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Ninjasaurus posted:I already knew some goons were little better (or worse) than your average troper but yeah, that could easily be a conversation held on TV Tropes and none of us would have been the wiser. The episode was an origin story on one of the main characters, Jake, a magic shape-shifting dog. In it, his dad was bitten by a weird alien/trans-dimensional creature with some Giger-ey influences (there was also a really obvious Alien reference almost immediately after, reinforcing the Giger thing) while out monster hunting with his pregnant wife. In the end, a creature busts out of his head around the same time his wife starts to be going into labor, and Jake plops out and does a little song and dance. So obviously this episode was secretly about society's pressure on rape victims and victims of abuse to keep the unwanted products of their abuse, like children. Steven Yun's probably got a very active TVTropes account and he's super popular in that thread because his fanfiction is better than everyone else's I guess. Still better than Sithsaber for the most part. Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Babe Magnet posted:The episode was an origin story on one of the main characters, Jake, a magic shape-shifting dog. In it, his dad was bitten by a weird alien/trans-dimensional creature with some Giger-ey influences (there was also a really obvious Alien reference almost immediately after, reinforcing the Giger thing) while out monster hunting with his pregnant wife. In the end, a creature busts out of his head around the same time his wife starts to be going into labor, and Jake plops out and does a little song and dance. Wow. Is the show always that weird?
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Ninjasaurus posted:Wow. Is the show always that weird? Yeah basically, it's a show that tends to have a bunch of hidden referential stuff as far as I can tell.
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Sometimes it's weirder, most of the time it's about as weird but in different ways. One recent episode was about Jake's tail who had a secret life once a month where it was a sad, dramatic clown in a corrupt bug circus. Every once in a while they touch on a horrible dystopian land ruled by a vile dictator who ate his twin, and who abuses his heavily mutated subjects like a sour yellow Kim Il-Sung. Sometimes they form a band which immediately breaks up from drama, sometimes Finn gets addicted to Dungeon Trains. There was a recent episode where making-out was used as an obvious pg/thematic replacement for fuckin', and Finn was getting into making-out with a lot of random princess trying to rebound from getting dumped by Flame Princess (there's been a large amount of episodes in the past season about relationship stuff because Finn's going through puberty I guess because he ages in real-time) and it was super awkward and as terrible as you think it would be. The thread was more unreadable than it usually is for a few weeks after. A few posters were convinced he straight up hosed one of them, despite how out of the way the show was going to make out makin'-out as being the same thing in this story. Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Tropers trying to tell stories brings to mind the mental image of Neo fighting Agent Smith by throwing spoons at him - completely missing the point. They need to realize the same thing that Neo did - There are no Tropes. Tropes are just patterns in literature that crop up now and again due to the limitations of human imagination and experiences resulting in similar characters or plots showing up, often at similar times. Look at the Count of Monte Cristo and The Portrait of Dorian Gray. They both came about during the same period, 19th Century France, around the time of one of their many revolutions, a time of high emotional stress and distaste for (then) modern society by the people who were hosed by it. Monte Cristo/Edmund Dantes and Dorian Gray are similar characters - they are innocent paragons of society who are corrupted by an outside source and become something that, while monstrous is presented as almost desirable in a bizarre way as they are more free than before, leading a seemingly consequence free life. They only are redeemed when they see what monsters they have become, but the transformation beforehand is in small enough stages that they don't notice until a line is crossed. In Monte Cristo, Dantes has a nice, stable life: an attractive wife-to-be, a good job with prospect for promotion and a large group of friends, but his boorish, boastful behaviour gets him a few enemies as well. Dorian Grey starts off in a similarly privileged positon having inherited an enormous amount of wealth and a large home, and has made no enemies at all. Dantes initial corruption comes from his enemies: Danglars comes up with a plan to discredit Edmund by using a side trip to Elba to smear him as a Bonapartist. He writes a letter which he has a fake change of heart after and throws away, knowing that the jealous Fernand will be foolish enough to actually deliver the letter, making him accountable instead. Caderousse's betrayal is simply being too drunk to stop the plot before it gets started. When Edmund is sentenced he makes a plea bargain with a high member of the court, who betrays him by sending him to the Bastille and 'losing' the evidence exonerating him due to fear of being seen as soft on a Bonapartist. Dorian on the other hand is corrupted by a friend, who buys him an elaborate painting and takes him for his first night out, after which he drunkenly exclaims while admiring the titular work "If only the painting could age in my stead", laying the well known curse and planting the seed for the interesting monster. When Dantes first breaks out of prison and gets hold of the treasure (spoken to him of by a fellow prisoner) his initial thought is to create a new personality. Prison has made him physically powerful and aged him considerably before his time, and Edmund buys the title for the Island of Monte Cristo, building a large group of friends and mercenaries for protection. His first truly monstrous act is in buying his servant. He deliberately waits for a convicts tongue to be cut out but buys him just before the hands so that he can have a mute slave, something he says he has "always wanted". His first act is aimed at helping a friend. Caderousse is now an inn keeper, struggling with debt. Dantes shows up with a large gem that will get them out of trouble, but Mme. Caderousse convinces her husband to murder this "stranger" in his sleep and take the rest as well. This puts them on Dantes metaphorical poo poo list, and now all three of his former friends have done something to stir his ire. He only notices what he has become when all of his enemies are dead or ruined but the daughter of one, who he felt no ill intent towards through out the story. Due to the despair at the loss of her father she prepares to kill herself, and Edmund ditches the "Count" in order to make sure that he hasn't done too much. Dorian's transformation is more subtle. As he starts falling into enjoying his hedonistic behaviour his portrait starts by looking slightly more smug than innocent, eventually looking downright cruel. As the years pass and Dorian falls down a slippery slope, graduating from whoring to out right mutilating, then murdering, prostitutes, looking for a bigger and bigger "kick" the portrait becomes grotesque. By this point the Dorian in the portrait is ~40 years old but already mangy and losing teeth and hair to syphilis and possibly other unpleasant illnesses. What teeth are left have turned black from tobacco and opium, and his eyes radiate a demented joy. Eventually the portrait becomes so painful to look at that Dorian (who has been keeping it covered for his own sake) can't help but destroy the painting with a knife and then turn it to himself. The other characters arrive to find his study in shambles, the portrait in ruins and Dorian a desiccated husk of a corpse riddled with disease and pestilence. Both of these characters are very different people but they have something in common - popularity. People in France wanted to see a paragon of the society that previously hosed them get hosed back hard enough to completely abandon it, and in Monte Cristo they got just that. They wanted to see the fey foppish enabler of the system proven to be no better than they were under all the esteem. Tropers would just boil them down to HeroicSociopath and leave it at that though, and wonder why their character is boring. It is clear to us. Hyde needs Jeckyll, Monte Cristo needs Edmund Dantes. A sociopathic character must have a reason for their behaviour, even a completely alien one like Hyde being Jeckylls suppressed urges, to make them work. Otherwise you just have an rear end in a top hat that the reader will hate for the wrong reasons.
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From one of the Accidental Innuendo sub-pages:quote:Disney's Aladdin has a famous example of unintentional innuendo in the song "A Whole New World." Aww man get a load of all that innuendo. (Actually that whole page is troperiffic as hell)
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"a new fantastic point of view" Of the bed
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tacodaemon posted:From one of the Accidental Innuendo sub-pages: The Troper's Syllogism: This is a good thing. Sex is a good thing. Therefore this is sex. Accidental Innuendo posted:Beauty and the Beast: Accidental Innuendo posted:The resulting dialogue when TRON, Flynn and Ram find a pure source. Accidental Innuendo posted:In "May the Best Pet Win", Rainbow Dash tells Twilight that her inability to understand the difference between "coolness", "awesomeness", and "radicalness" is why she would never qualify to be her pet. Errmmm... idgi posted:The lyrics of Seven Rings in Hand can easily be interpreted as masturbation jokes. "No such thing as fate for those who speed"? gently caress YOU posted:In the first Pajama Sam game, Sam will grab a plank of wood at the cost of a rope he borrowed from a tree. If you have Sam offer the wood to the tree in exchange, she'll be disgusted and tell Sam to take it away. Who the hell even notices device driver names? posted:It's a common file name in all of Sierra's adventure games, but an accidental innuendo is caused if you realise that the VGA version of Leisure Suit Larry has a device driver with the name "STD". (This filename is actually short for "standard" (in C and C++, a library that handles multiple standard C features is called cstdlib, for C standard library) since VGA is the basic resolution on most x86 computers, still often used today to safely use a computer with a bad driver without the driver being active. However, considering the game in question, it can be misinterpreted as standing for something unrelated to computers.) Opening a book to a random page and reading exactly half a sentence is completely reasonable posted:This gem from The Phantom Tollbooth: Accidental Innuendo on TvTropes itself?! posted:The Laconic entry for Well, Excuse Me, Princess! states "The Magical Girlfriend calls out her love interest's shortcomings." That's not accidental, that's called a joke posted:Community:
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The Troper's Syllogism: This is a good thing. Sex is a good thing. Therefore this is sex. Don't forget, sex is a good thing because being mature and edgy is good
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Another entry on that Accidental Innuendo page indicates that at least one troper doesn't know what "accidental" means:quote:The Sylvester Stallone film Oscar gets two good in-film moments from linguist Dr. Poole (Tim Curry), both involving linguistic terms — the first comes when he comments on Lisa's (Marisa Tomei's) "nicely rounded diphthongs", only to have have Snaps (Stallone's character) reply that they're "what got her in this jam [Lisa's fake pregnancy]." He later comments on another (male) character's "dangling participle", and the character responds by turning around and checking his fly. Then again, this is Tim Curry (and might explain why he liked the role so much)...
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The Troper's Syllogism: This is a good thing. Sex is a good thing. Therefore this is sex. The stuff you quoted pissed me off way more than it should have.
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The Pajama Sam one clearly involves the tree being disgusted because you are offering it a dead, chopped up piece of another tree. It's not difficult to get why a tree would be upset about a wooden board and it doesn't involve dicks.
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TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: Everything is actually rape
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RareAcumen posted:TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: Everything is actually rape Never has this been more appropriate.
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RareAcumen posted:TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: Everything is actually rape But tropers will accuse feminists of the same thing and treat it as a bad thing there. : "Only the alpha male gets to call anything an innuendo and gets away with it, bitch." The only thing that isn't considered rape to them is Byde fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Byde posted:But tropers will accuse feminists of the same thing and treat it as a bad thing there. : "Only the alpha male gets to call anything an innuendo and gets away with it, bitch." I think you're thinking of redditors and 4channers. I can't think off the top of my head of any tropers ever talking about "alpha males" or that kind of stuff (except for one of those guys who wanted to gently caress lola - the one who wasn't the potatohead). Honestly, I don't think the concept would appeal to them, since they don't like people who have sex. And anyway, calling someone a bitch would be a form of criticism and criticism not being allowed under any circumstances is like the one rule they stick with. That's part of why they're such bad writers, but on the other hand it also means they can't be as hateful and venomous as, say, redditors.
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tacodaemon posted:From one of the Accidental Innuendo sub-pages: Eh, tropers didn't come up with that interpretation. People have been saying A Whole New World is about bonin' pretty much as long as Aladdin has been out.
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BioEnchanted posted:Look at the Count of Monte Cristo and The Portrait of Dorian Gray. Lottery of Babylon posted:The Troper's Syllogism: This is a good thing. Sex is a good thing. Therefore this is sex. Both of these posts should be in the op of the next thread as they're pretty much the best summary of tvtropes you can get without going into super gross rapey territory.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, tropers didn't come up with that interpretation. People have been saying A Whole New World is about bonin' pretty much as long as Aladdin has been out. Yeah, but those interpretations don't actually involve the lyrics of the song itself very much. It has more to do with the way it's sung, the dialogue before the song, the context of Aladdin flying up to Jasmine's balcony in the middle of the night, and so on. Posting a text transcript of the lyrics is the easiest way to argue that the song isn't innuendo because you can't get innuendo from the lyrics alone unless you're really trying. KiteAuraan posted:The Pajama Sam one clearly involves the tree being disgusted because you are offering it a dead, chopped up piece of another tree. It's not difficult to get why a tree would be upset about a wooden board and it doesn't involve dicks. They mention that as another interpretation (secondary to the innuendo one of course). They call it Fridge Horror. Pajama Sam was the best and tropers abusing it makes me way angrier than it should. Let's see what else they've done to it. Pajama Sam Nightmare Fuel posted:Darkness. Although Dark Is Not Evil, just lonely, he still managed to traumatize many children. Darkness literally doesn't appear until the last scene of the game and isn't even remotely scary when he does. I played the game when I was like five years old and I guarantee nobody was ever scared by him, let alone "traumatized". Pajama Sam posted:Guide Dang It: It's a long sequence of events, but you don't need a guide because each individual step is very straightforward. Bridge asks for some gold as a toll? Better find some gold. Path boarded off? Get a hammer to remove the boards. If five-year-old-me didn't need gamefaqs, neither do you. Pajama Sam Wild Mass Guessing posted:Sams’ house is an interdimensional hub— and his Mom knows. NO THE CARROT ISN'T SAM'S FATHER GO gently caress YOURSELF
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NobbytheSheep posted:I think you might be thinking of DrunkScriblerian. He used to bang on about being drunk all the time, don't know if he still does. He also had a girlfriend who posted on there as DrunkGirlfriend. Yes. That is correct. I knew it started with a "d."
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Lottery of Babylon posted:NO THE CARROT ISN'T SAM'S FATHER GO gently caress YOURSELF Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Byde posted:The only thing that isn't considered rape to them is Haha, it's loving poetic. They see rape everywhere, except in cases of actual rape in which case ew no that would be too distasteful to admit.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Eh, that's different. "Wild Mass Guessing" is basically a self-aware Cinema Discusso where they deliberately come up with the most absurd, contrived "readings" that they can as a joke. 99% of it is just unfunny bullshit (The three ladies in A Wrinkle in Time are Time Lords! Q is a Time Lord! The John DeLancie character in My Little Pony is Q and also a Time Lord!!!), but I'll admit that I got a kick out of this one. <Character> is the <n>th Doctor, <Character> is Haruhi, <Story> is actually just part of <Main Character's> coma, and <Story> is the <Future/Past> of <Story that is presently popular>. Wild Mass Guessing is a thing that's mildly amusing when you're tooling around with a friend and just kind of crack a joke, but then on a communal level it turns into a rehashing of memes.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Eh, that's different. "Wild Mass Guessing" is basically a self-aware Cinema Discusso where they deliberately come up with the most absurd, contrived "readings" that they can as a joke. 99% of it is just unfunny bullshit (The three ladies in A Wrinkle in Time are Time Lords! Q is a Time Lord! The John DeLancie character in My Little Pony is Q and also a Time Lord!!!), but I'll admit that I got a kick out of this one. I think at this point its a terrifying Poe's Law hybrid of both. Heck, some of the more serious ones try and keep track of which guesses were proven or disproven (which, considering there's a million monkeys on a million typewriters there, happens decently often.)
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"four drinks in two hours). If one has binged more than once in a six-month period, this is generally a sign of ongoing alcohol abuse" Lolll
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Guide Dang It is when videogames don't tell you things you need to know and you need a walkthrough to figure out what to do.Guide Dang It: Racing posted:Games which have a checklist of objectives, like Kirby Air Ride, often do not tell you what the objectives are before you complete them. This leads to a few of the objectives becoming Guide Dang Its. In KAR's case, how would anyone guess to win a race on a certain track without touching the walls even once? Well, the game does reveal a few of the uncleared objectives when you start to clear them, but for most of them, they'll be completed without you knowing what they are or that you've completed them. Here's how the Kirby Air Ride objective system works: The objectives are arranged in a rectangular grid. When you complete an objective, it shows up on the grid, and it reveals what the four objectives surrounding it are. It's true that at first no objectives are visible, but a lot of the objectives are easy things like "Have a race on each track!" that you're guaranteed to complete just by playing the game normally. Each completed objective reveals four other objectives, and once you've started completing objectives you know what to aim for and can consciously try to complete others, so you pretty quickly reveal the entire grid and know what all the weird objectives are and can do them on purpose. You're not expected to accidentally finish an entire race without touching the walls, you're expected to do it on purpose because the grid told you to do it. Guide Dang It: Strategy posted:Lego Rock Raiders That definitely sounds like something that requires a guidebook to resolve. Note that monsters die in 1-2 shots and it costs you nothing to arm your units. Guide Dang It: Platform Game posted:Shadow the Hedgehog doesn't have many moments like this, with one notable exception. The Hero mission for Space Gadget is just the Neutral mission on a time limit. If you want to get to Cosmic Fall from this level (by clearing the Neutral mission), you have to run out the clock on the Hero mission first, otherwise the game will count it as you passing the Hero mission and instead send you to Final Haunt. This is the only stage where something like this happens. It's a dumb mechanic, but the pause screen that shows you the mission objectives tells you that those are your goals. You don't exactly need a guide to figure out that the way to finish the level without finishing in under a certain time limit is to finish after that time limit has expired. (Yes I played Shadow the Hedgehog shut up I was a dumb kid) Guide Dang It: Platform Game posted:In order to get to Rusty Bucket Bay in Banjo-Kazooie, you need to transform into a pumpkin and go under a gate in the graveyard room where you enter a building which results in other things happening, but the gate doesn't look like it has a hole. Pretty sure the gate doesn't have a hole. You're supposed to break the gate in your normal form, then return as a pumpkin. Guide Dang It: Other posted:Good luck getting through Knightmare without divining what you were supposed to do, the game was easily made unwinnable with the no backtracking rule. It's a television game show. There are no guidebooks. They make the game luck-based because they need to keep the win rates down. Hope that helps. Guide Dang It: Pokemon posted:The games start you off in your room in the upstairs part of your house. Going downstairs is intuitive, but nowhere does it say that the little floor mat marks the front door of your house. lol Guide Dang It: Other posted:In Real Life, socializing can be this.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatOneLevel There are times in video games where, instead of a boss becoming infamous for being frustrating and/or difficult, a level does. It could be that it is infested with Goddamned Bats or Demonic Spiders, is really long, repetitive, and has few or no check points, is home to That One Boss, is home to That One Puzzle (or at least one with a Guide Dang It), has you trying to outrun an Advancing Wall of Doom or otherwise sticks you with auto scrolling, has a Scrappy Mechanic in play (often from a level-specific Unexpected Gameplay Change) or is The Maze level. If you experience frustration and anger at a level that may have one or more of these symptoms, congratulations: you're playing That One Level. It's a list of really hard levels in games, which is loving asinine to begin with. And they pick the most pathetic poo poo, too: quote:The line of Junior Arcades by Humongous Entertainment typically had at least one instance. I'm so frustrated by Putt-Putt And Pep's Dog on a Stick
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Yeah, I had trouble with that too. When I was 6. And playing a gameboy for the first time in my life.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:
Let's be honest, this is the only one you needed to post.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Let's be honest, this is the only one you needed to post. I wonder if the guy who wrote that grew up to be a PUA. That page (or a similarly themed one) used to have an amazingly long faux-psychologist I'm Super Smart Listen To Me rant about the barrel in sonic 3 that spergs always have trouble with but unfortunately it seems to be gone now.
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bucketmouse posted:I wonder if the guy who wrote that grew up to be a PUA. It was definitely that one. It was how I discovered the site in the first place many years ago, through a link from this forum. poo poo just came full circle for me.
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Let's be honest, this is the only one you needed to post. Oh my god that is basicaly the entire site in a nutshell. TVTropes: Real Life is hard (also RAPE) HapiMerchant fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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I was looking through another Accidental Innuendo page and learned that tropers think Georgia O'Keeffe's flower paintings are an example of accidental innuendo.
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tacodaemon posted:I was looking through another Accidental Innuendo page and learned that tropers think Georgia O'Keeffe's flower paintings are an example of accidental innuendo. Maybe she painted one that accidentally came out looking like a penis
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bucketmouse posted:That page (or a similarly themed one) used to have an amazingly long faux-psychologist I'm Super Smart Listen To Me rant about the barrel in sonic 3 that spergs always have trouble with but unfortunately it seems to be gone now. quote:As seen to the right, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, That loving barrel in Carnival Night Zone, also known as"Barrel of Doom" (solution: stand on the barrel and press UP and DOWN on the D-pad in sync with the barrel's bobbing motion to shift its weight). This was such a bad case of the trope that Yuji Naka publicly apologized for it in 2011 at Summer Of Sonic in London.
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tacodaemon posted:I was looking through another Accidental Innuendo page and learned that tropers think Georgia O'Keeffe's flower paintings are an example of accidental innuendo. Well, you do have to wonder about anyone who dedicates their lives to painting plant genitalia...
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Is it just me or does That One Level seems to only rarely be about points in games that are brutally unfair and are instead the troper just being bad at games? Case in point, there's complaining about the LEGO crossover games that are pretty easy for the most part and don't punish you for dying outside of losing some studs. There's also complaining about Dynasty Warriors which is also odd since it's not exactly difficult either.
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Testekill posted:Is it just me or does That One Level seems to only rarely be about points in games that are brutally unfair and are instead the troper just being bad at games? Case in point, there's complaining about the LEGO crossover games that are pretty easy for the most part and don't punish you for dying outside of losing some studs. It probably does mean that for harder games, but when Every Trope must apply to Every Game, they really need to stretch the definitions. Sorta like what happened to Nightmare Fuel.
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Shwoo posted:Was it this? Nah, that's well-structured and sane by comparison. The one I'm thinking of uses the word 'discourse' a bunch and tries to compare the experience of solving the barrel puzzle with seeing other dudes' junk in the changing room of gym class. I'm sure someone has it saved, it's one of those things that you're almost sure has to be parody except it's so unbelievably loving long (1500? words) and spergy that there's no way it can be.
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Is this sort of an anime mock thread by default because of how much space it takes up on TV Tropes or is there a more dedicated/"official" thread somewhere else on Something Awful?
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