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What is this audio of a witness saying Brown was moving towards Wilson when he was shot?
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Pollyanna posted:How does it make it pretty clear that it's Brown? Identical clothing and build. Everything from the socks/sandals to the hat is the same. Same height and massive size.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:44
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I hope after this stupid handjob for this retiring reporter she asks him something appropriately brutal about Ferguson.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:44
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CNN saying Brown charged the cop, "confirmed" somehow by an anonymous source "close to the investigation"
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Aug 18, 2014 21:45
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Gregor Samsa posted:He seems noticeably more comfortable and enthused talking about Iraq than about Missouri. Getting to talk about us being The Good Guys and saving huddled masses of refugees from certain doom by a band of Saturday morning cartoon villains is probably a lot better than dwelling on the centuries long issue of discrimination and abuse by of authorities of people like him, and that even though he now holds the highest office in the land he is still effectively constrained to do anything about it. Yeah.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:45
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Obama: Police talk like this and the community talks like that
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Aug 18, 2014 21:46
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Petr posted:CNN saying Brown charged the cop, "confirmed" somehow by an anonymous source "close to the investigation" It was michael brown, from the grave.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:48
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Petr posted:CNN saying Brown charged the cop, "confirmed" somehow by an anonymous source "close to the investigation"  its McCullah
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Aug 18, 2014 21:48
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Make up your mind, American Right: did he struggle over the weapon, or did he charge the cop? I can't imagine even the dumbest of the dumb being dumb enough to charge a cop who has a loaded gun literally in his hand.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:50
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How many Americans know what "inculcate" means? Obama no turn left.... e: Jesus this is a rambling answer, all over the map. "Some law enforcers just need more information." Like what, "don't shoot unarmed people even if they are a Colored," or what here? Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Aug 18, 2014 21:50
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My brothers keeper is right out of "the thick of it" pathfinder.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:51
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Mo_Steel posted:How many Americans know what "inculcate" means? I am simultaneously very frustrated with and feel very bad for Obama every time he talks about this poo poo. e: There "may be" disparities in trials and sentencing, there "may be" institutional reasons for some of this criminal behavior, etc.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:51
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Mo_Steel posted:How many Americans know what "inculcate" means? I admit I don't know what it means so I googled inculate and urban dictionary educated me.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:52
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This rambling response is guaranteed to just piss everyone off.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:52
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Petr posted:CNN saying Brown charged the cop, "confirmed" somehow by an anonymous source "close to the investigation" http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 From the sounds of it one of Wilson's friends called into a radio station and reiterated Wilson's claims about what happened, and then one of the investigators confirmed this what Wilson told them. Of course I already see people online jumping to the conclusion that this confirms another witness corroborated with Wilson's story. 
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Aug 18, 2014 21:52
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wasnt obama good at making speeches at some point?
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Aug 18, 2014 21:52
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He basically gave a vague non-answer that talked around the issue than address it directly.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:52
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Meowjesty posted:HOW. EvilHawk posted:You don't. If you look at the top stories on CNN, Fox, and MSNBC, tear gassing children only appears once (on CNN). However, CNN mentions the (fictitious by some accounts) claim that molotovs were thrown two paragraphs above that, Fox describes the protestors turning the city into a "war zone" (as if the police aren't the ones doing that), and MSNBC mentions "the violent acts we saw last night, including the firing upon law enforcement officers, the shooting of a civilian, the throwing of Molotov cocktails, looting and a coordinated attempt to overrun the unified Command Center". I wanna say this is true, but not necessarily. At least in terms of the disparity there between Black and White people that are viewing this case, you can't account for it by difference in news sources alone. I did some research based on a similar disparity on responses to Trayvon Martin. Most people I got info from we're looking at major news sources, but also other ones, liberal news sources, etc. And everyone looked at these same sources, Black and White people. And I still found the same difference in answers. Even accounting for their beliefs about race (so there were white people who could say that people of color are treated unfairly, acknowledge racism, etc), and I still found a difference. Not as large, but still there. Basically, this is about more than news sources. You could show people all of the pictures and love streams and tweets refuting what the major news is saying, but you can't as easily change how people interpret what they see. Edit: OK, never posting from the mobile app again, I don't know wtf happened when I first posted this, but i fixed it now. yoyomama fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Aug 18, 2014 21:53
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Misogynist posted:Make up your mind, American Right: did he struggle over the weapon, or did he charge the cop? I can't imagine even the dumbest of the dumb being dumb enough to charge a cop who has a loaded gun literally in his hand. This happens fairly often actually. So yeah.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:53
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Pollyanna posted:No. In fact, the only evidence of molotov cocktails and guns have been due to white people getting arrested. Yeah, that's not correct. I mean, the police reports of "we've been attacked dozens of times" are pretty clearly bullshit but there is at least one photo of a Molotov from last week and the people lighting it aren't white. http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/ferguson-in-pictures/html_24b2b105-90e3-5ef0-9c65-769e848c0d31.html (you want one of the Wednesday photos for the Molotov, but I recommend the entire series, Post-Dispatch photographer did a nice job.)
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Aug 18, 2014 21:54
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Misogynist posted:Did he struggle over the weapon, or did he charge the cop? I can't imagine even the dumbest of the dumb being dumb enough to charge a cop who has a loaded gun literally in his hand. Well, after he was a suspect of a murder investigation a few yards ago he held a grudge against the police. Combined with the  confirmed devils weed in his system and that he just committed strong-arm robbery he rushed the cop because he was a criminal A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Aug 18, 2014 21:54
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What ever happened to the dead white guy with a swastika tattoo?
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Aug 18, 2014 21:54
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A big flaming stink posted:wasnt obama good at making speeches at some point? Yeah but he's degenerating into the Cryptkeeper so by this point next year the speeches will be 30% ghastly puns
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Aug 18, 2014 21:54
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A big flaming stink posted:wasnt obama good at making speeches at some point? Yes, in contrast to bush.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:54
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One think that I am confident about regarding this whole thing is that, truly, Chaos Reigns.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:55
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Pollyanna posted:I don't remember that incident well but if they're anything like Boston cops they prolly deserved it. Black professor I think was arrested trying to enter his home while locked out of it. Obama said the cop acted stupidly for not asking the guy if he lived there before arresting them. The media, predictably, rushed to explain why the cop was justified for immediately arresting a black guy for being in an upscale neighborhood and Obama decided to calm things down by having an apology beer with the cop.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:55
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"Ban Ki-moon posted:U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged U.S. authorities to protect protesters' rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/18/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKBN0GF0LP20140818 
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Aug 18, 2014 21:56
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The "you're not gonna shoot me!" war cry prior to the rhino charge is about as believable as Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon said, "you're going to die tonight." The claim, in both cases actually, that "he looks like he's on something" is just the icing on the cake.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:57
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zen death robot posted:
Look, you can't just call for a, ahhh, purge night in Louisville. It's not, it may not be, fair to those on...the ground. No, you may have Holder inculcate the county to the Mace of the United States. And, this is why, we have to stand together as a country. What they haven't been getting, I could say, is that I have the Mace. They don't.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:57
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the prosecutor who's dad was a cop that got killed on duty and seems to be taking all of this extremely personally?
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I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest part of why Obama's being so rambly and "truth is in the middle"-ish has some, perhaps much, to do with the flak he caught when he dared to express the slightest sympathy for Trayvon Martin after that young man's murder. Were Obama to repeat any sort of similar "I, a black man, find it unacceptable that younger black men tend to get killed on the flimsiest of pretexts" he'd bring the howling crazies out of the woodwork to a much greater degree than they already are, with accusations flying that he's either racializing or politicizing a tragedy for his own ends. Presuming I'm standing on even mildly solid ground here, I'd imagine that's an immensely frustrating position to be in and would likely contribute to him being off his word game at the moment.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:59
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Kalman posted:Yeah, that's not correct. I mean, the police reports of "we've been attacked dozens of times" are pretty clearly bullshit but there is at least one photo of a Molotov from last week and the people lighting it aren't white. There's one of an unlit Molotov. Protesters try unsuccessfully to light a Molotov cocktail as the police prepare to advance on Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2014, in Ferguson. It was the fourth night of unrest in Ferguson after the fatal police shooting of a teen on Saturday. Photo by Chris Lee, clee@post-dispatch.com Protestors put out at least one, I know, so there definitely were some earlier in the week, but none from last night I've seen evidence of?
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A big flaming stink posted:wasnt obama good at making speeches at some point? No he really wasn't, I never understood this phenomenon. I think the national standards were lowered over the Bush administration or something.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:00
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I imagine Obama's been on the phone with the leaders trying to negotiate Ukraine-Russia yesterday. But you'd think he could fit in five hours of sleep somewhere.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:00
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest part of why Obama's being so rambly and "truth is in the middle"-ish has some, perhaps much, to do with the flak he caught when he dared to express the slightest sympathy for Trayvon Martin after that young man's murder. Were Obama to repeat any sort of similar "I, a black man, find it unacceptable that younger black men tend to get killed on the flimsiest of pretexts" he'd bring the howling crazies out of the woodwork to a much greater degree than they already are, with accusations flying that he's either racializing or politicizing a tragedy for his own ends. I basically share your perspective on this. Gregor Samsa posted:I am simultaneously very frustrated with and feel very bad for Obama every time he talks about this poo poo.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:00
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A big flaming stink posted:wasnt obama good at making speeches at some point? He still is, but a speech is different than a press conference.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:01
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Kalman posted:Yeah, that's not correct. I mean, the police reports of "we've been attacked dozens of times" are pretty clearly bullshit but there is at least one photo of a Molotov from last week and the people lighting it aren't white.  This is what a Molotov cocktail being thrown looks like. That is a tear gas canister and that photo was from several nights ago.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:02
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Obama's always been awful at short, concise answers. You saw the same thing at the debates. His speeches probably aren't as good as they used to, now that Jon Favreau isn't his speechwriter anymore.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:04
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ufarn posted:I imagine Obama's been on the phone with the leaders trying to negotiate Ukraine-Russia yesterday. But you'd think he could fit in five hours of sleep somewhere. Things Obama had to deal with last night/this morninf: Russia invading Europe Ebola is real. Ebola is real. 'Hey, PM of Norway, I'm giving you the heads up that when this call ends, a drone strikes a Norwegian jihadist in Iraq. We still cool?' 'loving hell Warren, can't you make the trains run a little bit on time?' 'Holder, take thee Mace of the United States and  those chucklefucks from across our river.'
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Aug 18, 2014 22:04
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I'm glad that Obama won't stick his neck out for anyone or anything, for fear that "the crazies" "might" come out.
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Kalman posted:Yeah, that's not correct. I mean, the police reports of "we've been attacked dozens of times" are pretty clearly bullshit but there is at least one photo of a Molotov from last week and the people lighting it aren't white. Yeah, there's one picture of a Molotov from last week and apparently the group failed to get it to light and gave up. Not exactly on the level of "dem violent rioters are tossing fire bottles and shootin' and chargin' the command post" that the media is trying to claim.
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