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The guy who witnessed it on twitter said there were 2 clear shots, then a barrage. Assuming he isn't wrong or lying for whatever reason, I'd guess there was one shot in the car, then Brown runs, the officer exits the car and shoots again, Brown stops and turns, then gets shot multiple times while either trying to surrender/rushing the cop like the Juggernaut. Unless he was literally insane I am going to rule out rushing at a cop who is firing a gun at you based on it being ridiculous.
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zen death robot posted:Which means it's someone who has no loving business talking to the media about an investigation in progress.
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zen death robot posted:Which means it's someone who has no loving business talking to the media about an investigation in progress. its almost like they're trying to drive a narrative that absolves the pd of wrongdoing while casting doubt on the situation to sway public opinion away from the protestors 
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Aug 20, 2014 20:44
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So the Grand Jury thing was this morning at 9AM? Did I miss something or has anything come of that yet?
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Aug 20, 2014 20:45
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gregday posted:So the Grand Jury thing was this morning at 9AM? Did I miss something or has anything come of that yet? IIRC they want to stall until October.
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Aug 20, 2014 20:47
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gregday posted:So the Grand Jury thing was this morning at 9AM? Did I miss something or has anything come of that yet? It doesn't matter. They've smeared the victim. They're doing the same with witnesses now. Absolutely nothing is going to come of this.
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gregday posted:So the Grand Jury thing was this morning at 9AM? Did I miss something or has anything come of that yet? Nothing other than the timeline given by the wanabe cop prosecutor pretty much points to him drawing out the investigation as long as possible so he can acquit the officer once the media frenzy dies down.
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uncurable mlady posted:brave police officers defending us from excuse me, the juggernaut isn't a mutant, he's xavier's step-brother, cain marko, who found the magic ruby of cyttorak in korea and was granted it's power after picking it up and reading an inscription written on it 
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Aug 20, 2014 20:48
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You know why NPR kicks rear end? Because here's their latest Ferguson headlinequote:Rights Of Protesters, Media Misunderstood In Ferguson The opening of the story: quote:In the days since a white police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Mo., people have been on the streets to register their outrage.
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gregday posted:So the Grand Jury thing was this morning at 9AM? Did I miss something or has anything come of that yet? The Grand Jury is a stall tactic, because it's being run by the shithead county DA. He's already saying he might not finish presenting his case until October.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Why would Brown charge when his hands were up? Did he lower his head and wave his arms wildly in the air and scream "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" while charging? Clearly powering up for the finishing move Def Jam: Fight for NY style
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Officer Wilson should be lauded as the hero who saved Missouri from the Chaos Dunk
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Aug 20, 2014 20:51
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Ernie Muppari posted:excuse me, the juggernaut isn't a mutant, he's xavier's step-brother, cain marko, who found the magic ruby of cyttorak in korea and was granted it's power after picking it up and reading an inscription written on it is that actually true, also, nerrrrdddddd
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Aug 20, 2014 20:53
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zen death robot posted:Also the officers report as to what happened to him by now. This probably doesn't exist. There is a police report (which we actually know the number of), but the officer probably invoked rather than compile a report that would lock in details of his story, which would mean someone else wrote it up.
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Aug 20, 2014 20:55
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uncurable mlady posted:is that actually true, also, nerrrrdddddd it is 100% true, also, charles and cain were both in korea during the korean war because it was written in the 60s
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lfield posted:The guy who witnessed it on twitter said there were 2 clear shots, then a barrage. Assuming he isn't wrong or lying for whatever reason, I'd guess there was one shot in the car, then Brown runs, the officer exits the car and shoots again, Brown stops and turns, then gets shot multiple times while either trying to surrender/rushing the cop like the Juggernaut. And even if he beat up the cop and then charged the cop with his hands up, the cop still shot at him while he was running. There is absolutely no way to look at this and make the cop come out looking clean.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:They dont' really change, because the essential problem is that Wilson almost certainly used excessive force. Except now with the additional twist that after the police murder you, they'll go through your life history and find some reason to justify it to racist white people. So the protests remain the same, but with more racist white people tut tutting about it. This post sums up the fanatical, anti-white, anti-police sentiments underpinning some of the support of the 6'4", ~295 pound behemoth who (if it is him on the video) had just robbed a store and who (so the police report) had attacked the officer who shot him. There's such relish exhibited in the denigration of law enforcement and of whites who choose to side with the law enforcement interpretation of the incident. Those who would wax poetic about Brown's presumption of innocence are the same people who want to try an officer for murder in the court of public opinion. I can understand a call for a thorough and independent review of the shooting, and the need to press charges against the officer if the facts justify it. I can understand a call for more non-lethal tools to pacify assailants. But to admit an ignorance of protocol, and to say that you'd believe anything negative, however fanciful, about the officer speaks volumes. This fiasco shows that cooler heads do not always prevail.
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Aug 20, 2014 20:57
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lmao at this dump professor cop on cnn right now e: cnn lady is looking at him like wtf
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zen death robot posted:It's been mentioned before but these "anonymous" leaks are either coming from STL County PD office or Bob McCulloch's office. That's why the news organizations are running with them. My only question is whether its Kinder or McCulloch using their proxies. Either way, POTUS is pissed enough that he sent in Holder, a man with a reputation for giving the bosses enough rope to hang themselves and, over 2-3 years, listening to all their conversations until they say enough to go down before the next election. Everyone seems to be focused on '14, when everyone with power knows this case is all about '16.
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Aug 20, 2014 20:57
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LLCoolJD posted:This post sums up the fanatical, anti-white, anti-police sentiments underpinning the support of the 6'4", ~295 pound behemoth who (if it is him on the video) had just robbed a store and who (so the police report) had attacked the officer who shot him. There's such relish exhibited in the denigration of law enforcement and of whites who choose to side with the law enforcement interpretation of the incident. Those who would wax poetic about Brown's presumption of innocence are the same people who want to try an officer for murder in the court of public opinion. please source your stormfront c&ps thanks
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My Imaginary GF posted:Everyone seems to be focused on '14, when everyone with power knows this case is all about '16. Only because democrats don't seem to know that there are elections between presidential years.
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thefncrow posted:Not just head down. If I'm remembering the autopsy findings correctly, the top of the head shot went into his shoulder and arm. If he just lowered his head and charged, the trajectory would be head to shoulder and out the back. The police have just released a screen shot from the video of the shooting from Officer Wilson's body cam: http://i.imgur.com/4Asc6wk.jpg
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Aug 20, 2014 21:01
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LLCoolJD posted:This post sums up the fanatical, anti-white, anti-police sentiments underpinning some of the support of the 6'4", ~295 pound behemoth who (if it is him on the video) had just robbed a store and who (so the police report) had attacked the officer who shot him. There's such relish exhibited in the denigration of law enforcement and of whites who choose to side with the law enforcement interpretation of the incident. Those who would wax poetic about Brown's presumption of innocence are the same people who want to try an officer for murder in the court of public opinion. Yeah man, that behemoth got capped like he deserved, loving animals am i right, we're the ignorant ones for not supporting are heroes the police who serve and protect us from those goddamn nig--oh hang on, my pizza rolls are burning.
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Iirc, Wilson plead the 5th rather than filing a report. Is this common in instances of an officer shooting a civilian? Also, I've seen remarks that the store clerk never bothered filing a report for the theft. How did the police know about it? Did he call them but not press charges?
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Aug 20, 2014 21:02
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hobbesmaster posted:Only because democrats don't seem to know that there are elections between presidential years. oh they know you silly they just also know that any serious threat to the status quo endangers their paychecks
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Aug 20, 2014 21:02
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My Imaginary GF posted:My only question is whether its Kinder or McCulloch using their proxies. Either way, POTUS is pissed enough that he sent in Holder, a man with a reputation for giving the bosses enough rope to hang themselves and, over 2-3 years, listening to all their conversations until they say enough to go down before the next election. Everyone seems to be focused on '14, when everyone with power knows this case is all about '16. Yeah, but in February Holder announced he would be retiring this year. So I'm not certain the long game comes into play.
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Goon posted:Also, I've seen remarks that the store clerk never bothered filing a report for the theft. How did the police know about it? Did he call them but not press charges? Another person in the store called the police while Brown was stealing the cigarillos or w/e
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Stultus Maximus posted:And even if he beat up the cop and then charged the cop with his hands up, the cop still shot at him while he was running. There is absolutely no way to look at this and make the cop come out looking clean. Bullshit. "He had already savagely beaten me breaking bones in my face. Now he was charging me while I had my weapon drawn. I had good reason to fear for my life." Wouldn't even make it to trial.
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When the Police murdered a Brazilian electrician on the London Underground the news reported he had jumped a turnstyle and run from the police causing them to suspect he was a terrorist so they had to shoot him. These reports were based on info from police sources. Eye witnesses reported the electrician was quietly sitting on a train when the police burst into the carriage, held him down and shot him point blank in the head. The news did report this until long after his death and much less prominently. When Ian Tomlinson died at the G20 protest the media reported he had been attacked and injured by protesters. When The Guardian got hold of a camera phone video of a riot officer shoving him to the ground and then being helped by protesters the media reported he was a drunk protester causing trouble. After several days and many eyewitness accounts the majority of the media acknowledged he was a newspaper seller who was wholly uninvolved with the protests and was instead on his way home from work. When the Police murdered Mark Duggan, an event which lead to the London riots, the news reported he shot at the police and they were forced to shoot back. After a day of reporting this it emerged no gun was found in the car and while a bullet was lodged in an officer's radio it was fired by one of the police's MP5s. It was consistently reported he was a drug dealer although he had no convictions and there was no evidence to support this assertion. Finally a cropped picture was used to show what a thug Mr Duggan was. The full picture showed him to be holding a memorial for his deceased daughter. Until the media present a scrap of proof their anonymous sources mean less than nothing.
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I'm looking at the autopsy report on the NYT, and I love how they have the arms laid out. I know it is a standard thing, but people don't hold their arms like that. They don't stand like that, they don't walk like that. Sure, he was shot in the front of the arm, but that would be the part of the arm that was facing Wilson while he was walking or running away. I don't think you can look at the wounds on his arm and say he wasn't shot from behind, before he turned around as the witnesses have described. 
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Goon posted:Iirc, Wilson plead the 5th rather than filing a report. Is this common in instances of an officer shooting a civilian? Yes. A customer called them.
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hobbesmaster posted:Only because democrats don't seem to know that there are elections between presidential years. Yeah, the only thing that matters is who controls the Senate this fall. The larger issue is one of pipelines and Asian free trade, which Reid is single-handedly holding up. Obama could live with a split Senate, Joe won't vote to impeach him. Well, he trusts Joe to not vote to impeach him if that were the case.
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Goon posted:Iirc, Wilson plead the 5th rather than filing a report. Is this common in instances of an officer shooting a civilian? He invoked a court case (whose name I don't recall, something with a G) not the 5th, and I believe it is standard for stuff like this or if they crash a cop car or the like. And it was called in by another customer.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Actually, they offer no motive. Brown just attacks, stops attacking, and re-attacks apparently unprovoked. No motive, but the toxicology results just so happened to show marijuana in his system. Draw your own conclusions. 
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every time i see that autopsy report all i can think is "god that cop was a terrible loving shot, you aim at the center of mass you idiot"
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thefncrow posted:This probably doesn't exist. There is a police report (which we actually know the number of), but the officer probably invoked rather than compile a report that would lock in details of his story, which would mean someone else wrote it up. Yeah, this is what happened. I don't remember where I read it but I read it 4-5 days ago. e;fb: Fried Chicken posted:He invoked a court case (whose name I don't recall, something with a G) not the 5th, and I believe it is standard for stuff like this or if they crash a cop car or the like. Better explanation.
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fknlo posted:Bullshit. That's ignoring the initial shot at his back. Not that I disagree that it wouldn't make it to trial.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No motive, but the toxicology results just so happened to show marijuana in his system. Draw your own conclusions. Marijuana legalization is on the New Mexico ballot so I'm really excited. ...oh wait, you mean about the police murder? Yeah, weed doesn't make you violent, despite what those weird news stories out of Colorado about a man going insane and murdering his wife may try to suggest.
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LLCoolJD posted:This post sums up the fanatical, anti-white, anti-police sentiments underpinning some of the support of the 6'4", ~295 pound behemoth who (if it is him on the video) had just robbed a store and who (so the police report) had attacked the officer who shot him. There's such relish exhibited in the denigration of law enforcement and of whites who choose to side with the law enforcement interpretation of the incident. Those who would wax poetic about Brown's presumption of innocence are the same people who want to try an officer for murder in the court of public opinion. The behemoth stole ~$50 worth of cigars and pushed the clerk. Any punishment for that crime would have been relatively light. Why on earth would he assault a police officer and charge him when the officer had already shot at him and stood there, with his gun drawn? That makes just as much sense as the officer gunning him down in cold blood for no reason.
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thefncrow posted:The Grand Jury is a stall tactic, because it's being run by the shithead county DA. He's already saying he might not finish presenting his case until October. St Louis County grand juries only meet once a week, so this isn't quite as ridiculous as it sounds - it's not like a trial where you're meeting four or five days a week. (That's not atypical - since grand jury panels serve for extended periods of time and handle multiple cases over multiple months, they can't meet every day or you'd literally bankrupt almost everyone who gets picked to serve.)
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