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Aug 19, 2014 00:56
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Discendo Vox posted:This debate is intractable- what does DnD think was Vonnegut's worst work? The college literature paper about himself that he was paid to write by and for Thornton Melon.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:56
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Breakfast of Champions is his best work and I will fight anyone who disagrees. i agree because its the one (non-pornographic) book out there that tells you every male character's penis size and what more do you need to know to determine what really makes a man tick? is he secure in his penis size, or insecure? and there it is
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Aug 19, 2014 01:01
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Discendo Vox posted:This debate is intractable- what does DnD think was Vonnegut's worst work? Harrison Bergeron because the only time it gets brought up is to talk about how black people have naturally lower IQs
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Aug 19, 2014 01:05
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Badger of Basra posted:Harrison Bergeron because the only time it gets brought up is to talk about how black people have naturally lower IQs You hang out with some hosed up people
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Aug 19, 2014 01:07
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Want the whole point of Harrison Bergeron to be all "ha ha this is what you idiots think socialism is"?
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Aug 19, 2014 01:09
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The point of Harrison Bergeron was to satire all manner of preachy sci-fi (especially Heinlein-esque types).
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Aug 19, 2014 01:11
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If that was what the author intended I've never heard it, everyone I know who knows of the story, including the 6th-grade lit teacher who assigned it to us to read, said its message was 'this is what socialism is and why it's bad'.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:12
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Mother Night is a really good Vonnegut book.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:14
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Discendo Vox posted:This debate is intractable- what does DnD think was Vonnegut's worst work? I never finished Sirens of Titan, so it would be that one I guess?
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Aug 19, 2014 01:20
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I've used Slaughterhouse Five in teaching American history but it usually backfires. Instead of outrage at moral abhorrence of "So it goes" students seem to accept it as a moral code in the face of history's greatest cruelties. Maybe it's a reflection of people of a certain age in university feeling like they have no choices to make or ability to affect society's decisions, or what, but it's kinda distressing!
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Aug 19, 2014 01:53
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Discendo Vox posted:This debate is intractable- what does DnD think was Vonnegut's worst work? Venus on the Half-Shell.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:08
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my dad thinks harrison bergeron means vonnegut basically endorses ayn rand objectivism lmao
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Aug 19, 2014 02:08
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Swan Oat posted:Mother Night is a really good Vonnegut book. This guy right here? He knows what is up.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:10
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made of bees posted:If that was what the author intended I've never heard it, everyone I know who knows of the story, including the 6th-grade lit teacher who assigned it to us to read, said its message was 'this is what socialism is and why it's bad'. Where did you go to school as a kid?
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Aug 19, 2014 02:10
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Hedera Helix posted:I never finished Sirens of Titan, so it would be that one I guess? I've never touched that one but a friend of mine who only reads comic books and the kind of science fiction where the only character is the future technology liked it so that's my guess as well.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:10
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Nintendo Kid posted:Where did you go to school as a kid? this a pretty common reading in my experience. people are loving stupid
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Aug 19, 2014 02:11
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These are the same people who think George Orwell was an anti-socialist because of 1984 fyi
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Aug 19, 2014 02:20
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THS posted:this a pretty common reading in my experience. people are loving stupid Yeah. 1984 often gets misused in the same fashion, and Orwell appropriated to right-wing causes he actively fought (on occasion literally) while alive.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:21
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the message of animal farm is that socialism will always fail and the working class will be sent off to get turned into glue. in conclusion, animal farm can be compared and contrasted.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:21
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orwell's non-fiction stuff is a lot better than his fiction anyway imo. not even just famous stuff like homage to catalonia or politics and the english language, but even his book reviews of books ive never read or him blatantly fantasizing about a socialist england waging wwii as a "people's war" are interesting to read. i think it's the tone he writes in, he just sounds so reasonable that no matter what he's writing it's hard not to have a receptive attitude toward it
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Aug 19, 2014 02:27
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i like the story he wrote about peeing in bed
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Aug 19, 2014 02:30
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paranoid randroid posted:the message of animal farm is that socialism will always fail and the working class will be sent off to get turned into glue. in conclusion, animal farm can be compared and contrasted. Pigs are animals of contrasts...
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Aug 19, 2014 03:04
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True story in senior AP English I was asked to write a five page paper about "symbolism" in Cry the Beloved Country
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Aug 19, 2014 03:04
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The best deliberate misunderstanding of Orwell is John Dolan's effort to prove Orwell was a vicious racist by pretending to misunderstand "Shooting an Elephant"
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Aug 19, 2014 03:09
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Pornographic Memory posted:orwell's non-fiction stuff is a lot better than his fiction anyway imo. not even just famous stuff like homage to catalonia or politics and the english language, but even his book reviews of books ive never read or him blatantly fantasizing about a socialist england waging wwii as a "people's war" are interesting to read. i think it's the tone he writes in, he just sounds so reasonable that no matter what he's writing it's hard not to have a receptive attitude toward it I recently found myself reading Raffles and Miss Blandish, about the change in tone in crime novels. Nice to read even though it is very "kids these days"  .
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Aug 19, 2014 03:13
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Pornographic Memory posted:orwell's non-fiction stuff is a lot better than his fiction anyway imo. not even just famous stuff like homage to catalonia or politics and the english language, but even his book reviews of books ive never read or him blatantly fantasizing about a socialist england waging wwii as a "people's war" are interesting to read. i think it's the tone he writes in, he just sounds so reasonable that no matter what he's writing it's hard not to have a receptive attitude toward it Down and Out in London and Paris and Road to Wigan Pier are two of my absolute favorite reads, though 1984 is still my all-time favorite Orwell. I inherited a copy from an uncle when I was, frankly, probably too young to really get all the nuance of it, and it's almost falling apart since I've read it so many times.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:18
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Down and Out in London and Paris and Road to Wigan Pier are two of my absolute favorite reads, though 1984 is still my all-time favorite Orwell. I inherited a copy from an uncle when I was, frankly, probably too young to really get all the nuance of it, and it's almost falling apart since I've read it so many times. i didn't read road to wigan pier, but down and out in paris and london was pretty good. it does a good job of showing why relying on private charity to help poor people is retarded when he talks about how all the hobos were forced to sit at religious sermons for hours which they gave zero fucks about just so they could get, what, some tea and a slice of bread with margarine or something similarly skimpy. just a colossal waste of time for both the vagrants and the church, but a man's gotta eat and the church has to feel all high and mighty like they're saving their souls so they dangle their little carrot out for them the whole episode with the russian scam artists in paris pretending to be communists running a newspaper was pretty funny too
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Aug 19, 2014 03:32
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No love for Burmese Days? I loved it. It felt biographical, almost. Really holds a mirror up to you and makes you question your beliefs/strength of your convictions
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Aug 19, 2014 03:42
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So, for those of you who to claim know anything about how economies and inequality and all that rotten 100 degrees Calcium fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 03:54
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Pornographic Memory posted:i didn't read road to wigan pier, You should read Wigan Pier.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:17
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Pornographic Memory posted:i didn't read road to wigan pier, but down and out in paris and london was pretty good. it does a good job of showing why relying on private charity to help poor people is retarded when he talks about how all the hobos were forced to sit at religious sermons for hours which they gave zero fucks about just so they could get, what, some tea and a slice of bread with margarine or something similarly skimpy. just a colossal waste of time for both the vagrants and the church, but a man's gotta eat and the church has to feel all high and mighty like they're saving their souls so they dangle their little carrot out for them Near the end, he more or less nails the problem with spikes being that they treat poverty as a moral failing, rather than an economic hardship, and that they intentionally waste food, "because you don't want to make it easy for the scum" or suchlike, and make the experience miserable out of petty-mindedness more than anything else. I find that observation still relevant in many ways. comes along bort posted:You should read Wigan Pier. You absolutely should read Wigan Pier.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:29
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paranoid randroid posted:the message of animal farm is that socialism will always fail and the working class will be sent off to get turned into glue. in conclusion, animal farm can be compared and contrasted. Allow me to compare and contrast Animal Farm and 1984 in a five paragraph essay.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:36
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in conclusion orwell is a land of contrasts
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Aug 19, 2014 04:38
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Evil Sagan posted:So, for those of you who to claim know anything about how economies and inequality and all that rotten I found it long but very accessible and interesting. The policy recommendations are the weakest section, but the overall analysis seemed pretty convincing from a non-experts point of view. Dude really loves his Austen and Balzac too.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:42
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Evil Sagan posted:So, for those of you who to claim know anything about how economies and inequality and all that rotten It's a very long book that tells you that capitalism inevitably concentrates wealth in the hands of a microscopically small elite. I've also read Infinite Jest if you have q's about that.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:42
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Sophomore year, AP English, we were given copies of Ayn Rand's little book Anthem and given an assignment to write a paper with the theme, "Ayn Rand's Anthem As A Scathing Condemnation Of Collectivism." To this day I don't know if my English teacher had any particular agenda, there. She never took a pro or con stance on why Rand condemned Collectivism, only that it was a theme we should all be able to support with our meager writing skills using just the source material. I just remember the word "scathing" making me wonder.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:44
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Dr. Faustus posted:Sophomore year, AP English, we were given copies of Ayn Rand's little book Anthem and given an assignment to write a paper with the theme, "Ayn Rand's Anthem As A Scathing Condemnation Of Collectivism." this is standard curriculum in a lot of school districts, she probably had nothing to do with the term "scathing"
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Aug 19, 2014 04:46
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Cat's Cradle is my favorite Vonnegut book btw.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:46
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anthem is americas 1984 and its assigned to millions of students there is no joke or punchline there
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Aug 19, 2014 04:47
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