, 2009
What are the best chromebooks out there right now? Based on Iron Rose's praise I've check out the C720 and it looks pretty nice. Something with a larger screen, around 13 inches like the Toshiba Chromebook, might be a better idea though. Is there a solid PICK THIS ONE right now, or is the C720, Toshiba, and those HP chromebooks all kinda about the same?

I'd also be really down for maybe just getting an i3 X131e. They're going for good prices at some places and due to how much I adore the X121 (AMD cpu), the same but better sounds good to me.

SSJ Reeko fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Aug 19, 2014

Sinecure
Sep 10, 2011

HalloKitty posted:

Definitely have a butcher's at this, same thing again:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/optimusV-13/

Whoa, that is what I'm looking for! I'm not in the UK either, but within Europe importing stuff costs nothing. And with the features and prices they offer, I don't think I'll find any better. Thanks!

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Sinecure posted:

Whoa, that is what I'm looking for! I'm not in the UK either, but within Europe importing stuff costs nothing. And with the features and prices they offer, I don't think I'll find any better. Thanks!

You can even configure it to come with a European power lead, I just noticed, and they offer different language keyboards. Pretty nifty.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

SSJ Reeko posted:

What are the best chromebooks out there right now?
Unfortunately there's no one solid best Chromebook. In order to meet the $400 price max, every model has some kind of compromise, so it's about what you prioritize.

Haswell (Intel) based models have the best performance. Unfortunately all the Intel models (except the Pixel) use (mostly 11") 1366x768 resolution TN panel screens. If you're OK with that, the Dell model is reported to have the best build quality but is near impossible to find now. The C720 is cheap, popular and serviceable, but of understandably cheap build quality. I personally would take a look at the two recent Asus Bay Trail models.

The Samsung Chromebook 2 is available now with a 13" 1080p TN screen, but with an ARM processor that, while I personally find it adequate, is strictly slower than the Intel models and noticeable when loading feature-heavy pages for the first time. The Acer K1 model (or whatever they're going to call it) will also have a 13" 1080p screen, also with an ARM processor, but one that's faster on paper than the Samsung.

As for HP, there was one semi-redeeming model in that it had a (11" 1024x768) IPS panel, but with a fairly slow ARM processor, while the more recent models are TN panels like other manufacturers.

As for the Pixel, it's the best (and often by far) in all categories except battery life. It's also crazy expensive.

Sadsack
Mar 5, 2009

Fighting evil with cups of tea and crippling self-doubt.
After five years of faithful service, my Dell Inspiron has took a poo poo and died. I need a replacement, but I'm not sure which brands are good and which aren't. Ideally I want a laptop that's reliable and doesn't come burdened with a load of shovelware. So which companies machines should I be looking at? It looks like I've got a choice of Lenovo, HP, Asus, Acer and Toshiba.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Sadsack posted:

After five years of faithful service, my Dell Inspiron has took a poo poo and died. I need a replacement, but I'm not sure which brands are good and which aren't. Ideally I want a laptop that's reliable and doesn't come burdened with a load of shovelware. So which companies machines should I be looking at? It looks like I've got a choice of Lenovo, HP, Asus, Acer and Toshiba.

Lenovo (thinkpad), Asus (higher end), Dell (latitude or XPS lines, avoid the inspirons), in my opinion. Most laptops come with a lot of poo poo preinstalled but you can run http://pcdecrapifier.com/ to get rid of most of it.

Pieces
Jan 25, 2011

Karmakazi posted:

So I finally have money for an awesome laptop. I don't own a desktop and am always on the go anyway so I want something portable and powerful. My needs are torrenting, multitasking, gaming, mixing/making beats (aspiring DJ), video/photo editing and of course netflix watching, mostly in that order. I'm thinking macbook pro or alienware or msi.

I've never used mac and am very open to it, despite the hate it seems to generate, they seem to have a higher resale value than others, and I've heard bad things about AW after Dell took over but I've got no personal experience other than my friends AW desktop, and another trend I watched play ffARR on a aw17. I also like the mb air but I'm not sure it would meet my needs other than being ultra portable and having a great battery. My only issue with the air is screen resolution, max of lack of hdmi, but it seems solid and is the cheapest I'm probably considering.

Price point 1500-2k. I don't really need to run my games on ultra everything, but this is my chance to get a really nice laptop so I want performance that will last me several years. Not a current gen gamer, yet, so a lot of my games will be a couple years old.

Screen quality is a big thing too, mainly brightness and sharpness. I'm low vision and near sighted so I'll be close to the screen a lot and viewing angles need to be good so I could see it if i let someone next to me use it.

I just don't want to over pay for performance, I want the beat I can get, and I know the fruit and alien head jack up the prices of thoae devices and I've always heard they're not worth the premium you pay.

Or suggest better options? The mbp I'm looking at is 13", 8gb ram (up to 16) and an I5 or marginally better? I7 processor. Ssd is 512 or 1tb, but I'll get an external anyway.

I bought one of these last week for similar purposes (Lenovo Y50 4K Touch)

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Lenovo-Y50-4K-Ultra-HD-Signature-Edition-Gaming-Laptop/productID.306275000

It has a 4k touch screen, but the screen is limited to 48hz refresh rate though (this will be an issue if you play shooters), and it has some weird color issues with yellows (I managed to find a fix for them online), and between using a student ID for 10% off at the Microsoft Store, as well as the Microsoft Office bundle they offer, it provided for great bang for my buck.

I've been running it at 1920x1080 rather than maximum resolution since not everything plays nicely with 4k yet, but it works wonders for Ableton and my gaming needs (non intensive)

Pieces fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Aug 19, 2014

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

I'm looking for a midrange laptop, around a thousand dollars at most, mostly gonna use it for web browsing and video streaming, with a fair amount of video game playing, I'm not looking for something that can run everything at super ultra blazing fast 1080 p hd graphics, but something that can run, say, Arkham city moderately well

Mostly though I'm gonna use it for web browsing/Netflix/indie games on steam, what should I buy

Ed: also a desktop is impractical for my current living situation

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The browsing/Netflix/indie games can be handled by literally any laptop for sale. How important is the part where you play Arkham City? Do you care about battery life?

If it's just staying at home you can get a pretty fast machine with the Lenovo Y40 or Y50.

Xtronoc
Aug 29, 2004
Pillbug
I'm going back to graduate school in a few weeks and I'm looking to replace my Asus 1215N of near 4 years.

So here's a wishlist:
-Good battery life
-Not Mac/not tablet/ not chromebook
-Some light gaming such as Left 4 Dead 2
-$500-$1000
-12"-14"
-SSD would be a plus

A lot of goons seem to endorse Thinkpad but I am not familiar with Lenovo's line of products.

Xtronoc fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 20, 2014

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Xtronoc posted:

I'm going back to graduate school in a few weeks and I'm looking to replace my Asus 1215N of near 4 years.

So here's a wishlist:
-Good battery life
-Not Mac/not tablet/ not chromebook
-Some light gaming such as Left 4 Dead 2
-$500-$1000
-12"-14"
-SSD would be a plus

A lot of goons seem to endorse Thinkpad but I am not familiar with Lenovo's line of products.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-windows-ultrabook/

Popelmon
Jan 24, 2010

wow
so spin

Rexxed posted:

Lenovo (thinkpad), Asus (higher end), Dell (latitude or XPS lines, avoid the inspirons), in my opinion. Most laptops come with a lot of poo poo preinstalled but you can run http://pcdecrapifier.com/ to get rid of most of it.

What's the problem with the inspirons?

milkman dad
Aug 13, 2007

Are we getting to the point where it's worth waiting for broadwell? I read they'll have more fanless devices and better graphics processing. Eta is yearend right?

Parlett316
Dec 6, 2002

Jon Snow is viciously stabbed by his friends in the night's watch for wanting to rescue Mance Rayder from Ramsay Bolton
My wife wants a laptop for Adobe Lightroom poo poo. I'm pretty sure she doesn't want to go over $1000 for it. Now what are some decent laptop manufacturers for this, the only other thing I can think is my daughter playing Minecraft on it.

I would love to go Mac but she is on the fence.

Sir Pukesalot
Nov 3, 2012
Laptop goons please help me!

I need a laptop for gaming (because i use about 90% free weekends out of my home) my budget is 1600$ but keep in mind that i live in a country with high taxes (:denmark:, and my budget is actually 9000 dkk if that helps). i am currently looking at a Lenovo IdeaPad Y510p with following specs
15.6 inch 1920*1080p
CPU: Intel core i7 4700MQ
GPU: 2* nVidia GeForce GT 755M (SLI)
12 GB (1600 GHz) RAM
1000 GB SSHD
Intel Centrino Wireless N-2230

This will leave me with 180 $ for misc things (such as a cooling pad)

Can you help me select the best gamer at this budget? I am willing to import from Sweden/Norway (basically anywhere i can get a Nordic/danish keyboard (keyboard containing æ,ø and å)) if that can help.

Oh, almost forgot: weight will not matter.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Popelmon posted:

What's the problem with the inspirons?

They're Dell's budget line so most have plastic bodies and are cheaply built. If you're careful with them they're okay, but they tend to use lower resolution screens and be kind of bare bones. One personal issue is that replacing the HD requires you to take the keyboard out and half diassemble the unit, while better laptops have an access panel on the bottom to remove it with. Dell's warranty service is very good inside the US, however.

Popelmon
Jan 24, 2010

wow
so spin
I see. I think they updated them though (or they are trying to rebrand the line or whatever) because the Inspirons I saw looked more like Macbooks:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
So this is a 2-year later retrospective, and this could be an unlucky coincidence, but I've found the Lenovo T430 series to actually be a janky pieces of crap shoved into a nice chassis. Both two of my friends and myself bought them about 2 years ago using the B&N discounts and stuff. So far I've had have had to replace the LCD screen, battery, remove the msata card as it started randomly dying, fix the touchpad (buttons stopped worked), the graphics card feels like it's running way too hot lately and may die soon, and have had intermittent problems with the (upgrade option) wifi card sometimes dropping connections since day 0.

My friends laptops have all had similar problems (though not quite as bad).

Have we just had really bad luck or did it turn out this series was full of crummy parts?

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
My T430s has been rock solid apart from needing a battery replacement early on (faulty batch of Panasonic batteries).

It goes pretty much everywhere with me so the case looks a bit sad these days though, paint worn off all corners and I've cracked the plastic on the front left corner somehow.

E. Also my screen had a couple of annoying light blotches from new - should have done something about it sooner but I really needed the system and didn't want to go without it even for a few days. Maybe I can still get it replaced under warranty.

dissss fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 20, 2014

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Popelmon posted:

I see. I think they updated them though (or they are trying to rebrand the line or whatever) because the Inspirons I saw looked more like Macbooks:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd

He's describing the 3000 and 5000 series ones.

Karmakazi
Dec 24, 2013
Okay goons help me please? I've done a lot of reading and checked out other forums and asked around, here's my dilemma: I want to buy a new high end MBPr, 2.5ghz quad I7, 16gb ram, 750m+Iris pro graphics, looking at like $2500ish.

I'm also looking at XoticPC at various sager, msi, and even alienware (cringe) gaming rigs.

My needs in no particular order are ability to make beats/mix songs (music production/DJ), college stuff (which anything can handle), gaming (borderlands 2, cod/bf, counterstrike, last gen games and hopefully some recent ones too), photo/video editing, and of course streaming content.

My budget can be as high as the MBP, soe 2500$. I would like to run games on med-high with a good framerate. Portability and battery life are pretty important though,ee hence the mac. I don't want it to die mid party and it would be nice if it didn't weigh 10lbs (negotiable). I want something that won't crap out in 2-3 years due to heat issues, that's well constructed and possibly has decent resale value and a really nice screen.

I was set on the mac because it seems to cover everything except gaming (though people have said for the games I'm thinking of it should be fine) I'm just wondering if there's a better option that would encompass everything I'm looking for, or if I'm just daydreaming of the non existing perfect laptop.

Any insight/advice would be great. As of now I'm leaning mac, but man some of those gaming rigs look pretty sweet, but the battery life and cooing issues are borderline deal breakers. :/

Edit: building a pc isn't an option right now, and this will be my daily driver for college/music production, and hopefully some gaming in my down time.

Karmakazi fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Aug 21, 2014

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dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
I've just picked up an Asus R552JK which I guess might qualify as a cheaper option than the Mac or the hardcore gaming systems (it will be pretty much replacing my gaming desktop as I don't have a good place to put it any more)

It came with an i7-4700hq, 8GB RAM, GTX 850M (cheaper DDR3 version), 1TB 5400rpm hard disk (shudder) and a 1080p IPS display for around half the cost of the 15" rMBP with dedicated GPU (the gap of course will close a bit once you add a 500GB SSD and more RAM to the price)

Thoughts so far (sorry this is a bit disorganised):
- Chassis design feels solid and fairly well built and doesn't look too garish.
- The trackpad kinda sucks if you try and physically click it (too much effort required). Much better if you just use tap to click.
- Keyboard is good, more travel than an rMBP but having a number pad takes some getting used to
- The screen isn't as good as I thought it was going to be - it suffers from what I am guessing is the 'spotlight effect' people complain about. Most noticeable doing text based stuff like web browsing - looks fine when gaming. Also has a fairly noticeable AG coating if you dislike that kinda thing.
- Seems to run fairly cool when gaming (not that I run anything more demanding than Bioshock Infinite so far) but heat is often only something that shows up after time anyway.
- Battery life is a bit over 4 hours web browsing (actually more than I was expecting)
- drat having a mechanical disk as the boot drive sucks - I was expecting to replace it with an SSD a bit down the track but I think I might need to accelerate that given how unresponsive the system is during heavy disk activity.

I really think these type of systems are too big and heavy to cart about - if that is your plan then the Mac probably makes more sense given its lower weight and better battery life.

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