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Assange's press conference has been a whole lot of nothing, except for the stage-whispered Spanish. Oh okay, he's leaving "soon". Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Mad Katter posted:
Disappointed this article had nothing to do with Swans up coming revolution.
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Aug 18, 2014 10:11
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GOOD NEWS EVERYONE
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Scylo posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/icac-tony-abbott-says-problem-was-labor-banning-developer-donations?CMP=twt_gu Oh my god 
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Aug 18, 2014 10:29
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Captain Pissweak posted:esports I used to play a lot of BF3 with goons. Our ace pilot would take a shitload of xanax and drink half a bottle of whisky over the course of a few games then enter a 25 minute zen state in which we could not be touched and flew like God's own angels (then the helo would go inverted and you knew he'd passed out and it was time to bail).
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Aug 18, 2014 11:47
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Greg Hunt,"We are doing this for the poor people in India who are getting electricity for the first time"
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Aug 18, 2014 12:20
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:I used to play a lot of BF3 with goons. Our ace pilot would take a shitload of xanax and drink half a bottle of whisky over the course of a few games then enter a 25 minute zen state in which we could not be touched and flew like God's own angels (then the helo would go inverted and you knew he'd passed out and it was time to bail). This is the best post.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:22
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read this http://jmkorhonen.net/2014/04/08/graphic-of-the-week-having-too-much-and-too-little-renewables-at-the-same-time/ quote:One of the benefits of renewable energy is that it pushes down the price of electricity when the wind blows or the sun shines. Besides lowering energy bills, that kills the profitability of traditional “baseload” power plants – i.e. those burning coal or splitting atoms – and forces them to close, to the rejoicing of all. This is a critically important issue when renewable electricity conflicts with economics. The equipment that generates and transmits this power still costs money to run and maintain. What happens when renewable production exceeds demand? well the price of power drops, and the price of fossil fuel generated power goes up, noone buys the latter, and everyone gets the former. What happens when renewable production exceeds total demand? the price of power bottoms out... and this is a problem.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:23
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Kommando posted:read this gently caress, if only energy didn't dissipate immediately upon generation and we had some way of storing it. oh well posted from my phone not currently plugged into the mains
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Aug 18, 2014 12:38
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:I used to play a lot of BF3 with goons. Our ace pilot would take a shitload of xanax and drink half a bottle of whisky over the course of a few games then enter a 25 minute zen state in which we could not be touched and flew like God's own angels (then the helo would go inverted and you knew he'd passed out and it was time to bail). Can... can I hear more? Post of the month.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:49
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Gough Suppressant posted:gently caress, if only energy didn't dissipate immediately upon generation and we had some way of storing it. oh well Grid-level electrical energy storage is really not anything like a reality yet. It's prohibitively expensive. The best current bet is thermal storage, at least in Australia.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:50
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Surely if renewable production exceeds demand then we've won? Like, we can celebrate at having a power system that doesn't systematically rape the planet, rendering it unlivable?
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Aug 18, 2014 12:53
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:I used to play a lot of BF3 with goons. Our ace pilot would take a shitload of xanax and drink half a bottle of whisky over the course of a few games then enter a 25 minute zen state in which we could not be touched and flew like God's own angels (then the helo would go inverted and you knew he'd passed out and it was time to bail). hey jbp how you going?
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Aug 18, 2014 12:54
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pfft My friend is a teacher in Newcastle: quote:My school was supposed to have Tim Owen to come to a school breakfast. Deputy joked today that after him they asked Andrew Cornwell, then the mayor. There's no one left to come to school to represent state government. Dropping like flies.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:59
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If as the author suggests the idea of excess unutilised production is such a problem, just plug all the excess power from the grid into a bitcoin mining rig.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:59
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Orkin Mang posted:No, he's saying, vote for me sports fans. Except he doesn't realise that there are 17 teams worth of BigFooty posters who would literally shed tears of blood if the blackest day in sport wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Maybe he's going for the Essendon and Cronulla vote or something.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:00
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Gough Suppressant posted:gently caress, if only energy didn't dissipate immediately upon generation and we had some way of storing it. oh well read the drat article. I'm not summarising the whole thing for you twats to pick holes in my summary.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:00
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Seems to me the article is skimming over a lot of stuff in the renewable area (namely that there's more than just wind and photovoltaics out there) and that it's coming from the point of unrestrained free market capitalism and not the obvious nationalise the generators. If I've missed something major about it tell me, I only briefly skimmed it between writing some reports.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:01
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quote:Under free market, the renewable energy revolution will for all intents and purposes stop dead on its tracks once peak production regularly begins to catch up with total demand. No amount of foreseeable cost reductions will make solar PVs a competitive energy source when 75% (or more) of their production must be given away for free. Figure 4 below shows one potential scenario, where solar production increases 3.3 times, and wind power 5 times from current levels. In this case, conventional energy sources must cover for 60% of the electricity demand. This is totally incompatible with any scientifically credible electricity decarbonization plans – not to mention the decarbonization of the energy system as a whole. Furthermore, the profitability of conventional plants will be poor or nonexistent, necessitating heavy subsidies, while high share of low marginal cost production will nevertheless drive down electricity prices during peak production hours, necessitating still more subsidies for renewable generators. This is the worst case scenario: punishing subsidies all round, no worthwhile climate progress. Sadly, it is also the most likely one, in my opinion. Found your problem, mate. Thank me later.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:02
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This is like worrying about the economic sustainability of fire extinguishers as an investment while your house burns down.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:03
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Aren't the polls and wires still government owned in all states? Tax upkeep no free market
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Aug 18, 2014 13:04
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Endman posted:Surely if renewable production exceeds demand then we've won? Like, we can celebrate at having a power system that doesn't systematically rape the planet, rendering it unlivable? The trouble is a) it doesn't exceed demand all the time and b) it still costs money to maintain those systems and transmit the energy. The article goes into more detail but short of grid-level storage (which is really the magic bullet) you'd essentially need either heavy regulation of the market/some sort of public non-cost provision of power, or some agreement on dumping the surplus energy into an expanded industry like aluminium production (which has its own environmental issues to do so). It's why the BZE plan uses solar thermal, since thermal storage is considerably cheaper.
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Why wouldn't you heavily regulate the market for electricity production? It's too valuable a resource, too critical in how it is produced to leave in the hands of the market.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:07
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Endman posted:Found your problem, mate. Thank me later. I'm all for this but poo poo's probably not going to happen. There'd still be problems under a completely democratically owned and distributed energy system, but pricing wouldn't be one of them, it's true.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:07
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Endman posted:Why wouldn't you heavily regulate the market for electricity production? It's too valuable a resource, too critical in how it is produced to leave in the hands of the market. Hello, perhaps you've heard of these people  They unfortunately manage to hold quite a lot of power in this country It sucks, but unfortunately we have to treat some issues in the knowledge that we're going to have to deal with markets.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:08
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Yeah, yeah, I know. Reality check and all that. It honestly boggles my mind how people can suggest that the provision of critical infrastructure should be left in the hands of the free market. It's like tossing your newborn baby into a moshpit, assuming that when it comes out the other side it'll have an excellent education, six figure salary and leadership aspirations.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:11
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Call me a horrible person, but maybe we should just not do anything, let climate change kill a bunch of people and have it spark the necessary change in a manner akin to a malthusian crisis.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:12
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Endman posted:Yeah, yeah, I know. Reality check and all that. Their babies won't be in that moshpit, hth.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:13
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Endman posted:Yeah, yeah, I know. Reality check and all that. I doubt they actually think it will result in better outcomes for everyone, they just say it will because "support policy XYZ because it will make me and my mates really rich and gently caress you all over in the process" doesn't go over nearly so well with the voters.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:14
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Endman posted:Call me a horrible person, but maybe we should just not do anything, let climate change kill a bunch of people and have it spark the necessary change in a manner akin to a malthusian crisis. This is probably what will end up happening anyway, but ethically speaking we should at least try and stop a bunch of people dying from preventable climate change.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:15
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gay picnic defence posted:I doubt they actually think it will result in better outcomes for everyone, they just say it will because "support policy XYZ because it will make me and my mates really rich and gently caress you all over in the process" doesn't go over nearly so well with the voters. These people all went to university, how is it possible to know what you're doing is wrong and then do it anyway like that? How can someone so educated be so monumentally selfish? 
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gay picnic defence posted:This is probably what will end up happening anyway, but ethically speaking we should at least try and stop a bunch of people dying from preventable climate change. Yeah, I know. But poo poo, sometimes I think we deserve everything that happens to us.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:17
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Endman posted:These people all went to university, how is it possible to know what you're doing is wrong and then do it anyway like that? How can someone so educated be so monumentally selfish? Are you drinking tonight by any chance?
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Aug 18, 2014 13:17
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Endman posted:Call me a horrible person, but maybe we should just not do anything, let climate change kill a bunch of people and have it spark the necessary change in a manner akin to a malthusian crisis. The problem with this is the same as all accelerationism: the people affected aren't the ones with agency to make change. It would result in a lot of dead poor and dark skinned people and anyone that actually has the power to change things also has the power to ride it out.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:18
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The people who die won't be the ones to deserve it anyway. Which is why we need French Revolution
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Gough Suppressant posted:The problem with this is the same as all accelerationism: the people affected aren't the ones with agency to make change. It would result in a lot of dead poor and dark skinned people and anyone that actually has the power to change things also has the power to ride it out. I hate that you're right. I can only dream of a world where all rich white people buy waterfront properties in areas prone to tsunamis. Beetfauxnen posted:Are you drinking tonight by any chance? Nah, I have class tomorrow. But if I could, I would.
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Captain Pissweak posted:The people who die won't be the ones to deserve it anyway. The Anglosphere is cursed with stability, contentedness and thus inaction. As Wondermark put it: 
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Endman posted:These people all went to university, how is it possible to know what you're doing is wrong and then do it anyway like that? How can someone so educated be so monumentally selfish? Money. The depressing bit is that it's not stupid huge amounts of money and that our future is being sold out for middling amounts of pocket change.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:24
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Endman posted:I hate that you're right. I can only dream of a world where all rich white people buy waterfront properties in areas prone to tsunamis. Be a rich white man, do it yourself, make it stylish. Take one for the team.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:27
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So Clive just went on about Chinese mongrel bastard communists taking over the country on live tv?
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Gough Suppressant posted:So Clive just went on about Chinese mongrel bastard communists taking over the country on live tv? That's a boost in the polls.
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