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Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
poo poo with your quals you could get out with no degree and pull at least 100k a year, then take online classes and get partial bah or whatever.

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Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003
From what I was reading you get partial BAH if you take classes online. But if you're not fulltime then you get no BAH. Partial is like $700 a month which is ok, but it looks like full is like $2000 a month -- and I think that's tax free.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Sir Lucius posted:

From what I was reading you get partial BAH if you take classes online. But if you're not fulltime then you get no BAH. Partial is like $700 a month which is ok, but it looks like full is like $2000 a month -- and I think that's tax free.

Yeah, allowances are always tax-free.

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
When I was finishing my degree part time also gave you partial bah, but it could have changed.

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003
Idk, I was using this: http://newgibill.org/calculator/

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

You can get full GI bill if you do at least some actual classes. It just depends on the school really. Same with how many units is considered full time for full BAH.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
I just took a full battery of painkillers so apologies if I ramble:

For online classes taken full time, you get paid the national average E-5 with dependents BAH divided by 2. Without Googling, I think that's about 700 dollars per month. If you take one physical class, you get full BAH for the zip code of your school.

If your school considers full time to be 12 hours per semester and you take 6, you get 50% of the E-5 BAH rate for your zip code. If you take 5, you get 40%. Tiers of percentage come in blocks of 10%, rounded down.


If you took 1 online class for 3 semester hours at a 12 semester-being-full time school, you'd get 20% of that 700 dollars per month.
If you took 1 physical class for the same, you'd get 20% of the full E-5 with dependents BAH rate for your school.

NOTE: No matter how much money you're getting, you consume benefit time at the same rate. You get 36 months of school paid for. Period. They round up to the end of the semester.. so if you had 2 days of benefits left starting your last semester, they'll still cover the entire last semester.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


DownByTheWooter posted:

I worry that millenials and our god drat smartphones will kill Spades, the official card game of the United States Navy

I wish more people knew how to play Euchre as Spades just takes too drat long.

TheQuietWilds
Sep 8, 2009

Nick Soapdish posted:

I wish more people knew how to play Euchre as Spades just takes too drat long.

Isn't that the entire point?

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.


Why couldn't they have broken it down for me like this. Are there colleges where 12 units isn't the regular full time? Vocational schools I guess?

So you only need one physical class to couple with the online courses for full benefits? Nice.

So even if you take, say, one class. That whole semester still counts towards your 36 months?

Is summer time benefits requirements different? Because classes are the same amount of units but obviously condensed at a much faster and difficult pace. I know if you do no college on break you don't get anything.

Say I need 2 difficult science classes that come to 8 units as pre reqs. I did pretty much all the other general ed before i joined Should I just fill the last 4 with some bs classes like yoga or what?

Vriess
Apr 30, 2013

Select the items of interest in the scene.

Returned with Honor.

Sir Lucius posted:

Did they finally replace the pearl module in programming with python?

Yes. PERL is no longer taught at JCAC. CTNs are still tested on it for advancement however.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Christoff posted:

Why couldn't they have broken it down for me like this. Are there colleges where 12 units isn't the regular full time? Vocational schools I guess?

So you only need one physical class to couple with the online courses for full benefits? Nice.

So even if you take, say, one class. That whole semester still counts towards your 36 months?

Yes.

Christoff posted:

Is summer time benefits requirements different? Because classes are the same amount of units but obviously condensed at a much faster and difficult pace. I know if you do no college on break you don't get anything.

Typically, yes. My college requires 6 hours for summer, 12 hours for fall/spring to be full time.

Christoff posted:


Should I just fill the last 4 with some bs classes like yoga or what?


Maybe. By the letter of the law, it has to be on your degree plan for it to count. My school is strict and will absolutely not let me count non-degree path classes towards full time under GI bill. If your school is less strict, they might let it slide. That being said, they'll be screwed if they get audited.

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

Most schools usually give vets credit for phys ed.

https://jst.doded.mil/official.html

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Yeah I know I meant just to pad the extra units for full BAH

buttplug
Aug 28, 2004

ManMythLegend posted:

gently caress yeah. Pizza and wings night is great. It's nice to be able to sit back, watch some college football, and crush some pizza and wings.

Don't forget the O'Douhls!

Vriess posted:

Yes. PERL is no longer taught at JCAC. CTNs are still tested on it for advancement however.

I am a big fan of Perl, personally, but you will find that most things CTNs will encounter these days tool-wise will be Python (or a similar scripting language).. Perl is a dying breed is most of those circles. The absolute biggest take-away that you can get from Perl as a CTN is learning regex inside and out.

buttplug fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Aug 18, 2014

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

PneumonicBook posted:

Guarantee if the cdo saw him playing cards he'd be joining the restricted people he's watching.

At no point while standing CDO watch did I check up on or care about restricted personnel. Duty section chief's business.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Christoff posted:

Yeah I know I meant just to pad the extra units for full BAH

Technically, they're not allowed to let you pad with extra classes.

Example: I am required to take physics 1 and 2. If I just really loved physics and wanted to take physics 3, the school is technically not allowed to let that count towards my enrollment percentage for GI bill full time status and can't technically have the GI bill pay for it.


Also, despite my school being "military friendly" they refuse to accept "credits" from the military.

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

buttplug posted:

Don't forget the O'Douhls!


I am a big fan of Perl, personally, but you will find that most things CTNs will encounter these days tool-wise will be Python (or a similar scripting language).. Perl is a dying breed is most of those circles. The absolute biggest take-away that you can get from Perl as a CTN is learning regex inside and out.

Perl has the fastest regex implementation and I really love idiomatic nature of the laguage. However, for most people, the language sucks and its implementation of objects is super poo poo. Python uses the same regex syntax, makes more sense, and is easier to use. It's slower, but for 99% of people, python is better.

NERD CHAT

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

KetTarma posted:

Technically, they're not allowed to let you pad with extra classes.

Example: I am required to take physics 1 and 2. If I just really loved physics and wanted to take physics 3, the school is technically not allowed to let that count towards my enrollment percentage for GI bill full time status and can't technically have the GI bill pay for it.


Also, despite my school being "military friendly" they refuse to accept "credits" from the military.

Not even as an elective, which is required for degree? Assuming you have electives left to take.

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003
Luckily you can also take breaks in semesters without being penalized, right? So if I can't get all the classes I need to go full time I can just not take classes that semester without burning through any GI bill time.

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

Sir Lucius posted:

Luckily you can also take breaks in semesters without being penalized, right? So if I can't get all the classes I need to go full time I can just not take classes that semester without burning through any GI bill time.

Far as I know, yes.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

Sir Lucius posted:

Luckily you can also take breaks in semesters without being penalized, right? So if I can't get all the classes I need to go full time I can just not take classes that semester without burning through any GI bill time.

Yes, it's really easy, if you are just going to take one or two classes, or not take any classes, all you have to do is have your GI bill person stop your benefits for the term. If they are good it shouldn't be a problem.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.
It's been a long time since I've had opportunity to say it, but gently caress Norfolk.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

ManMythLegend posted:

It's been a long time since I've had opportunity to say it, but gently caress Norfolk.

I just say it on general principle.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

Stultus Maximus posted:

At no point while standing CDO watch did I check up on or care about restricted personnel. Duty section chief's business.

I suppose it depends what base you're on. If the cdo is an actual officer then totally, cdo's never going to see anyone, if the cdo is a chief, welcome to the crazy.

PneumonicBook fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Aug 18, 2014

cult_hero
Jul 10, 2001

KetTarma posted:


If your school considers full time to be 12 hours per semester and you take 6, you get 50% of the E-5 BAH rate for your zip code. If you take 5, you get 40%. Tiers of percentage come in blocks of 10%, rounded down.


Quick correction, but you need to take at least more than half time (7 credit hours of a 12 credit load) in order to receive the BAH. Less than full time and it is reduced as mentioned. Full online courses result in half of the national average, reduced accordingly with your rate of pursuit. Bottom line, take at least more than half time and at least one in person class.

Seqenenra
Oct 11, 2005
Secret

ManMythLegend posted:

It's been a long time since I've had opportunity to say it, but gently caress Norfolk.

What is so bad about Norfolk? I was never stationed there, but it is possible I'll end up there in a civilian capacity.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

Seqenenra posted:

What is so bad about Norfolk? I was never stationed there, but it is possible I'll end up there in a civilian capacity.

- There are a million bazillion people on the base
- Almost all of those people have to get on/off base, park, commute in the general area including quite probably a bottlenecking tunnel or bridge every day
- They have a million bazillion dependents slamming any sort of NEX, clinic or support facility nonstop
- The presence of multiple massive Navy bases in the vicinity means most of the area and people remotely nearby are in some way associated with base support, or somehow bilking sailors. It's not as bad as, say, Groton in terms of running off every single respectable human being and institution, but the spread is much larger
- It's too close to Washington, the Pentagon, NR etc, and for most of the service communities present it's where the hard chargers and guys looking to make a name for themselves go, to maximize their visibility to higher ups. That means, depending on your position, you're dealing with a lot of shouty dicks and constant audits and inspections.
- Southern Virginia isn't all that nice to begin with

That's a not-all-encompassing list but most other negs are going to be ancillary to those

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Snowdens Secret posted:

- It's not as bad as, say, Groton in terms of running off every single respectable human being and institution, but the spread is much larger

Hey now.
Groton can blame any current shittiness and lack of respectable human beings on the indian casinos* loving up the area.
*only valid from 1996 onwards. aka the year the 2nd indian casino "mohegan sun" opened up.

Before that, Groton had no excuse for it's shittiness besides "guess how many superfund projects will be active this year".

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Hey spend 2 years at Lemoore

Or Fallon, China Lake, El Centro, Yuma etc

Vriess
Apr 30, 2013

Select the items of interest in the scene.

Returned with Honor.

Fart Sandwiches posted:

Perl has the fastest regex implementation and I really love idiomatic nature of the laguage. However, for most people, the language sucks and its implementation of objects is super poo poo. Python uses the same regex syntax, makes more sense, and is easier to use. It's slower, but for 99% of people, python is better.

NERD CHAT

I've also discovered that Windows Findstr with the /R argument allows for use of RegEx. No /d shortcuts though. You need to put the full character case.
poo poo gets weird in Batch.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Christoff posted:

Hey spend 2 years at Lemoore

Or Fallon, China Lake, El Centro, Yuma etc

Yeah, the two big options for my next tour are Norfolk and Fallon. It's a tough choice.

There's a single spot at Lemoore too which is way, way, waaaaaaay at the bottom of the wish list. At least with Fallon you can drive an hour and be in Reno, an hour and a half and be in Tahoe. Drive an hour and a half from Lemoore and you're still in the middle of cow poo poo valley.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Yeah, the two big options for my next tour are Norfolk and Fallon. It's a tough choice.

There's a single spot at Lemoore too which is way, way, waaaaaaay at the bottom of the wish list. At least with Fallon you can drive an hour and be in Reno, an hour and a half and be in Tahoe. Drive an hour and a half from Lemoore and you're still in the middle of cow poo poo valley.

Do you mind saying what billets you are looking at in those places?

TheQuietWilds
Sep 8, 2009

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Yeah, the two big options for my next tour are Norfolk and Fallon. It's a tough choice.

There's a single spot at Lemoore too which is way, way, waaaaaaay at the bottom of the wish list. At least with Fallon you can drive an hour and be in Reno, an hour and a half and be in Tahoe. Drive an hour and a half from Lemoore and you're still in the middle of cow poo poo valley.

Fallon doesn't seem that bad, but I really don't mind remoteness. Given the list of commands I'd say it has potential for a chill tour far beyond anything in Virginia. I'd much rather be in Nevada, personally.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

TheQuietWilds posted:

Fallon doesn't seem that bad, but I really don't mind remoteness. Given the list of commands I'd say it has potential for a chill tour far beyond anything in Virginia. I'd much rather be in Nevada, personally.

Fallon's only redeeming feature is that it is somewhat close to Tahoe. Reno is poo poo but there is a lot of stuff there I guess. Fallon's O-club is pretty awesome when an Air Wing is in town as well. Beyond that, it's a wasteland. I guess if you like riding ATVs on giant piles of sand it's ok too.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Yeah, the two big options for my next tour are Norfolk and Fallon. It's a tough choice.

There's a single spot at Lemoore too which is way, way, waaaaaaay at the bottom of the wish list. At least with Fallon you can drive an hour and be in Reno, an hour and a half and be in Tahoe. Drive an hour and a half from Lemoore and you're still in the middle of cow poo poo valley.

To be honest if you even slightly like the outdoors, weekend excursions, and exploring all California has to offer Lemoore isn't that bad. No traffic small town feel etc. If you want a lovely commute Visalia is surprisingly nice.

Some people loving love Lemoore and I'm convinced it has the highest rate of retirees in that city per capita compared to any other base.


Seriously it does suck but if you like being active it's not a bad choice. Better than Fallon IMO. I didn't take full advantage of it but I was also too busy looking at the bottom of a bottle and complaining. I did go home twice a month though.

Seriously though as we said "close to nothing but near everything"

Sequoias is a little over an hour away. Yosemite about 2. San Francisco 3, San Luis Obispo and that coastal area about 2 1/2, LA 3, Fresno an hour (if for whatever reason you want to go there)

There's also a little hidden gem an hour east of Fresno called Huntington Lake which is also where the small ski resort China Peak is. Me and my buddy had seasons passes there one year. Pretty fun. Kings Canyon is another Yosemite type place and a hidden gem to most


Well that's my spiel

Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Aug 18, 2014

Schlabbalabba
May 10, 2004

I'm a semen, I mean Seaman, I haven't been a semen for 20 years.

tuluk posted:

Hey now.
Groton can blame any current shittiness and lack of respectable human beings on the indian casinos* loving up the area.
*only valid from 1996 onwards. aka the year the 2nd indian casino "mohegan sun" opened up.

Before that, Groton had no excuse for it's shittiness besides "guess how many superfund projects will be active this year".

tuluk posted:

Hey now.
Groton can blame any current shittiness and lack of respectable human beings on the indian casinos* loving up the area.
*only valid from 1996 onwards. aka the year the 2nd indian casino "mohegan sun" opened up.

Before that, Groton had no excuse for it's shittiness besides "guess how many superfund projects will be active this year".

Groton goes in waves. If the rumor mill is saying the base could be closed down, then the general public LOVES us and treats us well. Now that they built the new commissary and a lot of new buildings, expect the long haul of shittiness. Instructors tell students to register their cars in CT and never wear a uniform item out in town so they don't become targets, because we're hated.

Best thing about Groton: if you or you have a family member with some sort of medical issue, they have no place to treat it. So that means instant referral to Yale, Hasbro or Boston Children's Hospital, etc.... For the Servicemember sometimes they send you TAD to Portsmouth NMC haha.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.
The casinos were the nicest thing about Groton

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
New London had a nice little downtown area with some cool shops and restaurants. Just always ride the edge of grooming standards and you look like a guy who likes a short haircut. My wife worked at the community college there so we had friends who weren't military and that helps too.

Groton is still a shithole and I hated every second I lived there.

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KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
No, "the military is not an accredited institution" meant that they accepted 0 credits, period.


cult_hero posted:

Quick correction, but you need to take at least more than half time (7 credit hours of a 12 credit load) in order to receive the BAH. Less than full time and it is reduced as mentioned. Full online courses result in half of the national average, reduced accordingly with your rate of pursuit. Bottom line, take at least more than half time and at least one in person class.

gently caress, seriously?

Now that you mention it, that sounds familiar...

That seriously screws me a bit because my last semester of college only has 6 semester hours planned since I frontloaded so much trying to graduate early. Now I'm going to have to see if I can figure out a way to get that BAH money somehow..

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