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WatXM Volume 1 actually occasionally had these big diagrams of the school's students, but there were some who never had more than a background appearance the entire run. Some of the staff never even appears on panel. They talk about Gambit's classes occasionally but he's never in any issues. Also as it turns out Wolverine can't prevent his students from becoming killers (Toad can though) yet I can't recall a single time any of Cyclops' have.
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"I don't want you to become like me," Wolverine says as he hands over the samurai sword to Kitty Pryde. "Really though," he says to Rogue as he relentlessly trains her in the Danger Room. "My path is one filled with empty rage," he says before trying to get Armor pissed by insulting her honor. "You've got your whole lives ahead of you, and I don't want you to walk the road I walked on," he tells his students as he leaves them to fend for themselves in the Savage Land.
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Probably Magic posted:"I don't want you to become like me," Wolverine says as he hands over the samurai sword to Kitty Pryde. "Really though," he says to Rogue as he relentlessly trains her in the Danger Room. "My path is one filled with empty rage," he says before trying to get Armor pissed by insulting her honor. "You've got your whole lives ahead of you, and I don't want you to walk the road I walked on," he tells his students as he leaves them to fend for themselves in the Savage Land. So you've never EVER heard of martial arts training to only be used in self defense? Like monks and Jedi?
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Aug 17, 2014 20:29
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They actually kill the poo poo out of things during Savage Land training.
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Aug 17, 2014 20:31
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I mean, the fact that Wolverine wants things to be a way but keeps himself from changing those things by being unable to break his lovely patterns of behaviour is a pretty major character beat.
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Aphrodite posted:Also as it turns out Wolverine can't prevent his students from becoming killers (Toad can though) yet I can't recall a single time any of Cyclops' have. And Scott gets possessed by an evil force one time and kills someone and people won't get out of his rear end about it, but that's happened to Wolverine a few times before and the Avengers make him a team-member.
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Codependent Poster posted:And Scott gets possessed by an evil force one time and kills someone and people won't get out of his rear end about it, but that's happened to Wolverine a few times before and the Avengers make him a team-member. Yeah well. Prof X was more important than all those guys Wolverine killed when the Hand controlled him. Or something.
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Wolverine shows remorse. That's the difference.
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Aug 17, 2014 21:12
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Aphrodite posted:They actually kill the poo poo out of things during Savage Land training. tbf, the Savage Land training was supposed to be (relatively) safe with Logan supervising from afar, but it just got hijacked by his rear end in a top hat time-traveler brother because Wolverine has the worst luck ever. Seriously, Wolverine should just punch Spider-Man in the face the next time they're hanging out and Spidey complains about the ol' Parker luck.
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I've read the following X-Men comics: Grant Morrison's New X-Men - loved this except for the future part/ending Josh Whedon's Astonishing X-Men - it was okay, kind of forgettable. House Of M - really drat good What would you guys recommend I read next? I've watched and loved all the X-Men cartoons & movies but have never checked out the comics until recently.
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Waterhaul posted:Wolverine shows remorse. That's the difference. Yeah for some reason if you feel bad about what you do, but don't actaully do anything about it, you get a pass. Its the wierdest thing. Like mentioned above you can do whatever you want as long as you bitch about it after/during.
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genghis.khan posted:I've read the following X-Men comics: Uncanny X-men Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire was really good.
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pharmer posted:Uncanny X-men Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire was really good. What?
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genghis.khan posted:House Of M - really drat good pharmer posted:Uncanny X-men Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire was really good. What bizarro BSS am I in? E: Beaten by Rhyno while I tried to figure out how to quote 2 posts in Awful
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Shawn posted:What? I hear X-Treme X-Men is pretty tight.
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Rhyno posted:I hear X-Treme X-Men is pretty tight. Eh if you want real X-men there is this little known writer chuck austin.....
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Rhyno posted:I hear X-Treme X-Men is pretty tight. Is it as good as The Draco? I have high standards! E: I keep getting beat in my jokes 
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Shawn posted:Is it as good as The Draco? I have high standards! It's good but nothing really holds a candle to New Exiles.
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Rhyno posted:I hear X-Treme X-Men is pretty tight. Now now, there was an X-Treme X-Men that was really good....it just wasn't written by Claremont. Although, if you want some awesome X books, you should be reading those X-Men Forever ones. Claremont returning where he left off 20 years later? What could go wrong???
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New Excalibur won like, 79 awards I think. That's some great poo poo.
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Shawn posted:What? What's wrong with House Of M, my friend? I thought the setting was very interesting
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh if you want real X-men there is this little known writer chuck austin..... gently caress you Chuck Austin cured AIDS
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genghis.khan posted:What's wrong with House Of M, my friend? I thought the setting was very interesting It's not wrong, it's just a Bendis event. It goes on to long and goes nowhere, it's resolved by a dues ex machina. It's just a piece of fluff. I don't think I've ever seen someone head over heels for it. It's just mediocre and there are so many better X books. I guess if you like Bendis' take on the X-men you can try Uncanny and All New, personally I think they are dire, but the only X-men I'm reading now is X-force and X-factor.
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Waterhaul posted:Wolverine shows remorse. That's the difference. Scott shows remorse too. So no, there really isn't an in-universe difference for it. Which kinda shows since people have sort of just given up on trying to arrest Scott. They'll try every now and again but for the most part it's just like "Well he's saving mutants and fighting bad guys so whatever." But they're still mad for some dumb reason.
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I one hundred percent side with Scott, but to the play the devil's advocate, I do think there are some differences. Cyclops was influenced by the Phoenix, but Wolverine was entirely mind controlled by the Hand.
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Shawn posted:It's not wrong, it's just a Bendis event. It goes on to long and goes nowhere, it's resolved by a dues ex machina. It's just a piece of fluff. I don't think I've ever seen someone head over heels for it. It's just mediocre and there are so many better X books. I am actually not a fan of Bendis (his Avengers were boring as poo poo) but yeah the setting of HoM was definitely what was most enjoyable to me about it. I am just looking for some good X books, and they don't have to be similar to what I listed.
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genghis.khan posted:I've read the following X-Men comics: The most correct opinion in BSS. Try some of Mike Carey's run next. Starts off with X-Men:Supernovas.
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genghis.khan posted:I've read the following X-Men comics: Kieron Gillen's run on uncanny is good (if you can stand Greg Land's art). It pretty much stands alone, except for the AvX stuff and is a nice lead up to the current status quo. Also, Si Spurriers run on Legacy is amazing, and of course Remenders X-Force, if you want to journey away from the main team books.
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Codependent Poster posted:Scott shows remorse too. So no, there really isn't an in-universe difference for it. Scott shows remorse that Xavier had to kick it, but not for his actions as a whole. I recall him being pretty clear on the ends-- new mutants-- justifying the means. Sort of like the difference between "I'm sorry I said something offensive" and "I'm sorry if you took offense at that".
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There's also the fact that Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force, despite knowing first hand that it's an uncontrollable cosmic force. Wolverine didn't ask to be mind controlled (unless you count the time he became Death, but that was only to stop Sabretooth from doing it iirc).
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irlZaphod posted:There's also the fact that Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force, despite knowing first hand that it's an uncontrollable cosmic force. Wolverine didn't ask to be mind controlled (unless you count the time he became Death, but that was only to stop Sabretooth from doing it iirc). Counterpoint: there's also the fact that Cyclops Was Right
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irlZaphod posted:There's also the fact that Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force, despite knowing first hand that it's an uncontrollable cosmic force. Wolverine didn't ask to be mind controlled (unless you count the time he became Death, but that was only to stop Sabretooth from doing it iirc). They have been to enough futures and alternate timelines to show that it is perfectly controllable with a proper host.
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Aphrodite posted:They have been to enough futures and alternate timelines to show that it is perfectly controllable with a proper host. Nobody cares about your fake history or future.
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Wolverine: I'm a horrible person who's killed people when i've had to and will spend the afterlife in hell, unhappy. I would never want anybody to experience what i've had to do. Cyclops: It sucks that Xavier died but I saved mutant kind. I'd do everything all over again and when I'm not around someone else will need to do it too.
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irlZaphod posted:There's also the fact that Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force, despite knowing first hand that it's an uncontrollable cosmic force. Wolverine didn't ask to be mind controlled (unless you count the time he became Death, but that was only to stop Sabretooth from doing it iirc). Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force for Hope, who was groomed and ready for it until the Avengers and Wolverine hosed it up.
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Waterhaul posted:Wolverine: I'm a horrible person who's killed people when i've had to and will spend the afterlife in hell, unhappy. I would never want anybody to experience what i've had to do. "...now take out your textbooks because it's time for What I've Had to Do and How to Do It 101" SirDan3k posted:Nobody cares about your fake history or future. Quentin Quire probably does.
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Soonmot posted:Scott welcomed the Phoenix Force for Hope, who was groomed and ready for it until the Avengers and Wolverine hosed it up. Except she wasn't ready because Spider-Man hadn't told her that with great power comes great responsibility. They repeatedly brought up how she wasn't ready and the Phoenix would have turned her into a meat puppet and probably gone all dark phoenix. But you know Cyclops was totes right when you ignore that chunk of the crossover where they take her to K'un-Lun for training and grooming to wield the Phoenix Force and even wielding the Phoenix Force she had to get help from Wanda.
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I don't think that there was really any reason for Scott to think that Hope would be able to handle the Phoenix Force. Rachel was, but she only really had a small portion of it. But whatever, AvX was dumb as poo poo.
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Wolverine's plan was to kill her on Day 1 so Scott still comes out ahead.
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