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That and most of the block shaped counties are in the great plains, where there are few natural borders and the land was taken from people who didn't really have the concept of a nation state with defined borders.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Block-shaped counties/provinces/states/regions in Western Europe. Somewhere in his parents basement a paradox interactive fan stares at a map of Europe. Shaking his fist at the unsightly borders lines before him he murmurs "this time, this time things will be different."
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Aug 19, 2014 08:33
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Carbon dioxide posted:A history of feudalism does wonders to borders.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:06
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There are actually a few boxy counties/equivalents in China but I'm lazy so here's just the full map of subdivisions:
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Aug 19, 2014 15:34
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Vorpal Cat posted:Somewhere in his parents basement a paradox interactive fan stares at a map of Europe. Shaking his fist at the unsightly borders lines before him he murmurs "this time, this time things will be different." New world borders are so ugly. Borders must follow rivers and mountain ranges, drat it!
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Aug 19, 2014 15:39
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Deltasquid posted:New world borders are so ugly. Borders must follow rivers and mountain ranges, drat it! They do this in South America a whole bunch.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:41
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Hey, did you guys know that an independent state called the Tuvan People's Republic existed for twenty-three years, from 1921 to 1944? It was a region of Qing China for centuries, broke off around the turn of the century, was annexed by tsarist Russia and eventually granted "independence" after the revolution. It even supplied troops against Germany during WWII! The USSR annexed it towards the end of the war and it is now part of the Russian Federation. Its independence was only recognized by the fellow communist states of Mongolia and the Soviet Union. 
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Aug 19, 2014 16:21
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It seems they put modern country borders around the empire, instead of the empire's original Limes. Which went right through the middle of the modern Netherlands, for instance. The northern half of the Netherlands was never part of the Roman Empire, while parts of modern Germany were. Edit: Wait, why don't I just add a map?  Green = Areas that were once part of the Roman Empire Magenta/Cyan = Possibly areas of the Empire, disputed by historians or only very briefly occupied. Yellow = Limes/border defences. As far as I can tell, the limes are not complete on this map. For instance, they followed the entire Rhine river all the way down to the Netherlands North Sea delta. Edible Hat posted:Hey, did you guys know that an independent state called the Tuvan People's Republic existed for twenty-three years, from 1921 to 1944? It was a region of Qing China for centuries, broke off around the turn of the century, was annexed by tsarist Russia and eventually granted "independence" after the revolution. It even supplied troops against Germany during WWII! The USSR annexed it towards the end of the war and it is now part of the Russian Federation. Its independence was only recognized by the fellow communists states of Mongolia and the Soviet Union. I did not know that. So this is currently a region of Russia that has a Chinese culture? Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 16:31
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Carbon dioxide posted:I did not know that. So this is currently a region of Russia that has a Chinese culture? More Mongolic than Chinese, and there are several Russian regions that have those.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:46
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The Tuvans are a Turkic people whose language and culture more closely resemble Mongolia's than China's. Most Tuvans practice Buddhism. In fact, when the leader of Tuva instituted Buddhism as the state religion, the USSR orchestrated a coup and put in a place a Stalinist puppet. Here is the pretty rad flag of independent Tuva: 
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Aug 19, 2014 16:53
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They made it all the way down the Euphrates!? Man did they ever get around.
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Carbon dioxide posted:It seems they put modern country borders around the empire, instead of the empire's original Limes. Which went right through the middle of the modern Netherlands, for instance. The northern half of the Netherlands was never part of the Roman Empire, while parts of modern Germany were. AHHH AFAIK, the Romans came up to the Rhine (at Utrecht) and were able to conquer the Batavians, but not the Frisians. The Frisians did however ally with the Romans, but never coalesced into the empire proper. This Frisian independence was maintained for a long time after. Charlemagne granted them some sort of out from the feudal system and they remained independent throughout the middle ages as an autonomous collective, and are still recognized as a separate group within the Netherlands with their own language, etc., consistently voting in the modern era for the labor party and for socialists (probably due to their lack of feudal struggle).
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Konstantin posted:That and most of the block shaped counties are in the great plains, where there are few natural borders and the land was taken from people who didn't really have the concept of a nation state with defined borders. The French? 
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Aug 19, 2014 17:28
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Count Roland posted:They made it all the way down the Euphrates!? Man did they ever get around. For, like, two years:  Trajan went a bit nuts and overstretched the empire's borders, Hadrian pulled things back to sanity and evacuated indefensible areas while focusing more on defending established areas than winning more territory (re: his eponymous wall).
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Aug 19, 2014 17:40
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Count Roland posted:They made it all the way down the Euphrates!? Man did they ever get around.  (From the Tabula Peutingeriana, a sort of Roman road map.)
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Edible Hat posted:Hey, did you guys know that an independent state called the Tuvan People's Republic existed for twenty-three years, from 1921 to 1944? It was a region of Qing China for centuries, broke off around the turn of the century, was annexed by tsarist Russia and eventually granted "independence" after the revolution. It even supplied troops against Germany during WWII! The USSR annexed it towards the end of the war and it is now part of the Russian Federation. Its independence was only recognized by the fellow communist states of Mongolia and the Soviet Union.
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Aug 19, 2014 18:24
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Should have posted the Tuvan Internationale  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLF7Fl4SXh8  I can't find the cool map I had showing European Communist party logos, so this'll have to do for now: 
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khwarezm posted:For, like, two years: That's what I don't get about people that say Trajan was the best Roman Emperor. While impressive his territorial gains weren't particularly long lasting.
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Mustang posted:That's what I don't get about people that say Trajan was the best Roman Emperor. While impressive his territorial gains weren't particularly long lasting. It's an old Roman aristocratic thing. Trajan bought the empire a lot of prestige with his conquests but also had good relations with the senate. Then the phrase "better than Trajan and luckier than Augustus" stuck around.
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ekuNNN posted:I can't find the cool map I had showing European Communist party logos, so this'll have to do for now: I found it, but it looks a lot crappier than I remember  (although the Turkish Communist Party's (TKP) logo is still great  )So here's another communism map: 
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Haha, I like them playing it safe by using the English acronym for the Belgian communist party. The map becomes less impressive when you realize that most of those parties get less than 1% of the vote.
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ekuNNN posted:So here's another communism map: Not a communism map but similar perspective in (more or less) the other direction. 
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C'Hall? E: oh wait, a cognate of Gaul, I'm guessing? made of bees fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 21:23
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Mustang posted:That's what I don't get about people that say Trajan was the best Roman Emperor. While impressive his territorial gains weren't particularly long lasting. I mean you could a similar argument with Marcus Aurelius who basically managed everything the world threw at him, composed a tome of stoic philosophy and was by all accounts a just and engaged ruler; who then left the empire in the hands of his monstrous son Commodus that he most likely knew would be a ruinous ruler but couldn't do anything about it. edit: Also today is the 2000th anniversary of the death of Roman emperor Augustus. 
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Aug 19, 2014 21:30
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It means "Land of the Gauls" apparently, so yep!
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Phlegmish posted:Haha, I like them playing it safe by using the English acronym for the Belgian communist party. Yeah, although the Russian КПРФ got ~15% last election (although I don't know how communist they still are, with Putin apparently allowing them to exist ), and the Greek KKE got 4.5%.While looking into a few of them I also found out that the TKP doesn't exist anymore  quote:After a period of internal strife, two rival factions of TKP reached a consensus on 15 July 2014 to freeze the activities of the party and that neither faction shall use the name and emblem of TKP.
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Some of them actually do relatively well in elections, less than 1% might be an exaggeration on my part. I know PCE usually has decent scores. As for the Russian communists, as far as I know Putin doesn't really see them as a threat, especially since they usually support him when it comes to foreign policy at least.
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made of bees posted:C'Hall? Actually no, it's from the old Germanic word "Walhaz" which meant foreigner among other things. The word for Gaul in Breton is Galia, French people are called gallaoued and Gauls gallianed. In some languages a G sound is used instead of a W (guerre/war, William/Guillaume) and C'h is the mutation used for G after Bro for grammatical reasons. Wales, Wallonia, Wallachia, and Cornwall in English have similar naming origins in English.
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I just checked on Wikipedia and apparently the Breton name for Strasbourg really is exactly the same as the German name haha. Is that supposed to be a "gently caress you" to the French or what? I mean the Breton wiki page puts the official name third, that seems kind of suspicious.
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ekuNNN posted:Yeah, although the Russian КПРФ got ~15% last election (although I don't know how communist they still are, with Putin apparently allowing them to exist Soviet Commubot posted:Actually no, it's from the old Germanic word "Walhaz" which meant foreigner among other things. The word for Gaul in Breton is Galia, French people are called gallaoued and Gauls gallianed. In some languages a G sound is used instead of a W (guerre/war, William/Guillaume) and C'h is the mutation used for G after Bro for grammatical reasons. Wales, Wallonia, Wallachia, and Cornwall in English have similar naming origins in English.
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Smirr posted:I just checked on Wikipedia and apparently the Breton name for Strasbourg really is exactly the same as the German name haha. Is that supposed to be a "gently caress you" to the French or what? I mean the Breton wiki page puts the official name third, that seems kind of suspicious. Many Bretons will try to use pronunciations similar to how it's said in the local language, like most people I know call the Basque Country "Bro Euskadi" rather than "Bro Vask" like on that map. Another example is Marseille and Bordeaux, which have the Occitan names, although being port cities the older names certainly entered into Breton before French came along. That said, in the case of that article I'd say yes, the author was probably just being petulant. A Buttery Pastry posted:It was very mean of our Germanic ancestors to name Gallia in such a way that the French would end up calling it Gaule, despite there being no etymological connection. Honestly, when I first heard this I thought my professor was loving with us.
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Soviet Commubot posted:In some languages a G sound is used instead of a W (guerre/war, William/Guillaume) IIRC the gu-/w- correspondence is usually a sign of a Germanic borrowing from a time after the Romance vernaculars no longer had an initial w- sound. A Buttery Pastry posted:It was very mean of our Germanic ancestors to name Gallia in such a way that the French would end up calling it Gaule, despite there being no etymological connection. There might be some etymological connection, since both "Gallia" and "Walhaz" are believed to be of ultimately Celtic origin. We can be pretty sure that the French "Gaule" is from the latter, though, since sound changes would have turned "Gallia" into "Jaille" (which actually appears in a few placenames in France).
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Phlegmish posted:Haha, I like them playing it safe by using the English acronym for the Belgian communist party. KSČM did manage to get almost 15% of the vote last election in the Czech Republic. Probably the highest ranking communist party on that map outside of Russia. PCP in Portugal also got 7.9%, and they do pretty well on the local level on some of the Alentejo districts.
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Cyprus' and Moldova's Communist parties are more popular, both of which have been in power in the last five years.
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Meanwhile in Finland During the cold war communist used to have 15-25%
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So I found this website where you can draw on google maps recently, and in the spirit of this thread I created the most balkanized map of Europe and the Middle East I could Behold  Most of the map is based on the pre-WW1 status quo. I read somewhere that people suggested making East Prussia an Ashkenazi Jewish state after WW2 so I went ahead with that. Scandinavia is too peaceful and boring for me to bother drawing in the borders. Spain/France/Italy get chopped up according to Romance dialect. I drew Montenegro with Serbia by mistake, but I'm not really sure what the deal is with Montenegro so fine. Kosovo is with Albania. For the record I've never played a paradox game, maybe making this map is a sign that I'm the kind of person who should steer clear of them icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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icantfindaname posted:So I found this website where you can draw on google maps recently, and in the spirit of this thread I created the most balkanized map of Europe and the Middle East I could Wheres the link?
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icantfindaname posted:So I found this website where you can draw on google maps recently, and in the spirit of this thread I created the most balkanized map of Europe and the Middle East I could Come on dude, no independent Cornwall?
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Lawman 0 posted:Wheres the link? http://www.scribblemaps.com/
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