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It's not the most diplomatic way of putting it but Nisemonogatari basically has a bunch of times where varying degrees of sexual assault / harassment are played for laughs, if the concept of this is awful to you then you probably don't want to watch it. I think that it's pulled off well enough that it actually works as humour but it's definitely not tasteful in any way and is probably grossly offensive to many. The toothbrush scene is probably less questionable than many because it's so obviously intended to be excessively suggestive that it works better as a joke than some of the random molestings that happen in other scenes. The other seasons are much better for this sort of thing, though sadly not totally free of it IIRC. I'm not sure how much story you'd miss if you just went S1 => S2 since I forget where Nise sits in the canon chronology but I'd still recommend that to anyone who may not enjoy the themes in Nise. It's kind of a shame because if it wasn't for the occasional questionable scene it would be one of my top recommendations to others. icantfindaname posted:Okay, just how skeevy is Monogatari? It has a thread here in ADTRW and is supposedly good but the wiki has a gem of a review about it being "harem anime for the sophisticated pedophile". I watched the first episode and it did not seem bad although I can believe it gets (much) worse. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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The only reason to watch Nisemonogatari is that it introduces a couple of memorable characters, one in particular who has an amazing arc in the "third" season (confusingly called "Monogatari Series Second Season"). I think the aesthetic and dialogue of the show is usually enough to offset its problems, and I don't think it can ever get as bad as it was in Nise, but all told I'd completely understand if anyone wouldn't want to deal with the baggage.
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If anybody doesn't want to deal with the baggage, then they should heed the wisdom of this thread's title.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Also I have no clue why people recommend TTGL to people new to anime. It's a show pretty much based on the idea that you will be familiar with genre cliches from giant robot anime.
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Fat_Cow posted:I was really into YYH, how does Hunter x Hunter compare? YYH is like an overly restrained, more generic rough draft of Hunter x Hunter, trying to break free and become the latter. You may not believe me at first because HxH takes some time to warm up, but from what I recall that's true of YYH too so give it a chance.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:YYH is like an overly restrained, more generic rough draft of Hunter x Hunter, trying to break free and become the latter. But does it have a Orange haired school punk?
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Fat_Cow posted:But does it have a Orange haired school punk? It has a character who is basically Kuwabara in every way except that his hair (styled the same way) isn't orange.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:YYH is like an overly restrained, more generic rough draft of Hunter x Hunter, trying to break free and become the latter. When you say some time to warm up are we talking like, 5 episodes or 30? I saw that it's like, 100 something now so I'm trying to judge how long I need to commit, because I loving love YYH.
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CaptCommy posted:When you say some time to warm up are we talking like, 5 episodes or 30? I saw that it's like, 100 something now so I'm trying to judge how long I need to commit, because I loving love YYH. It's a gradual thing. The really early episodes have kinda shallow characterization and are carried by one semi-villainous character and the elaborate rule/puzzle scenarios; both of those things show up by episode 5. But it keeps building on the protagonists until they become far more interesting people than they were when they started out, which I'd say is the real reward for watching the show, and that takes longer.
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icantfindaname posted:the wiki has a gem of a review about it being "harem anime for the sophisticated pedophile". Now that I look, I think my review is the only overall-positive comment on the wiki page. One of you other
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The relationship between Araragi and Senjougahara (and, later, both their interactions with Hanekawa) are really cool and well-written and almost enough to make me recommend it. But on the other hand, you could just watch Toradora or The Big O or some other character-driven show with great banter and not deal with all the baggage Monogatari brings along.
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If you're going to watch Monogatari you should watch Katanagatari first, because while Nisio Isin writes really good characters a man who is basically a sword and a compulsive political conspirator are more fun to watch than a selection of desperately lonely elementary (but magically actually older!), middle, and high-school girls.
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I found Bakemonogatari extremely satisfying on its own, so I'd say just watch it. If you can deal with the sometimes cringeworthy fanservice, there are some great moments in the subsequent series, but Bakemonogatari will be really enjoyable regardless.
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Katanagatari is probably the absolute worst anime of all time
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That's probably the worst opinion all time about Katanagatari.
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What kind of tortuous existence is it to live in a world where Katanagatari is worse than Master of Martial Hearts?
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Katanagatari is probably the absolute worst anime of all time This is such an outrageous claim I'm more interested in hearing your explanation than calling you out for it.
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Redcrimson posted:What kind of tortuous existence is it to live in a world where Katanagatari is worse than Master of Martial Hearts? Ignorance is bliss, they say.
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Thanks for the recommendations guys. Watching Tiger and Bunny and also Black Lagoon right now, both are solid. I absolutely hate Hulu now, however.
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I couldn't enjoy what became of Togame or Shichika in the final episode and the direction it took just seemed outrageous and confusing given the preceding eleven episodes worth of context. I've been told that I didn't like it because I didn't understand it, but I'm pretty sure I didn't like it because of how far outside of my expectations the ending fell and how unbelievable I found the character interactions in that last episode given what I thought was the established narrative up to that point. But yeah I guess it isn't fair to say it's the worst anime ever, it's simply the most disappointing one I've personally seen. If you want to call me out for having bad taste or whatever that's cool, but I absolutely hated the resolution for Katanagatari and find it impossible to understand how anyone could enjoy it.
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Oh, no, I get you. I was shocked by it myself at first, and I can definitely think of series where the ending retroactively ruined the whole show for me, but in Katanagatari's case I eventually came around on it. The kindest and most important thing Togame could have done for Shichika, as the descendant of the man who made his whole family into a weapon, was to set him free from her plan for revenge. The fact that he's seen living happily with her one-time worst enemy is proof that he took her command of freedom and forgiveness to heart.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:The kindest and most important thing Togame could have done for Shichika, as the descendant of the man who made his whole family into a weapon, was to set him free from her plan for revenge. The fact that he's seen living happily with her one-time worst enemy is proof that he took her command of freedom and forgiveness to heart. Right, the whole point is that Togame is dragged down by the weight of her family's legacy. She devoted her entire life to revenge and never lived for herself. She's not even sure if her feelings for Shichika are really her own until the very end. Shichika on the other hand, abandons his family's legacy, his "swordhood", and even Togame to live on. The fact that Shichika and the Princess, who spent the whole show pursuing her own ideals, are the only characters who actually live should be a pretty big indication of how important Isin thinks it is to be your own person. I don't get how that ending doesn't come across as inevitable. Redcrimson fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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I love the ending to Katanagatari, because it's not just a tragic event, but an inversion of the entire series. It's initially upsetting, but watching the pieces of the premice fall apart, while still keeping the core themes intact, is really cool. I honestly can't imagine a different ending to the story.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:I couldn't enjoy what became of Togame or Shichika in the final episode and the direction it took just seemed outrageous and confusing given the preceding eleven episodes worth of context. I've been told that I didn't like it because I didn't understand it, but I'm pretty sure I didn't like it because of how far outside of my expectations the ending fell and how unbelievable I found the character interactions in that last episode given what I thought was the established narrative up to that point. I wasn't a big fan of the ending either, but I still liked everything I saw that came before it.
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I've been on a bit of an anime movies kick lately because I haven't had the time to get invested in full anime series. I've seen pretty much all of Makoto Shinkai's movies, a bunch by Mamoru Hosoda, and I'm pretty much up to date with Ghibli minus The Wind Rises. Are there any other worthwhile ones out there in the same vein? I guess I can't really say they're too similar, but they're not really super pulpy like Akira and the movies I used to watch.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:I've been on a bit of an anime movies kick lately because I haven't had the time to get invested in full anime series. I've seen pretty much all of Makoto Shinkai's movies, a bunch by Mamoru Hosoda, and I'm pretty much up to date with Ghibli minus The Wind Rises. Are there any other worthwhile ones out there in the same vein? I guess I can't really say they're too similar, but they're not really super pulpy like Akira and the movies I used to watch. Every single one of Satoshi Kon's movies. If I had to pick one to start with it would be Perfect Blue, but they are all top-notch films.    
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Triggerhappypilot posted:I've been on a bit of an anime movies kick lately because I haven't had the time to get invested in full anime series. I've seen pretty much all of Makoto Shinkai's movies, a bunch by Mamoru Hosoda, and I'm pretty much up to date with Ghibli minus The Wind Rises. Are there any other worthwhile ones out there in the same vein? I guess I can't really say they're too similar, but they're not really super pulpy like Akira and the movies I used to watch.
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muike posted:Texhnolyze This hurt to watch, and I loved it. Thanks.
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Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material?
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Dragonball Z
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Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material? Hidamari Sketch.
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Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material? Death Note.
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Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material? Gintama, because the writers add a lot and change some jokes around to work in the anime format.
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Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material? Gunslinger Girl. Only the first season though, the second is a different studio and sucks.
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Srice posted:Gintama, because the writers add a lot and change some jokes around to work in the anime format. Seconding this so goddamn hard. This is the anime that made me acquainted with the great Tomokazu Sugita. And between Gintoki, Kyon and Joseph Joestar, I never realized there was a Voice Actor who was as thrilled to give it his all as this lovable dork. 
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Triggerhappypilot posted:I've been on a bit of an anime movies kick lately because I haven't had the time to get invested in full anime series. I've seen pretty much all of Makoto Shinkai's movies, a bunch by Mamoru Hosoda, and I'm pretty much up to date with Ghibli minus The Wind Rises. Are there any other worthwhile ones out there in the same vein? I guess I can't really say they're too similar, but they're not really super pulpy like Akira and the movies I used to watch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memories_%281995_film%29 Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material? k-on
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Is there any (good) 4-koma manga that didn't get better when it was adapted into an anime? Servant x Service and Working!! also immediately come to mind.
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Kubla Khan posted:Could someone suggest a good anime that's actually superior to its manga source material?
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Wark Say posted:Seconding this so goddamn hard. This is the anime that made me acquainted with the great Tomokazu Sugita. And between Gintoki, Kyon and Joseph Joestar, I never realized there was a Voice Actor who was as thrilled to give it his all as this lovable dork. When I tried the first few episodes of Gintama it seemed exceedingly dull and boring to me, and I barely smiled during any of the 2-3 episodes I watched. Am I just lacking in humor or something, or does it not get good until episode 30 or whatever?
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