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I don't think that's the problem. The game tells you what to do. The problem is you're looking at an extremely low chance drop. I'm simply not even trying to do it again until there is some sort of guarantee of drop after a point. There are other routes to high tier weapons that are much less time consuming.
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It's about the stdev of repeated attempts giving you what you want. Atma's extremely low fixed chance means a single standard deviation will be huge, so tons of players are on the lovely end of the bell curve. All it would take is the much-requested "increase the drop rate for that zone when you fail to get a drop" to lower the stdev and slim down that bell curve. If loot rolls in Coil are just "pick two items at random from the loot table", which I think it is, you have a 12.5% chance of getting the item you want each week, with oil and sands drops as a failsafe. Atma has no failsafe.
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Aug 20, 2014 17:36
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Hay guys did they fix the atma grind in this patch?? Atma atma atma, somebody tweet at a squeenix intern about this please.
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Aug 20, 2014 17:48
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It's a 3% drops chance you can roll as often as as there are fates to tap while I only get to roll my 12% chance for my earrings once every week. I'm sure there's example of "but it took my 500 hours for muh atma" but by and large most players can get it done in 20 hours of pure farming. That's not a lot to ask to upgrade your weapon. It's so easy I did it twice and am thinking about doing it a third time. Maybe I'll race the stream.
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Aug 20, 2014 17:54
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Got all of mine in two days of casual play. What up dorks
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Aug 20, 2014 17:54
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Got two atma weapons in the span of 24 hours, now I can't get my 4th atma for my thyrus to save my life. Atma atma atma atma atma atma atma atma
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Aug 20, 2014 18:06
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't think that's the problem. The game tells you what to do. Yeah, if you're doing stuff like going to the wrong zone or not having a Zenith equipped, that's kind of your fault. I spent 20 mins in the wrong zone last weekend, felt dumb, moved on. The biggest problem (to me at least) is that you get nothing of any use for all your efforts. You get the ilvl100 but no stat boost to show for it. Let's say the average time to collect the 12 atma is 20 hours of actual farming. That's 20 hours to get the chance to spend at least another 30-40 hours on animus books in order to get an actual ilvl 100 weapon. Just seems kind of silly. But, I'm a sucker for the idea of the relic weapons so I'm doing it, about 60% through my first book now.
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Aug 20, 2014 18:06
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Belzac posted:It's a 3% drops chance you can roll as often as as there are fates to tap Because averaging 400 FATEs per 12 Atma is fun, right? And it's even more fun when you end up on the tail end of the RNG curve... right? 
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Aug 20, 2014 18:20
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I wasn't complaining folks I just grind for it while doing my weekly challenge log for choco-buddy and FATEs. I kinda wish there was more of an 'objective' than prayer (maybe a drop % at the currently active FATE, kinda like gathering) but it's not horrible.
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Aug 20, 2014 18:25
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Atmas were added in 2.2 and haven't changed and its now 2.35. Nothing is going to change, find something else to complain about people.
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Aug 20, 2014 18:26
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ps am no frog posted:Atmas were added in 2.2 and haven't changed and its now 2.35. Nothing is going to change, find something else to complain about people. I could have sworn they said they were going to change it when 2.4 hits but maybe i misheard something.
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Aug 20, 2014 18:29
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Ouhei posted:The same armor looks just as dumb/revealing on male characters. For the most part, SE has done a decent job of giving both sexes dumb skimpy armor options. Scylla Robe of Healing. 
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Aug 20, 2014 18:43
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Shroud soil has predictably skyrocketed on my server thanks to chocobo fruits. 
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Aug 20, 2014 18:59
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SpazmasterX posted:Shroud soil has predictably skyrocketed on my server thanks to chocobo fruits. Do we even know if you can get more than one fruit per seed?
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Aug 20, 2014 19:06
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They're growing as fast as a Krakka Root, so I'm predicting we get multiple fruits from each seed. The first harvest should be later tonight.
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Ouhei posted:Yeah, if you're doing stuff like going to the wrong zone or not having a Zenith equipped, that's kind of your fault. I spent 20 mins in the wrong zone last weekend, felt dumb, moved on. If they spent any amount of time refining the idea, there would be at minimum a trackable quest that flagged whether or not you met the proper conditions. Instead its an unapologetic time sink that has an absurd number of people defending it and the rest of them don't want to hear about it anymore. I did it, I'm done. But I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to complain about it in the thread for the goddamned game. It sucks. nem-x posted:They're growing as fast as a Krakka Root, so I'm predicting we get multiple fruits from each seed. The first harvest should be later tonight. Yeah the only things that yield one are starred plants. I fully expect these to yield the 18 or whatever from shroud soil Solanumai fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Aug 20, 2014 19:24
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There's something far more important than atmas, and that's good looking pants.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:29
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Smart Car posted:There's something far more important than atmas, and that's good looking pants. Those are amazing pants, what are they?
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Aug 20, 2014 19:32
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Belzac posted:most players can get it done in 20 hours of pure farming. That's not a lot to ask to upgrade your weapon. Yes it is. 20 hours is a long time. 20 hours is almost an entire day of your life spent doing the same monotonous task and getting no actual reward other than a bump to your item level. No stats, no significant visual difference. It's like work, except you pay THEM for the privilege of doing it. It is a bad gameplay mechanic. This is a fact, not an opinion.
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Emalde posted:Scylla Robe of Healing. I did say for the most part. Shere posted:If they spent any amount of time refining the idea, there would be at minimum a trackable quest that flagged whether or not you met the proper conditions. Instead its an unapologetic time sink that has an absurd number of people defending it and the rest of them don't want to hear about it anymore. I'm not saying the system is great by any means, it sucks for sure. But I'm not sure that particular set of problems are really worth fixing. Are they going to warn you every time you do a FATE after you get that quest if you don't have a Zenith equipped? Or if you do a FATE in a zone that doesn't give Atma? What if I have the Atma quests but I'm doing FATES to level a second job or something? That seems like it'd get annoying. It would be nice to add a checklist keyitem that tracks your atma for you though, like the Animus books do. This way they're not taking up any room in your inventory and you have a better way to track which ones you've done and where you still need to go. Edit: If it were me, I'd either drastically increase the Atma drop rate or change the quest to do X number of FATES in each zone (10-15 or something). Then make Animus books more potent, 1 book for each stat (maybe 2 for the main stat if that makes it too short). Keeps the spirit of the questline but makes the ramp up easier to get to the Novus stage and beyond. Ouhei fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Samba De Amigo posted:Those are amazing pants, what are they?
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DarkHamsterlord posted:Yes it is. 20 hours is a long time. 20 hours is almost an entire day of your life spent doing the same monotonous task and getting no actual reward other than a bump to your item level. No stats, no significant visual difference. I'm not exactly a big fan of atmas but holy poo poo you're playing an MMO 20 hours is not a significant time investment for a weapon you can continuously upgrade
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DarkHamsterlord posted:Yes it is. 20 hours is a long time. 20 hours is almost an entire day of your life spent doing the same monotonous task and getting no actual reward other than a bump to your item level. No stats, no significant visual difference. I think some people have expended more time yelling at other players about how bad atma is than they would've actually getting atma, at this point
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Aug 20, 2014 19:51
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Is it atma time again? Please get good nerds.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:54
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Atmas are just the tip of an iceberg of terrible, anyhow. Abandon questline.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:55
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Anyone else getting a ton of dyes from Quick Ventures after the patch? I never got them before, but now I'll get three or four in a row.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:58
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Robo Reagan posted:Anyone else getting a ton of dyes from Quick Ventures after the patch? I never got them before, but now I'll get three or four in a row. I've gotten a ton pre-patch. It's all RNG. Don't let it fool you.
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Aug 20, 2014 20:01
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What is this fancy blue chocobo head piece I keep seeing? I want one.
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Line Feed posted:What is this fancy blue chocobo head piece I keep seeing? I want one. Plumed Barding, from the achievement for feeding other peoples' chocobos 30 times.
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Line Feed posted:What is this fancy blue chocobo head piece I keep seeing? I want one. Feed 30 other people's chocobos for the FIESTA hat. You get it from an achievement.
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Doublestep posted:I'm not exactly a big fan of atmas but holy poo poo you're playing an MMO 20 hours is not a significant time investment for a weapon you can continuously upgrade It is an MMO, therefore being fun to play is not a requirement. I mean, atma really isn't as bad as people make it out to be and I don't hate it as much as that post implied, but it's a bad mechanic and I won't budge on that. It's the most transparent case of padding game time without spending any development money I have ever seen, and I loving played Bravely Default to 100% completion. Harettazetta posted:Atmas are just the tip of an iceberg of terrible, anyhow. Yeah, animus was significantly worse than atma (now you get to spend an hour doing LITERALLY NOTHING, three times per book!) Novus has been better so far, but I haven't had to buy any materia yet since I have a stockpile.
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DarkHamsterlord posted:It is an MMO, therefore being fun to play is not a requirement. I'm cringing thinking of Novus since I only have like 3 materia saved, Animus has some bad mechanics (MORE FATES) but at least won't require me to spend millions of Gil I don't have.
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More and more it's becoming obvious that relics exist as a status symbol and not what everyone should focus on.
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Belzac posted:More and more it's becoming obvious that relics exist as a status symbol and not what everyone should focus on. My novus exist because it bugged me that the scrolls were sitting in my inventory. Bad financial decisions.
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I keep saying I'm gonna do the Novus for ninja but then I do a dozen fates and decide that maybe I'm a dumbass?
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Hopefully they introduce the ability to sell Atma, because to be quite honest comparing that/Animus/Novus against the UAT/Sands upgrade path, I'd rather sell the 9+2 duplicates I have now, and just hunt every now and then. My retainer is holding on to them in the mean time in case I ever change my mind, but I probably won't.
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dangersandwich posted:Because averaging 400 FATEs per 12 Atma is fun, right? And it's even more fun when you end up on the tail end of the RNG curve... right?  Why aren't you farming turn 9?!
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Kyrosiris posted:Plumed Barding, from the achievement for feeding other peoples' chocobos 30 times. Samba De Amigo posted:Feed 30 other people's chocobos for the FIESTA hat. You get it from an achievement. Cool, thank you! I'm totally going to get in on that.
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Welp, my PC died. I need a laptop for work anyway and found this bad boy for a pretty penny. Think I'll be able to run FFXIV on low? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834257833&cm_re=refurbished_asus-_-34-257-833-_-Product
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