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Evil_Greven posted:And another one bites the dust I am not sure what possess people to do this poo poo but then I think about what people think free speech means and I laugh.
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Agrajag posted:It is so ridiculous that the simple act of lowering arms can be construed as a justification of the use of deadly force on an unarmed man. Seriously that poo poo ain't right. The pre-requisites for the use of deadly force should be so much more stringent than the belief of bodily harm. Whatever happened to right to life? Think about what else Wilson apparently saying that Brown lowered his arms means... remember the autopsy report? Wilson's alleged account supports Brown having his arms raised, but Brown lowering his arms caused Wilson to shoot him... so how did he get those bullet wounds to the inside of his arms?
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Aug 23, 2014 03:55
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Popular Thug Drink posted:This is exactly what a teenaged 4channer says to himself to justify why he's fantasizing about pissing people off after arguing with his dad. Something about it works because you're still posting Shameful
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Aug 23, 2014 04:01
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Aug 23, 2014 04:04
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CharlestheHammer posted:Nah, the closest is the poverty breeds an environment where criminals flourish, but that is a fundamentally different thing than being poor makes you want to rape. Poverty is associated with crime, but there's no reason people should use being an oppressed and impoverished minority as an excuse for crimes completely unrelated to racial oppression, such as sexual assault.
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Aug 23, 2014 04:09
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on the left posted:Poverty is associated with crime, but there's no reason people should use being an oppressed and impoverished minority as an excuse for crimes completely unrelated to racial oppression, such as sexual assault. ...but they don't?
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Aug 23, 2014 04:11
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Evil_Greven posted:And another one bites the dust Being a shitheel racist is fairly common here. But being racist itself does not get you fired. Being silent about it leads nowhere and being vocal leads to partner after partner complaining to the supervisor that they can't ride as your partner. A lot of shitheel cops end up riding alone during the shittiest shift because everybody has complained. You still don't get fired. So in your head, nothing seems out of the ordinary when you post to this newfangled facebook and tell everybody what you have always been telling.
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Aug 23, 2014 04:14
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Did anyone see what happened with "Iyanla Vanzant"?
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on the left posted:Poverty is associated with crime, but there's no reason people should use being an oppressed and impoverished minority as an excuse for crimes completely unrelated to racial oppression, such as sexual assault. Yeah that is what is said.
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Did anyone see what happened with "Iyanla Vanzant"?
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Vahakyla posted:Being a shitheel racist is fairly common here. But being racist itself does not get you fired. Being silent about it leads nowhere and being vocal leads to partner after partner complaining to the supervisor that they can't ride as your partner. A lot of shitheel cops end up riding alone during the shittiest shift because everybody has complained. Plus, if the cops nearby hadn't killed a black man recently no one would have cared.
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Aug 23, 2014 04:29
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Jack Gladney posted:America is like the evil universe created when science-fiction characters go back in time and change something inconsequential, and then they come back and everything's bad. We are living in the world where George Bailey was never born. We are the nightmare dystopia. 
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chitoryu12 posted:...but they don't? The response to the crime statistics was a round of the typical "those statistics are racist because they don't consider that minorities are forced into crime by circumstances created by white people", and this logic presumably included the sexual assault statistics posted.
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on the left posted:The response to the crime statistics was a round of the typical "those statistics are racist because they don't consider that minorities are forced into crime by circumstances created by white people", and this logic presumably included the sexual assault statistics posted. I think it's pretty obvious that literally nobody was talking about sexual assault in that context and you're just nitpicking, either for something to harp about or troll about.
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Trabisnikof posted:Plus, if the cops nearby hadn't killed a black man recently no one would have cared. Oh if only you would know how social media representation or even saying things in public and telling you are a cop after that are handled in most places. If you care, here is a link. http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=2091&issue_id=52010 quote:In 2009, an Indiana state trooper faced an Internal Affairs investigation for what was termed “compromising” photographs and statements that he posted on the Internet. An investigation conducted by a news organization found that the trooper had photographs in which he was posed with a .357 Magnum pointed at his head, drinking what he described to be lots of beer with his buddies, and lewd horseplay. The investigation showed that the trooper’s Facebook page was used to brag of heavy drinking along with updates about his activities at work. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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nthalp posted:body cameras. Require all goons to wear bodycameras while posting. wait no don't
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on the left posted:The response to the crime statistics was a round of the typical "those statistics are racist because they don't consider that minorities are forced into crime by circumstances created by white people", and this logic presumably included the sexual assault statistics posted. Disregarding that your understanding isn't even close to what people mean when they're talking about institutional racism I'd really like to know what your explanation for the differences in the statistics are.
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Wait you guys are arguing about an unsourced quote that says this:quote:0.0% EDIT Found the actual article, not going to bother fact checking it because its source is a giant gently caress off list of all crimes committed in a years span. eSporks fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Chokes McGee posted:Require all goons to wear bodycameras while posting. Some people just want to watch the world's penises.
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Kaytwo posted:D&D unironically posts garbage like that all the time. "Me, I gotta own these fools by bolding a bunch of things in this article and posting some gifs in it that will totally make me look like one cool customer" *flips baseball cap around and rides out of the thread on a razor scooter* To be serious, does anyone with some direct experience have any info about the maintenance costs for some of the high-tech stuff these departments have? It sounds like budgets are tight already, how does that factor into the equation on this one? If they aren't getting funding for that stuff then it would be a huge black hole in the budget to keep some of these high-tech toys in good working order and that would really be a missive issue if it conflicts with training for funding. Sorry if I missed that conversation when I scrolled past the redundant poverty arguments that clogged up the thread like southern cuisine has clogged the arteries of some of those heftier officers.
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Vahakyla posted:Oh if only you would know how social media representation or even saying things in public and telling you are a cop after that are handled in most places. Lol if you really think that cops get punished for saying crazy things at political gatherings. No, your link of a cop posting suicidal/alcoholic pictures on facebook isn't the same thing. But yes, most employers have social media policies. Haha, even in the example you quoted the officer wasn't fired and wasn't disciplined for what he said but because he was facebooking on the job: http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=10066071 posted:"There has been an internal investigation started," said ISP Major Carlos Pettiford, adding that investigators are trying to determine if the photos and information posted on Pestow's Facebook page violate department rules. Edit: to be clear the officer was never disciplined instead choosing to resign. He's now a manager with Correctional Corporation of America, in charge of compliance training. He got that job <6 months after he resigned. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Bifner McDoogle posted:"Me, I gotta own these fools by bolding a bunch of things in this article and posting some gifs in it that will totally make me look like one cool customer" *flips baseball cap around and rides out of the thread on a razor scooter* Someone here posted about his local village getting a "free" MRAP, as usual, for basically no reason other than to offload war surplus. He was asking what the cost of maintaining even one would be. Overseas in heavy use by contractors, the DoD spends about $60k a year on each MRAP. It'll obviously be less for something that spends most of its time sitting on a lot and occasionally being driven out to sit outside of houses and look scary when busting the wrong house on a warrant, but it's gotta eat up a good chunk of change. Someone in that thread talks about how his agency got tossed two M14 rifles and they literally can't get rid of them; even if they find another agency that wants them, they're not allowed to sell them or give them away and the state DRMO office wants them accounted for each year. Nobody wants to use them as a patrol rifle when there are perfectly good AR-15s, so they languish while still having to be kept in pristine condition.
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Wadjamaloo posted:To give them some credit they aren't using microwave rays that make peoples skin burn because they cost too much to use. It's not because they were too expensive, they were just too late to request one before other counties police forces snapped them up when the DOD was handing them out. They didn't even get a tank, they got stuck with lovely armored cars, LRADs, and 4 foot long beating sticks.
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol if you really think that cops get punished for saying crazy things at political gatherings. I don't have to think. I know first hand the process of enforcing social media activity in several municipalities. Albeit very closely, I also have second hand information of enforcement and the resulting firings or disciplinary actions of several more police departments that I do not have first hand info in. Only lol is at you if you think that there is a single cop out there who doesn't surf the net or call on the celly during duty. Saying that is also often a clear cut way of getting rid of unwanted behaviour online, by citing a rule that is not followed by anyone. Making correct steps of trying to figure out if it is racist or offensive or incriminating is much harder. Despite systemic ill effects of police departments, they are not some lawless wastelands where people do lovely things all the time without repercussion. Sorry.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:To be serious, does anyone with some direct experience have any info about the maintenance costs for some of the high-tech stuff these departments have? It sounds like budgets are tight already, how does that factor into the equation on this one? If they aren't getting funding for that stuff then it would be a huge black hole in the budget to keep some of these high-tech toys in good working order and that would really be a missive issue if it conflicts with training for funding. Sorry if I missed that conversation when I scrolled past the redundant poverty arguments that clogged up the thread like southern cuisine has clogged the arteries of some of those heftier officers. Somewhere in my internet travels tonight I saw something that the Saginaw County sheriff MRAP that John Oliver made fun of was getting decommissioned because operating costs were so high. http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/22/michigan-county-sheriffs-department-dump
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If police departments were suddenly showered with money, what do you think they would spend them on? Obviously not weapons and armor and stuff since they can get those for free from the feds. More training? More officers? Higher salaries? Tasers? Cameras? Lamborghini police cars?
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Samurai Sanders posted:If police departments were suddenly showered with money, what do you think they would spend them on? Obviously not weapons and armor and stuff since they can get those for free from the feds. More training? More officers? Higher salaries? Tasers? Cameras? Lamborghini police cars? Fleet upgrades and station renovations are usually on the do list, as are new gear and personal protection. Newer boots, uniforms, radios etc. Hiring more is harder since they need their annual budget to raise, not just a lump sum.
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They would probably spend it on more weapons and armor. look at your average republican gun owner. They have two hands and 24 rifles. They probably don't even have the drive to rig up a system allowing them to use all 24 rifles at the same time.
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Kaytwo posted:Something about it works because you're still posting What is it like to live life where you notice and respond to everyone who notices and responds to your posts?
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Vahakyla posted:I don't have to think. I know first hand the process of enforcing social media activity in several municipalities. Good job ignoring my point. If I violated my workplace internet polices, I'd get fired. In the example you gave, the officer got to resign and is now a manager in corrections. He obviously got a good reference. But I do agree that police often charge people with BS charges because they're too lazy to do a complete investigation. At least we agree on that.
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Samurai Sanders posted:If police departments were suddenly showered with money, what do you think they would spend them on? Obviously not weapons and armor and stuff since they can get those for free from the feds. More training? More officers? Higher salaries? Tasers? Cameras? Lamborghini police cars? Hookers and blow. And booze.
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Clearly the big s State cannot infringe on their freedom of speech by threatening them with termination if they exercise it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Good job ignoring my point. If I violated my workplace internet polices, I'd get fired. In the example you gave, the officer got to resign and is now a manager in corrections. He obviously got a good reference. Change your workplace, don't whine at others that your employer is poo poo. Or let me rephrase, no employer should be lovely. Correct way of reaching this is not to make more employers more poo poo, but to make more employers less poo poo.
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Vahakyla posted:Change your workplace, don't whine at others that your employer is poo poo. You have serious reading comprehension issues. Edit: Only a cop would call "getting fired for a fireable offense" a poo poo employer.
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Damiya posted:@katherinemiller: Confirmed: The charity on the new Darren Wilson GoFundMe page and the local police union share the same address https://bzfd.it/1vtHQoO So what's the story here? Besides the implication that his own dept will not be able to investigate him fairly (which is major, but also obvious), is there something I'm missing?
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Trabisnikof posted:Plus, if the cops nearby hadn't killed a black man recently no one would have cared. Ask anyone who Dillon Taylor
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Maybe you should consider the fact that a lot of people in the private sector do not get fired for "fireable offences" and that a lot of people believe, including me, that people should not be fired in most cases at all, despite their violations. You are here literally arguing that police departments allow everything and no discipline is enforced and they are not, in fact, regular workplaces, but actually anarchist and villainy complexes where evil oppressors just do what they please all day every day. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Vahakyla posted:Maybe you should consider the fact that a lot of people in the private sector do not get fired for fireable offences and that a lot of people believe, including me, that people should not be fired in most cases at all, despite their violations. I think a happy medium could be presented here. I think it's a bit too easy for somebody to lose their jobs nowadays, and most employers lord employment over you as a privilege that they are generously granting you, rather than a mutually beneficial service you are both providing. But so long as there are more unemployed people than jobs, and there's more incentive for companies to value bottom lines over employee retention and skilled labor forces, that's not gonna change. It is evidence more of the corrupt fraternity nature of police and law enforcement that it is so difficult to be fired from those jobs, rather than any particularly beneficient or enlightened attitude towards mistakes in the workplace. Strange, too, that when an office worker makes a mistake, very rarely does somebody die--this is not so much the case with police.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I think a happy medium could be presented here. I think it's a bit too easy for somebody to lose their jobs nowadays, and most employers lord employment over you as a privilege that they are generously granting you, rather than a mutually beneficial service you are both providing. But so long as there are more unemployed people than jobs, and there's more incentive for companies to value bottom lines over employee retention and skilled labor forces, that's not gonna change. Except office workers can put tax money to safe havens, skirt responsibility and mass fire people who are providing to their families. Big companies can literally kill tons of people and endanger plenty more and the only repercussion is a bonus to your bank account. In inherited companies, the children of the owner gently caress around with the pick up truck, break safety regulations and endanger their fellow employees. The list goes on forever. The private sector, especially in the United States, ensures that the bottom gets hosed with extra hard and the top gets to be horrible. Public employees no matter what their profession, on average, have an assload of more protection and stability than private jobs here. Some of them, such as police, allow for situations where a killer is not penalized due to the inherent nature of the protections, sometimes built on morally questionable ground. But this also comes from the nature of policing, which leaves violent contact to the table, unlike being the garbage truck driver for the city or being a city nurse. The person I responded to originally argued that the article of that officer facebooking on the job is a special case and no other workplace would allow for this who has similar restrictions. I understand the flaws of the police in the United States and I agree with reforms necessary to make it stop. Hell, I went on and on for pages about that in this thread. What I can't just ignore is that when actual adults say, with a straight face, that "look daddy, those cops get to do EVERYTHING; I mean EVERYTHING and I do not get to do anything". That is like a little kid whining how he never gets ice cream and the neighbor gets every hour. It just simply is not true. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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