Auspol August: Half-baked enraged drivel

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Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Mattjpwns posted:

Ugh. This gives me the chills. Constant referrals to the police not finding anything wrong instead of an outright "Hi, this was bullshit, this was what was alleged, I did not do this. Ever.".

"I will not go into the details, except to say that the allegation was untrue and abhorrent. The allegation was made by someone that I knew briefly at that time. There is absolutely no basis to the claim."

It's pretty obfuscating language but the message is clear I thought?

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Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

Can't wait for the Telegraph's front page tomorrow :v:

# ? Aug 21, 2014 08:45

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

Les Affaires posted:

"I will not go into the details, except to say that the allegation was untrue and abhorrent. The allegation was made by someone that I knew briefly at that time. There is absolutely no basis to the claim."

It's pretty obfuscating language but the message is clear I thought?

It could very well be Bill being his usual uncharismatic and awkward self reading dry prepared statements. I dunno. "the decision speaks for itself" was the bit where I raised an eyebrow and felt ick. I really have nothing to go off here, aside from the lack of detail and constant referral to the police investigation as the "be all and end all" of this made me feel uncomfortable. That's all.

:mills-shrug.gif:

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Aug 21, 2014

# ? Aug 21, 2014 08:48

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

Brown Paper Bag posted:

Can't wait for the Telegraph's front page tomorrow

Bill Shorten - RAPIST?

Don't worry, we added a question mark so it isn't defamation.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 08:55

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

At the moment the murdoch press are mostly just publishing the fact that he made the statement. They will spend this afternoon and overnight determining how best to spin this without the risk of Shorten taking defamation action. Today's statement by him is quite likely him trying to threaten action against such a thing.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 08:58

Nostalgic Pushead: Jul 31, 2013; .

Sparticle posted:

Bill Shorten - RAPIST?

Don't worry, we added a question mark so it isn't defamation.

Headline on their website is "I Was Cleared Of Rape, Says Shorten"

So yeah basically.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:00

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Bill Shorten's approval sky rockets with the MRA crowd

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:03

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Apparently the same thing happened to Abbott way back when? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:06

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

I guess the LNP will be happy that no one will be focusing on their gently caress ups for a few days with this story

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:07

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bill Shorten raped, murdered a young girl in 1990

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:08

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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God drat. The entire political class are scum bags.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:28

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/private-health-insurers-set-to-manage-patients-gp-care/story-fni0xqrc-1227031109206

quote:

Private health insurers set to manage patients� GP care

EXCLUSIVE: Private health insurers are set to be handed control of every Australian�s general practitioner treatment under a US-style healthcare revolution.

Every visit to a general practitioner will be coordinated by private health insurers who want to manage how your doctor treats you if they win the tender to run a new primary care network.

The health care revolution follows the Abbott Government�s controversial decision to give private insurers the right to tender to run its new Primary Health Networks that will replace Medicare Locals.

AXED: Abbott to scrap $1.8 billion Medicare Local scheme

CRITICISED: 61 Medicare Locals to be smaller Primary Health Networks

These new bodies will effectively co-ordinate the care every patient (not just health fund members) receives from their GP, provide links with hospitals and assess and improve patient health outcomes.

Health Minister Peter Dutton has publicly made a case for greater involvement of private Insurers in GP care without outlining how this would occur.

His spokesman has told News Corp Australia the first step will be allowing health funds to, along with other interested providers, get the opportunity to tender to run PHN�s.

�They will be able to put in a tender,� he said.

One of Australia�s leading health funds, BUPA has already expressed an interest.

�We are keen to play a role in better integrating care and care outcomes and are looking for opportunities in that space,� a spokeswoman for BUPA said.

Doctors are concerned it could lead to the introduction of managed care, where the funds tell doctors how to treat their patients.

Private Healthcare Australia chief Dr Michael Armitage has fuelled these fears claiming GPs could be contracted to follow clinical guidelines when treating their patients to improve care outcomes if health funds run the PHN�s.

�The funds may say we will preferentially contract GPs who only refer patients to surgeons who don�t use joint replacements that fail,� he said.

He cited US health fund Kaiser Permanente�s PHASE program that directed patient care as an example of what PHN�s run by insurers could do to improve patient outcomes.

This managed care program had led to a 30 per cent reduction in coronary artery hospitalisations, a 56 per cent reduction in heart attacks, a 20 per cent reduction in strokes and a 30 per cent reduction from heart disease,� he said.

�It�s where we�ve been wanting to go as a sector for a long time, its unlocking the potential of health care,� he told News Corp.

�If private insurers are able to engage in directional contracting, they won�t be providing the care but they will be saying to the providers (doctors) we want you to deliver this outcome,� he said.

Australian Medical Association president Professor Brian Owler said he had �very strong� reservations about allowing private insurers to run PHN�s.

�I�m yet to see how an insurer can provide this service without a conflict of interest,� he said.

He said it was clear Medibank Private wanted to move to a system where they directed patients to certain specialists or dentists or other doctors who provided care in a certain way.

�We are very concerned about the independence of the doctor patent relationship,� he said.

In a separate move the government has asked its review of after hours medical care to look for any role private insurers can play there.

Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King said the measure �exposes why Tony Abbott broke his promise that no Medicare Locals would close�.

�Tony Abbott is shutting down Medicare Locals in order to introduce United States style �managed care�, where health funds, not your GP, decide which doctor you see and what standard of care you receive,� she said..

�This is about the destruction of Medicare.�

It comes as a Senate inquiry has grilled Medibank on its foray into GP care in Queensland.

The Greens claim the guarantee Medibank members will get a guaranteed same day appointment, free care and after hours home is the first step towards a two tier health system.

Medibank told the inquiry it did not want to take over the job of paying for GP visits from Medicare or end universal access to health care.

�If Medibank can support GPs to assist its members to remain healthy and out of

hospital, not only do members benefit but it also makes sense to Medibank from a

business perspective,� the fund said.

Medibank is also poised to pilot a program called CarePoint providing doctors with extra resources, including social services, to treat the chronically ill.

The program will be available to both public and private patients.

�Medibank has resolved that at this point in time we will not be directly tendering for the operation of Primary Health Networks. Rather than compete with existing industry capability, Medibank is choosing to work in collaboration with the industry to support and endorse best practice primary care with the respective expertise our entities offer,� said a spokeswoman for the company.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:29

Schneider Inside Her: Aug 6, 2009; Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

CUT OUT THE loving MIDDLEMEN! FFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCK

How can anyone think this is a good idea? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE. Hopefully it's as toothless as all the other pushes by the Libs (RIP carbon tax)

Edit: Seriously, how can you think that inserting Health insurers into the deployment of health care is not a clear conflict of interest? What kind of moron looks at the US health system and thinks that that is an efficient value for money health system? Man, that really enraged me.

Schneider Inside Her fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Aug 21, 2014

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:38

Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

Tony Abbott logic:

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:42

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Brown Paper Bag posted:

Tony Abbott logic:

Chuck Asay was amazing but not for the reasons he probably thinks.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:43

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

Brown Paper Bag posted:

Tony Abbott logic:

tbh, I'd go with the insurance agent over Bishop.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:45

Schneider Inside Her: Aug 6, 2009; Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

I choose C: A doctor

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:46

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

Unless the LNP government has drafted changes to move to voluntary voting and holding all elections during business hours this cannot possibly end well for them. It just seems like recent announcements, and especially backing down on GP payment exemptions for pensioners and children, will wipe them off the board with all but the most rusted on good-old-boys LNP voters.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:47

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

loving hell another policy announced by way of a leak to the Daily Telegraph

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:49

Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

Kat Delacour posted:

Unless the LNP government has drafted changes to move to voluntary voting and holding all elections during business hours this cannot possibly end well for them. It just seems like recent announcements, and especially backing down on GP payment exemptions for pensioners and children, will wipe them off the board with all but the most rusted on good-old-boys LNP voters.

I would be shocked if they hadn't considered both of those changes to voting.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:53

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Some high-up Liberals (Minchin for one) have talked about voluntary voting. It's not a secret, it's just not something they think they could get away with.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 09:55

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Neat visualisation from the ABC summarising the characters and interactions in the previous seasons of ICAC.

So basically, this was bi-partisan corruption.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:19

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Mr @billshortenmp running a town hall in Bendigo, which is also the location of a huge proposed Mosque. Coincidence? #rapegate #auspol

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:28

Ler: Mar 23, 2005; I believe...

Protestors have breached the #AbbottFence at Adelaide Uni.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:31

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Please murder anyone who uses the term "rapegate"

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:31

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Amethyst posted:

Please murder anyone who uses the term "rapegate"

https://twitter.com/GotAnyPies/status/502333135392997376

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:38

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

What the gently caress is punch a wall gate, someone mentioned it when I looked at the hashgate citing evidence of media bias but when I checked the hashtag for that literally the only tweet was the one I'd just seen.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:40

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Captain Pissweak posted:

What the gently caress is punch a wall gate, someone mentioned it when I looked at the hashgate citing evidence of media bias but when I checked the hashtag for that literally the only tweet was the one I'd just seen.

I'm assuming it refers to Abbott punching a wall when he was at uni?

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:43

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

I'm pretty tired of the "-gate" suffix when it comes to scandal names. Apart from the Dodgygate Scandal from SA state politics a few years ago, that's a legit good scandal name.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:44

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I'm hoping -ghazi replaces it.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:46

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# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:47

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I'm assuming it refers to Abbott punching a wall when he was at uni?

"What a scoop!" - literally no one

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:51

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Captain Pissweak posted:

"What a scoop!" - literally no one

He didn't just punch a wall, he punched the wall inches from some woman's head in order to intimidate her or something. It did get a lot of press at the time, during whichever election it was.

EDIT: it happened during his student days but it got re-aired during a recent election

PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Aug 21, 2014

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:56

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.

It was when he was in student politics and she was the treasurer of one of the socialist parties, from memory.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:58

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

And people like Michael Kroger and Andrew Bolt keep insulting the woman involved (Barbara Ramjan), and she keeps winning defamation cases.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:58

Centusin: Aug 5, 2009

Tweet from Sky News reporter

quote:

Abbott:This might turn out to be time when Islam, like Christianity before it, finally disassociates religion from use of force @SkyNewsAust

The government really just needs to roll out some sort of spokesperson that handles every topic for Abbott because the poo poo he says is just getting worse.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 10:59

Execu-speak: Jun 2, 2011; Welcome to the real world hippies!

I'm annoyed at the media calling a protest with no arrests as having 'turned violent' because the protestors pushed over a temporary fence.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 11:18

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

He didn't just punch a wall, he punched the wall inches from some woman's head in order to intimidate her or something. It did get a lot of press at the time, during whichever election it was.

Okay now yeah that's really hosed up.

# ? Aug 21, 2014 11:23

Kim Jong ill: Jul 28, 2010; NORTH KOREA IS ONLY KOREA.

Execu-speak posted:

I'm annoyed at the media calling a protest with no arrests as having 'turned violent' because the protestors pushed over a temporary fence.

I'm getting pictures on my news feed of a student who was trampled by police horses. I did note when I was looking at pictures that whoever set up the fence put the little stabilising triangle segments on the wrong side (i.e. to resist people pushing out, not in) and I'm not surprised they managed to tip it over.

Kind of makes me regret not going, but I've been at home sick the last couple of days.

Edit - How convenient, footage just popped up of the horses moving through the lines.

Kim Jong ill fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Aug 21, 2014

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Nuclear Spy: Jun 10, 2008; feeling under?

Execu-speak posted:

I'm annoyed at the media calling a protest with no arrests as having 'turned violent' because the protestors pushed over a temporary fence.

I was there for a bit, it was fun booing at the old white men walking through temporary fence to get into the building. A Young Liberal in a suit and blue tie went in that got a lot of heat, a lot of 'Tory Scum!' chants too.

Protesters breach police lines at Tony Abbott oration at Adelaide University

quote:

A police cordon has been breached by some protesters outside a lecture theatre at the University of Adelaide while Prime Minister Tony Abbott was speaking inside.

A big crowd had gathered to express anger about issues including planned changes to university fees, policy on asylum seekers and marriage equality.

After several hours of peaceful protest and chanting, several of the protesters suddenly broke through the police lines and got as far as an alcove of the building.

Another scaled a nearby shipping container.

Police, some on horseback, managed to push the group back beyond a temporary fence which had been erected around the Bragg building.

There was more chaos outside the lecture theatre as members of the audience tried to push through the protesters to leave after the Prime Minister gave the Sir John Downer Oration.

Someone uploaded these photos of a student who was trampled by a police horse

EDIT: I think it would save the budget if we didn't have a government that requires a whole riot squad to protect them wherever they go.

Nuclear Spy fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Aug 21, 2014

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