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CommonShore posted:I still prefer the "Wheel of Goon" name. It could have fatbee all over it, and bad sound effects. Like this, but with fatbee: http://www.somethingawful.com/hosted/firemancomics/mygoodness.htm
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Kalenn Istarion posted:There's an open jabber channel called codeswarm or something like that for this very thing. That's the information I needed!
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causticBeet posted:If goon bets doesn't end up being a huge long term scam where some nerd walks away with trillions I will be very disappointed Maybe it turns out to be an enormous success. Goons turn legit. All the Joe Pesci Goons get taken out into the cornfield to be assassinated while the strait-laced Robert De Niro goons continue with serious business.
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Zephyrine posted:Maybe it turns out to be an enormous success. Goons turn legit. All the Joe Pesci Goons get taken out into the cornfield to be assassinated while the strait-laced Robert De Niro goons continue with serious business. You know Robert de Niro would have the Joe Pesci goons fitted for concrete shoes, not shot, right?
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Aug 21, 2014 06:34
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orange juche posted:You know Robert de Niro would have the Joe Pesci goons fitted for concrete shoes, not shot, right? The clear definition between Pesci Goons and De Niro Goons I think Warr Akini is a Pesci Goon.
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Aug 21, 2014 06:45
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I guess ISBox is fine or whatever, but I'm sick of losing all my ships to Oodell.
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I think ISBoxer is fine but I wish that eve wasn't structured in a way that gave such clear advantages to people who use multiple accounts.
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Aug 21, 2014 07:26
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CHUCK WAS TAKEN posted:I guess ISBox is fine or whatever, but I'm sick of losing all my ships to Oodell. Don't you guys have like 4 isbox squads on your side?
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CHUCK WAS TAKEN posted:I guess ISBox is fine or whatever, but I'm sick of losing all my ships to Oodell.
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CHUCK WAS TAKEN posted:I guess ISBox is fine or whatever, but I'm sick of losing all my ships to Oodell. Huh, that's certainly weird coming from someone that's getting all their losses to Oodell reimbursed by CCP. CHUCK WAS TAKEN posted:No, we're actually getting reimbursed for almost every ship that oodell kills.
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Aug 21, 2014 09:20
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On top of that, someone in an alliance with a 40 man multiboxer gang.
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CommonShore posted:I still prefer the "Wheel of Goon" name. It could have fatbee all over it, and bad sound effects. Grrgons Betting would be more appropriate.
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vulvamancer posted:On top of that, someone in an alliance with a 40 man multiboxer gang.
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Unfunny Poster posted:How is Somer, an EVE fan site, talking to CCP about Somer attempting to run a promotion with the incentive to buy GTC through their referral link "non-EVE mail"? Sharing correspondance with CCP without permission is against the rules. It's why you're not allowed to share the email with CCP's GM team from your Gmail account with anyone. He did just that trying to deflect. Along with other ~reasons~ CCP opted to say "you've been slapped on the wrist one too many times. The belt is coming off now." The issue is that in this case it could be argued that it was a business communication not a game communication. In many ways that points to the core of the problem with Somer Blinks' operations though.
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If you're trying to claim that TMC is an RMT operation, then your picture is missing an arrow that reads "$$$" and goes from the writers to the advertisers or TMC. Also you're ignoring the part where CCP has actually looked at the TMC ISK payments and told them that it's fine as long as ISK is only paid for articles relevant to EVE.
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Bonfire Lit posted:If you're trying to claim that TMC is an RMT operation, then your picture is missing an arrow that reads "$$$" and goes from the writers to the advertisers or TMC. Bad habit from the bitcoin threads of not sourcing my quotes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4936214#post4936214 quote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?
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Bonfire Lit posted:If you're trying to claim that TMC is an RMT operation, then your picture is missing an arrow that reads "$$$" and goes from the writers to the advertisers or TMC. In fairness, it is indirect RMT. There is no issue as CCP has approved it, presumably because they're delighted to have regular media attention on EVE. There's also no availability problem or in game market distortion which results. If another dozen media sites sprung up paying contributors in isk for EVE articles, there would be no problem. If everyone starts writing articles for The Mittani, there's no problem. Somer, of course, also got CCP to sign off on his business twice, but only because he knew what to leave out of his disclosure to them. The Apex of Somergate (Mk I.)was when players started advertising RMT on EVEOnline by following Somer's formula precisely. It also helps that The Mittani is a news website, as opposed to a site designed to milk people of their (real) money via gambling (for fake items).
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If Somer hadn't been a greedy gently caress and had just dropped banner ads on every blink there wouldn't have been a problem.
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darth cookie posted:If Somer hadn't been a greedy gently caress and had just dropped banner ads on every blink there wouldn't have been a problem. Yup. I wonder what kind of referral rate increase he saw for the brief time he was running the program. He was getting referral money from Markee Dragon before anyway. As far as TMC goes I see it more likely that he might get into trouble due to labour regulations in certain places than CCP thinking it is an RMT operation.
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Maneck posted:In fairness, it is indirect RMT. There is no issue as CCP has approved it, presumably because they're delighted to have regular media attention on EVE. There's also no availability problem or in game market distortion which results. If another dozen media sites sprung up paying contributors in isk for EVE articles, there would be no problem. If everyone starts writing articles for The Mittani, there's no problem. CCP has also generally looked the other way for years when it comes to "isk for real life service". Killboards, artwork, jabber and TS servers, etc.
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Munin posted:As far as TMC goes I see it more likely that he might get into trouble due to labour regulations in certain places than CCP thinking it is an RMT operation. Or... taxes! It could be argued that being paid in ISK should be taxable in RL money. Payment in species is taxed in some countries.
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TMC.com doesn't receive ISK for services thus it is not RMT when it churns paying writers for articles. How are you people this retarded? You can ALREADY convert IRL cash to ISK in game via the PLEX/GTC system legally.
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vyst posted:TMC.com doesn't receive ISK for services thus it is not RMT when it churns paying writers for articles. How are you people this retarded? You can ALREADY convert IRL cash to ISK in game via the PLEX/GTC system legally. Err, the argument is that they get cash and their expenses are in ISK thus turning ISK into cash. It is bullshit to call TMC an RMT operation but it is not a process which turns cash into ISK. No-one is being given cash by TMC with TMC getting ISK in return. [edit] Also, why do you think receiving ISK for services is the issue? That's turning IRL cash (your running expense to provide the service out of game) into ISK in game (as a PLEX would do). That's the opposite of giving away ISK in game in exchange from receiving cash out of game which is what RMT is. Munin fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Munin posted:Err, the argument is that they get cash and their expenses are in ISK thus turning ISK into cash. Where do TMC and EN24 get their isk to pay out their employees anyway?
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Munin posted:Err, the argument is that they get cash and their expenses are in ISK thus turning ISK into cash. This side track is so silly that it's not even funny. Somber was paying a fixed amount of isk to players in order to receive a fixed amount of dollars from Markee Dragon. TMC pays writers isk for articles unrelated to ad revenue. Ad revenue can go up and down regardless of the number of articles of the amount of work that the writers put into it. Now if TMC instead paid the writers in isk based on the ad revenue generated by the total of their articles. And this all could be concretely proven then maybe it could count as RMT.
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Booley posted:It doesn't even have to be a scam for some nerd to walk away with trillions, that's the best part. Casinos/Lotteries are basically scams where you explain the entire grift up front and the sucker still hands you their money. You walk away with their money every day and they just keep coming back.
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Fine, you cunts. Everything is RMT. Free somer hurf hurf hurf
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xilni posted:Where do TMC and EN24 get their isk to pay out their employees anyway? It's a circle. Ad money provides revenue. Revenue buys plex. Plex buys isk. CCP is thrilled about this because A: They get free attention and B: They get money. This isn't RMT in any way shape or form, if anything it's the opposite.
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's a circle. Ad money provides revenue. Revenue buys plex. Plex buys isk. CCP is thrilled about this because A: They get free attention and B: They get money. This isn't RMT in any way shape or form, if anything it's the opposite. I highly doubt that TMC is doing that. I don't know how much they are paying their contributors per submission but The Mittani probably has enough personal wealth from the different investement schemes he was involved in to pay the isk out of his own pocket forever.
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TMC: A site that rewards sperglord writers as they shitpost with a theme. I'm not sure how 'up in arms' I'm ready to get about that. Find something new to be mad about, ladies.
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Munin posted:Err, the argument is that they get cash and their expenses are in ISK thus turning ISK into cash. RMT fundamentally is taking ISK or digital assets you have and turning it into IRL dollars by selling said ISK or digital assets. TMC.com does not do this. Thus TMC.com is not an "RMT operation". The end. There's literally no other way to look at it.
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Zephyrine posted:
Yup, that's why it is silly calling it RMT. The second thing wouldn't be close to RMT either in my opinion. Rhymenoserous posted:It's a circle. Ad money provides revenue. Revenue buys plex. Plex buys isk. CCP is thrilled about this because A: They get free attention and B: They get money. This isn't RMT in any way shape or form, if anything it's the opposite. Btw, is what you say here correct and the ISK for the writers is paid for by buying PLEX from CCP and selling those for ISK? That would render a lot of things moot if the TMC operations are kept self contained in that way since it renders, from the TMC perspective, the ISK expense back into an IRL cash one. Also, TMC have some very good reasons why they would prefer to pay contributors this way since it obviates the need for international cash transfers to individual bank accounts etc. Frankly, I always thought that the ISK for writer contribution was sourced from Mittani & Co.'s extensive in game wallets. If contributors are indeed funded that way then it can be argued that it does turn ISK into cash for people running the site (in a roundabout way with no fixed rate of exchange etc).
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Would a Nestor be a viable travel companion to an incursion fleet? Swap to travel fit in an instant, bring baltec fits along with you. Might be a pretty good pal to have around. Is it at all competitive compared to a scimi for shield transfers?
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Would a Nestor be a viable travel companion to an incursion fleet? Swap to travel fit in an instant, bring baltec fits along with you. Might be a pretty good pal to have around. Is it at all competitive compared to a scimi for shield transfers? It costs more than Seven times as much and provides less repair power. People have been looking for a use for the Nestor ever since it was introduced but they have yet to find one. Sure it can do some very interesting things but not compared to the cost.
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Munin posted:Yup, that's why it is silly calling it RMT. The second thing wouldn't be close to RMT either in my opinion. But the key thing is CCP said gently caress it you can pay isk for services like articles, killboards, or voice com servers.
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darth cookie posted:If Somer hadn't been a greedy gently caress and had just dropped banner ads on every blink there wouldn't have been a problem. • Use referral credits to “outbid” other player for tickets. • Have information delays (lotteries don't show up, ticket count isn't entirely current) and use referral credits to get “premium real-time access”. • Use referral credit to buy notification services on raffles you're particularly interested in. …just off the top of my head. Some clever brainstorming could probably produce better ideas of value-added site services to sell in exchange for using the PLEX/ETC links. I'm guessing that he went for referrals rather than ad bucks because it pays better. At the end of the day, the only problem with that was the incentive structure for getting the kickbacks. vyst posted:RMT fundamentally is taking ISK or digital assets you have and turning it into IRL dollars by selling said ISK or digital assets. TMC.com does not do this. Thus TMC.com is not an "RMT operation".
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Fallorn posted:But the key thing is CCP said gently caress it you can pay isk for services like articles, killboards, or voice com servers. As an aside the situation with killboards, voice comms etc is the opposite of the one you might construct with TMC. In those cases the individual users of those services could be considered to be engaging in RMT whilst the operators are not. Users are turning in game cash into out of game services and assets whilst the operators are expending out of game assets for in game cash. Also, I say again I think that calling TMC an RMT operation is daft. That said I also don't see why paying for non-EVE articles with ISK could be seen as beyond the pale so *shrug*. Could someone link to/explain the reasoning behind that btw?
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Munin posted:Could someone link to/explain the reasoning behind that btw? Pretty sure it's mostly pubbie grr.
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Fallorn posted:But the key thing is CCP said gently caress it you can pay isk for services like articles, killboards, or voice com servers. What's more, those services along with character selling are the only thing you aren't allowed to scam with. If you say "send me 2B and I'll set you up with TS servers for a year" and then you don't give someone TS access for a year CCP will take that isk back.
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