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https://www.news.com.au/finance/rea...l-1227034374596quote:THE hurdle to home ownership just got higher. Man involved in burdening poor people with crushing debt complains he can't burden them with quite so much crushing debt. Something something global financial crisis something property always goes up!
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Anidav posted:Apparently Queensland Labor conference shot down gay marriage too. So a 50/50 vote on stuff and marriage equality both got shot down in what is apparently the most left wing form of the Labor Party currently at a state level. Join qld alp they said, it's all grass roots and a chance to reinvent the party they said! So I guess the alp really does just attract poo poo heels.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:11
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Anidav posted:It's only a matter of time before QLD Labor wins the next election with an influx of right wing MPs and goes back to being exactly like NSW With all the optimism at the chance of real change within the party after the post election purge, half a dozen people here said it wouldn't amount to poo poo.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:14
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I'm so sad because of it because I feel change in QLD Labor, everywhere EXCEPT the delegates. gently caress.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:54
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Err lol that is the exact opposite of what happened. Massive and deeply gratifying progressive changes to the Qld platform. Obviously the big ticket items (onshore community refugee processing, no conscience vote on gay marriage) are not really actionable by a state legislature but, ya know, gently caress y'all on behalf of the people who have worked to make these pretty significant changes in official policy happen.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:05
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Really satisfying to see the Libs still as deep in denial as they are. When it comes crashing down it'll flatten them. Raising taxes? WTF are they on.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:17
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Big ticket items still need a platform to remain in the public eye, even if that platform is QLD 
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Aug 24, 2014 07:20
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Those items are in the platform like right now. As a consequence of this conference. That's what I'm saying. Even though the Qld government can't do anything about those issues, they are now items of Qld ALP policy.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:23
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Implants posted:Err lol that is the exact opposite of what happened. Massive and deeply gratifying progressive changes to the Qld platform. Please list some of these massive progressive changes, I'll be happy to be wrong.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:23
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Didn't Anidav just say that marriage equality doesn't have a platform because they shot it down 
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Aug 24, 2014 07:24
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I'm pretty sure they shot it down but will hold a conscience vote at "some point" which will probably maybe happen like the Liberal Party's one. And you guys shot down 50/50, what the gently caress. I'm still mad about that; giving Unions a double vote, buuuuuullllshiiiiiit.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:33
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Implants posted:Those items are in the platform like right now. As a consequence of this conference. That's what I'm saying. Even though the Qld government can't do anything about those issues, they are now items of Qld ALP policy. Lol
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Aug 24, 2014 07:35
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They shot down the conscience vote on gay marriage. MPs are now bound to the platform on this issue. The platform supports gay marriage. This will also go to national conference next year.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:38
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Anidav posted:I'm pretty sure they shot it down but will hold a conscience vote at "some point" which will probably maybe happen like the Liberal Party's one. You guys? I'm neither in the left nor a delegate to the Qld conference lol.
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Aug 24, 2014 07:39
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Vaguely related: is gay marriage still possible in individual states or did the high court/ACT thing rule that out? There were rumblings of a bill potentially passing in SA last year, but I haven't heard anything about that recently, although that might be because SA had a larger Labor majority back then and a different Liberal leader that supported marriage equality. I guess what I'm asking is: does the legal premise behind the high court ruling prevent states from legalising gay marriage?
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Aug 24, 2014 07:41
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Implants posted:They shot down the conscience vote on gay marriage. MPs are now bound to the platform on this issue. The platform supports gay marriage. This will also go to national conference next year. I was told the exact opposite happened and the radio silence on twitter lined up with it. Seriously though,What is going on where is the liveblog and the pdf of motions passed???
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Aug 24, 2014 07:45
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Vladimir Poutine posted:Vaguely related: is gay marriage still possible in individual states or did the high court/ACT thing rule that out? There were rumblings of a bill potentially passing in SA last year, but I haven't heard anything about that recently, although that might be because SA had a larger Labor majority back then and a different Liberal leader that supported marriage equality. I guess what I'm asking is: does the legal premise behind the high court ruling prevent states from legalising gay marriage? Didn't the high court shoot it down because way back when Howard made marriage an issue for the federal government to look after just to stop this kind of thing?
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Aug 24, 2014 07:47
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Anidav posted:I was told the exact opposite happened and the radio silence on twitter lined up with it. Seriously though,What is going on where is the liveblog and the pdf of motions passed??? WELL there goes my confidence In what happened, making me The Jerk, because all I have is some Facebook updates from friends but they're Rainbow Labor guys who are super happy? Edit nah I'm 100% sure I'm right, the guy who moved the motion has posted on Facebook about how happy he is it succeeded. The leader of Qld Labor for Refugees has similarly posted about how happy they are that their motion on the ending of offshore detention and transition to community processing was successful. Implants fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 07:54
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Anidav posted:And you guys shot down 50/50, what the gently caress. I'm still mad about that; giving Unions a double vote, buuuuuullllshiiiiiit. 50/50 was shot down in favour of keeping the 33/33/33 branch/parliament/unions. I'm curious how removing the involvement of the unions would some how be beneficial to the Queensland ALP and not further entrench the transformation into Tory lite? How dare the trade unions have a say in the political party which they created...
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Aug 24, 2014 08:25
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Repeal the Carbon Tax (Half Marks) Building the roads of the 21st Century (public transport... lol) 1.5 out of 6 aint bad?
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Aug 24, 2014 08:27
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thatfatkid posted:50/50 was shot down in favour of keeping the 33/33/33 branch/parliament/unions. I'm curious how removing the involvement of the unions would some how be beneficial to the Queensland ALP and not further entrench the transformation into Tory lite? Union members already have a vote as *gasp* party members! If they're not members of the party, they shouldn't get to vote for the parliamentary leader, who is the leader of the political wing ie the party. Party members who aren't union members don't get to vote for union executives, despite the fact that the union movement owes it's continued existence to the party as much as the other way around. What's good for the goose etc. The reason for this being shot down by the left in Queensland has nothing to do with union involvement in the party and everything to do with the fact that they're still furious that they couldn't turf Anna Bligh what is now literally years and years ago, and instead had to settle for just publicly campaigning against her. Shocking how direct election of the parliamentary leader only became such a big issue of democratic and ideological importance in Queensland after it became clear that certain misogynist fuckwits in the left couldn't swing numbers in parliamentary caucus to control the leadership directly. I'm not excusing the right here, either - if the shoe had been on the other foot, they'd have responded in largely the same way.
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Aug 24, 2014 08:36
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Implants posted:The reason for this being shot down by the left in Queensland has nothing to do with union involvement in the party and everything to do with the fact that they're still furious that they couldn't turf Anna Bligh what is now literally years and years ago, and instead had to settle for just publicly campaigning against her. Shocking how direct election of the parliamentary leader only became such a big issue of democratic and ideological importance in Queensland after it became clear that certain misogynist fuckwits in the left couldn't swing numbers in parliamentary caucus to control the leadership directly. So the decision has nothing to do with union involvement in the party except it does because the unions were totally powerless to do anything about Anna Bligh and her govt totally abandoning Labor principles and privatising state assets. Please don't excuse Anna Bligh's traitorous ways by painting union campaigns against her neo liberal govt as misogynistic.
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Aug 24, 2014 08:45
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thatfatkid posted:So the decision has nothing to do with union involvement in the party except it does because the unions were totally powerless to do anything about Anna Bligh and her govt totally abandoning Labor principles and privatising state assets. Please don't excuse Anna Bligh's traitorous ways by painting union campaigns against her neo liberal govt as misogynistic. *shrug* this is a lovely argument that's been done to death. I think Anna's actions were justified in the balance of the circumstances, the caucus agreed, and I'll never accept the idea of affiliated unions campaigning against a sitting Labor government. I can accept that for some people the sale of any state assets is unacceptable and any response is justifiable but you can't hide behind ideology entirely that there was a great deal of personal politics and animosity involved in that situation, as well as some straight up misogyny (being a heavy in a left union doesn't preclude people from having contemptible political views).
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Aug 24, 2014 08:58
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Implants posted:*shrug* this is a lovely argument that's been done to death. I think Anna's actions were justified in the balance of the circumstances, the caucus agreed, and I'll never accept the idea of affiliated unions campaigning against a sitting Labor government. I can accept that for some people the sale of any state assets is unacceptable and any response is justifiable but you can't hide behind ideology entirely that there was a great deal of personal politics and animosity involved in that situation, as well as some straight up misogyny (being a heavy in a left union doesn't preclude people from having contemptible political views). Ok I get it. The plebs should know their place and never question their masters.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:07
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I really am a party hack. For a rare moment I'm feeling pretty good about how things are going and so I get all frisky about politics.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:10
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thatfatkid posted:Ok I get it. The plebs should know their place and never question their masters. Lol whatever that is a hugely uncharitable reading of my position. If "the plebs" (nice) were of prime importance then perhaps they should get 50% of the vote for the leader? Maybe 25% for the caucus and union members? poo poo, maybe we should wind back union delegation to conferences so rank and file members get more of a say! Is funny how union guys rarely advance this idea in their crusade for the branchies.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:14
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"ugh, unions  " - the alp
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Aug 24, 2014 09:16
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What are the actual good things that happened in Queensland Labor today because I'm still yet to hear non-conflicting stories on it.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:17
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Pfft I have been a union member since I was 13, dealing with senior union executives in a political context and not particularly enjoying the experience doesn't mean gently caress all about my beliefs in unionism. A motion calling for the immediate end of offshore detention and transition to community processing of refugee applicants was passed unopposed and will be taken to national conference by the Qld delegate. A motion removing conscience voting on marriage equality in Qld and calling for the same resolution at national conference was passed. Policy to restore the barrier reef protection authority was passed (the CFMEU reportedly refused to support an amendment that would have banned all dredging and dumping in the marine park area - but hey they're a union so must be awesome I guess???). Policy to develop increased affordable public housing stock was passed. Policy to restore specialist youth mental health services was passed. These are imo unequivocal good things.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:31
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Captain Pissweak posted:Didn't the high court shoot it down because way back when Howard made marriage an issue for the federal government to look after just to stop this kind of thing? Constitution lists things that are for the federal government to legislate on which marriage is one. States can legislate in these areas but Commonwealth legislation will always supersede it so when there were rumblings about it happening the Howard government amended the Marriage Act to define marriage as between a man and women. The ACT act from memory was an attempt to create a second category of marriage and then apply the federal act to it to get around the definition. High Court said that 'marriage' in today's world covers same-sex unions so the federal definition applies. So states can certainly legislate for gay marriage, but if the federal government, or anyone really, takes it to the High Court it's going to fail. In reality the federal marriage act will need to be changed.
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Captain Pissweak posted:What are the actual good things that happened in Queensland Labor today because I'm still yet to hear non-conflicting stories on it. I'll wait for a link to a feed or something. Qld alp spat ITT. Also something something third way. hambeet fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 11:44
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http://www.aboriginalaffairs.nsw.gov.au/the-best-free-porn-website-for-the-adults/
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Aug 24, 2014 11:46
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So that's what they meant by the adults being back in charge!
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Aug 24, 2014 11:49
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Seemingly out of nowhere Mathias Cormann seems to have become much more prominent in the media these last two weeks. Is reading into this hoping for too much? 
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Aug 24, 2014 13:27
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Nah, despite being the finance minister he's still a political nobody in Australia
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Aug 24, 2014 13:34
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Shakugan posted:Seemingly out of nowhere Mathias Cormann seems to have become much more prominent in the media these last two weeks. Is reading into this hoping for too much? They're trying to have him step in for Hockey
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Aug 24, 2014 13:39
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They're running out of ministers who the public are quickly hating. The usual tactic of rotating through them to deflect fire and or to just operate as party mouthpieces isn't working very well. Hockey's sunk himself so deep with his "it's the poor's fault" message that Cormann's the only option they have at the moment. "Het schip niet zinken. Ja, we are fine, one united partij. Oh! Een eagle!"
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Aug 24, 2014 13:44
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Jonah Galtberg posted:They're trying to have him step in for Hockey Yeah, I'm just wondering if they plan for him to more than just "step in" for Hockey. The schadenfreude at seeing Hockey get booted as Treasurer would be unbelievable.
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Aug 24, 2014 13:45
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Shakugan posted:Seemingly out of nowhere Mathias Cormann seems to have become much more prominent in the media these last two weeks. Is reading into this hoping for too much? They're trying to restart the budget emergency narrative but they haven't realised that they have lost not just the battle but the war over the budget. Mathias is the attempt because he doesn't have the stigma of Hockey but no one in the public is buying it and they have no idea what to do (usually they'd threaten a double dissolution in cases like this except every other party knows a DD favours them so instead they're just now threatening to cut funding to things for no reason).
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