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GunnerJ posted:The only thing holding me back from supporting the neo-classicist at this point is that we'd for sure lose the Roman aesthetic and gently caress that. Exactly this, hence 'narrow-minded Athenian'.
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Better a Greek aesthetic than a Ming one.
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Hey now, it's just a Ming idea, not an aesthetic. We'll make it all Roman-y, promise.
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Also Ming (successor) ideas: stealing most of Anatolia and smashing us up every chance they get. I've had quite enough of Ming ideas, thank you, and I hoped we had gotten this our of our system when the Sincization vote failed.
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sniper4625 posted:Also Ming (successor) ideas: stealing most of Anatolia and smashing us up every chance they get. I've had quite enough of Ming ideas, thank you, and I hoped we had gotten this our of our system when the Sincization vote failed. So, if we choose a constitution, we steal most of Anatolia back?
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Big difference by now between the Successor states and the actual Ming themselves; it hasn't been the guys with a fancy constitution that have been butchering us.
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StrifeHira posted:So, if we choose a constitution, we steal most of Anatolia back? We don't need a constitution to do that, see the map last page .
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## Support the Mustachiod Monarchist It's evident that Rome can't stand up to her rivals, and no amount of social contract is going to fix it. We need an enlightened, forward-thinking monarch and, above all, to get rid of these worthless doukes!
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sniper4625 posted:As much as I hate all the options, I hate the Ming more. Isn't the Roman heritage stealing literally everything that works from someone else and doing it better? In any case, you were right, I think. But I can't help but feel that A would have been a quick and dirty option that would have tainted any sort of an attempt at a just republic. I can't say that I really like the options on hand, either, but at least ming has constitutionalism as a guarantee and isn't weirdly pagan-fetishistic.
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##Support the Patrician Philosopher, because the Qutuzid family agrees with her statement that everything went haywire for Byzantium when we started listening to the Romanophiles!
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##Support the Scholarly Civil Servant I'm sad the Banker lost.
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##Support the Scholarly Civil Servant I am a totally unbiased and unremarkable Roman citizen, you see!
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GSD posted:All of these noble speakers have some excellent ideas. Hmm. As it seems our humble civil servant has a good following, I will give the good ##Patrician Philosopher my largely ceremonial support. She has not yet me down yet! She hasn't done anything yet.
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PleasingFungus posted:She hasn't done anything yet. On the contrary, she ensured the Empress would still lead the nation. and in doing so betrayed the only true chance for meaningful change!
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DerLeo posted:What is it with Paradox mega-LPs and developing modern political systems early? Flamboyant Schemers was a full blown military dictatorship in 1400, we have an opportunity to end up as a constitutional monarchy in the early 1600s, etc. Because the one running it and the participating audience have knowledge of modern political systems and use it to spice it up. "Well, we're a monarchy until the liberal revolutions in Vicky 2" isn't really all that interesting.
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DerLeo posted:What is it with Paradox mega-LPs and developing modern political systems early? Flamboyant Schemers was a full blown military dictatorship in 1400, we have an opportunity to end up as a constitutional monarchy in the early 1600s, etc. England almost had a constitutional monarchy about 50 or so years from where we are, it's not that implausible.
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A limited constitutional monarchy isn't at all put of period. Just because it was dysfunctional doesn't make the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth less of a limited monarchy where the big decisions were subject to the Sejm.
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DerLeo posted:What is it with Paradox mega-LPs and developing modern political systems early? Flamboyant Schemers was a full blown military dictatorship in 1400, we have an opportunity to end up as a constitutional monarchy in the early 1600s, etc. And let's not forget Emperor Ashoka, who if nothing else at least speak out against the persecution of someone based on their religion, and probably put in legislations regarding it too. And this was during the early 200s BC, a time most people barely know exist. Miracles can happen (even meta-driven goon-sponsored ones).
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Yeah, it's a lot less close than I thought it was when I was just eyeballing the votes as I followed along with the thread.  Vote closed.
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Rincewind posted:Yeah, it's a lot less close than I thought it was when I was just eyeballing the votes as I followed along with the thread. And after we rejected sinicization, too 
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We'll be Roman in tech, but that doesn't mean we don't appropriate the good parts of our enemies.
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Dibujante posted:And after we rejected sinicization, too We're not Sincizing, just constitutionizing. As far as I understand, at least.
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Dibujante posted:And after we rejected sinicization, too Actually if we can get the government type's benefits without the cultural changeover (both parts speculative, who knows what's going to come out of this, but whatever) then that would be the perfect compromise on that old debate.
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Hopefully, we can get a good constitutional compromise. Also, hopefully I can be prime minister!
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sniper4625 posted:We're not Sincizing, just constitutionizing. As far as I understand, at least. Constitutionizing along Chinese lines!
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Weaboos ruining my glorious Hellenic restoration!
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Dibujante posted:Constitutionizing along Chinese lines! Constitutionalism with Byzantine characteristics.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Weaboos ruining my glorious Hellenic restoration! Can't stop, won't stop. 
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