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L0cke17 posted:That is incorrect, except in very rare cases of certain combo decks. The most lopsided fair deck mana-wise (Thresh) runs 8 fetches, 6 targets. Most decks planning on going past turn 3 will run 8-10 fetches in 20-23 lands. not every deck runs exactly double the fetches, but many decks run more fetches than there are targets. its not rare cases of certain combo decks at all
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Luis Scott-Vargas @lsv 5m I'm overwhelmingly in favor of the changes to Magic/Standard, and wrote an article about them that's going up on @ChannelFireball tonight. Seems good.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:17
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Game itself isn't changing, don't care. (Although Blood/Sweat/Tears/Fears is cute. What's the small set after "Barrel", I wonder? "Monkeys"?)
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Aug 25, 2014 16:18
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Yeah it actually is monkeys.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:19
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As demonstrated by this graph, R&D was running out of three word code names and switched to this structure solely to do two word code names. Avoided a bullet there, I say.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:19
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Rinkles posted:So Tarkir's draft structure actually acts as a transition into the new 2 set paradigm. Yeah I just realized that, it means JOU/BNG/THS is the last environment ever with three sets drafted together.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:21
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So every large set will be in standard for 18 months, and every small set will be in for 15. That's the same amount of time spring sets stay in standard now, and did anybody feel like Rise of the Eldrazi or Avacyn Restored didn't get enough time to shine?
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Aug 25, 2014 16:21
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This is also a lot better for limited, too. Full-block limited environments are really unfocused.
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I don't think I've ever seen a MTG-related announcement that's gotten such a unanimously-positive response. It's been 30 minutes on Reddit and no one has said it's going to kill Magic yet!
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So full block draft is always going to be "Big Big Small." But will last longer?
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Also, I found it interesting that Maro dropped this and never came back to it in the article:Maro posted:This led to the next rather radical proposal—what if we got rid of the core set? As I explained above, the core set has had a split identity problem for years, and it was only getting worse. What if we used the summer slot for the small set for the second block? This would mean we'd have to solve the problem of what to do with new players, but there had already been talk of creating a product line solely for them, anyway. So in addition to the two 2-set blocks each year, there may be some kind of supplemental product for new players? I'm curious where they go with this.
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Kabanaw posted:So every large set will be in standard for 18 months, and every small set will be in for 15. That's the same amount of time spring sets stay in standard now, and did anybody feel like Rise of the Eldrazi or Avacyn Restored didn't get enough time to shine? Rise could have used more time. gently caress AVR with a rusty hatchet....If it wasn't random wins off a Miracle'd Bonfire, it was blinking Thragtusks and Acidic Slimes with Restoration Angel. Not to mention the drudgery that was AVR limited.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:26
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I'm impressed, this is a pretty big change that seems to be getting massively positive reactions from huge nerds. Probably because it doesn't actually affect gameplay at all. This change is great and fosters everyone's ADD.
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As a mainly standard player I am deeply conflicted about this. On one hand I appreciate what they are trying to do, with making standard less stale, making sets less boring in terms of storyline and flavor and generally getting rid of the awful core sets (though I did like M15), but the skeptic in me is just thinking that the 18 months rather the 24 months rotation time is just something to make more money off standard. It probably will also increase the difficulty of people getting into standard due to fearing cards will be rotated out before they can be properly used. Also, How many times have people said "xyz card will be good post rotation"? It means a lot of cool cards released in these sets won't have time to shine before they are rotated out or am I just missing the big picture for all of this?
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Nibble posted:Also, I found it interesting that Maro dropped this and never came back to it in the article: I think its supposed to be Duels of the Planeswalkers.
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Attorney at Funk posted:This is also a lot better for limited, too. Full-block limited environments are really unfocused. Boo. I didn't like it when they reduced the set size (limited gets more predictable and boring) and now they're going even further in that direction. And now we don't get super standard anymore! Eh, whatever, I hardly play standard anyway.
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New Block structure? Not bad. No core set? After the fun that was M15? Well, if that's the price that must be paid.
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Was being hella cynical about how much the hype had taken off for this article. Welp, shows me, this is kind of big news. Being the card casual/flavour nut that I am, I really really hope that Wizards follows up on that thing about hiring more Creative members to deal with the faster set changes. They already seem quite hard pressed, especially when it comes to the meatier stuff like the books, so it'll go badly if they don't step up the staffing tout suite.
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Samael posted:As a mainly standard player I am deeply conflicted about this. On one hand I appreciate what they are trying to do, with making standard less stale, making sets less boring in terms of storyline and flavor and generally getting rid of the awful core sets (though I did like M15), but the skeptic in me is just thinking that the 18 months rather the 24 months rotation time is just something to make more money off standard. It probably will also increase the difficulty of people getting into standard due to fearing cards will be rotated out before they can be properly used. Also, How many times have people said "xyz card will be good post rotation"? It means a lot of cool cards released in these sets won't have time to shine before they are rotated out or am I just missing the big picture for all of this? But they aren't going to be printing more standard legal cards... This could actually drive down standard card prices on the secondary markets.
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mcmagic posted:So full block draft is always going to be "Big Big Small." But will last longer? If they keep the release schedule roughly the same, it'll last just as long as, say, BNG/THS/THS did already. But instead of moving on to JOU/BNG/THS, you'd move straight to the next block instead. Basically if I understand correctly, the next couple years of draft environments will look like this, with each being the primary draft format for roughly the same amount of time (~3 months?): Khans/Khans/Khans Dewey/Khans/Khans Dewey/Louie/Louie M16/M16/M16 Blood/Blood/Blood Sweat/Blood/Blood Tears/Tears/Tears Fears/Tears/Tears
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Attorney at Funk posted:This is also a lot better for limited, too. Full-block limited environments are really unfocused. I dunno, I liked full Theros block draft better than BTT or TTT v  vVeyrall posted:New Block structure? Not bad. No core set? After the fun that was M15? Well, if that's the price that must be paid. As far as limited goes, I've never been a huge fan of the core sets. M13 being the one huge exception.
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Nibble posted:If they keep the release schedule roughly the same, it'll last just as long as, say, BNG/THS/THS did already. But instead of moving on to JOU/BNG/THS, you'd move straight to the next block instead. Shouldn't this be Louie/Louie/Louie?
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Aug 25, 2014 16:32
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Hopefully this results in more classic mechanics being stuck into blocks now that they can't shove them into core sets as an afterthought. (They seem to avoid the more complex ones since it's supposed to be a "beginner" product.)
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Aug 25, 2014 16:32
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Nibble posted:Also, I found it interesting that Maro dropped this and never came back to it in the article: It could be increasing the Commander/Arch Enemy number of releases during the year or upgraded Deckbuilders Toolbox
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Aug 25, 2014 16:32
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mcmagic posted:But they aren't going to be printing more standard legal cards... This could actually drive down standard card prices on the secondary markets. It may do that, I agree, I am also hoping that the shorter rotation time gives them a bit more lee-way into reprinting cards that won't completely break the format and are hard to get for more eternal formats.
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mcmagic posted:Shouldn't this be Louie/Louie/Louie? It should be Louie/Louie/Dewey.
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mcmagic posted:Shouldn't this be Louie/Louie/Louie? Nope. This isn't like ROE/AVR, this is a new thing. EDIT: Although I'm not sure about the order so Kabanaw's probably right.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:33
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I'm generally in favor of the changes, but I'm trying to figure out if this will impact me as a retailer (I own a LGS). Going from four big sales spikes a year to only two...
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Man, I'm sure going to miss great third sets like Prophecy, Fifth Dawn, Saviors of Kamigawa, Alara Reborn, Avacyn Restored, and Dragon's Maze.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I'm generally in favor of the changes, but I'm trying to figure out if this will impact me as a retailer (I own a LGS). Going from four big sales spikes a year to only two... There's still four sets a year coming out, just instead of a 3 block set and a core set it's two blocks of two sets per year.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:35
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Kabanaw posted:It should be Louie/Louie/Dewey. So Dewey gets drafted twice with two different big sets. Interesting.
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Zonekeeper posted:There's still four sets a year coming out, just instead of a 3 block set and a core set it's two blocks of two sets per year. Unless I'm completely mis-reading it, there is one Fall set and one Spring set every year now.
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Nibble posted:If they keep the release schedule roughly the same, it'll last just as long as, say, BNG/THS/THS did already. But instead of moving on to JOU/BNG/THS, you'd move straight to the next block instead. This is what I want to understand... I think I need another one of those sweet animated gifs WOTC seem to have got good at doing.
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I for one, welcome our new block formats, with the following concerns: 1. This format does nothing to increase availability of chase rares in small sets. Blood still gets (per draft) 3 months of 3 packs opened + 3 months of 2 packs opened, while Sweat gets 3 months of 1 pack opened. This is what I call the Jace, The Mind Sculptor issue (because as we all know, the biggest problem with Jace was that there weren't enough floating around). 2. I actually really liked having the core set around because it was a prime source of reprints that didn't really fit in anywhere else, and its actually pretty exciting to see multiple cards that you liked reprinted in the same set. Whether you liked Mutavault or not, having it show up in M15 was good for modern, and there is no other expert expansion it would have fit in since Lorwyn. Tribal was a thing in Innistrad but it would have been hard to flavor shoe-horn it in there. 3. Having a card be standard legal for 18 (15 for small?) months is a real kick in the balls. Not for me, because I play limited and haven't had a standard deck since Innistrad/Scars, but I can sympathize with someone trying to build a standard deck for 2 years now having that cut down even further. 4. Finally I hope Wizards reserves plans to keep the same world in tact for 2 blocks. Zendikar would have been awesome if it was 2 blocks of ZEN/WWK and then ROE/ROE2 with a connected world, storyline, and 1 or 2 connected mechanics.
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Man, we get to change worlds more often now, stories progress faster. Plus we still get Commander, etc for our dumb little "Hey here's a random Zendikar duder" we were getting in the core sets. I am 100% behind this change.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Unless I'm completely mis-reading it, there is one Fall set and one Spring set every year now. There's a fall and spring rotation. Check this gif, there's 4 sets per year: 
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Aug 25, 2014 16:38
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Unless I'm completely mis-reading it, there is one Fall set and one Spring set every year now. Block. Of two sets. I don't own a store but I should hope small sets also constitute a sales spike?
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Unless I'm completely mis-reading it, there is one Fall set and one Spring set every year now. You are completely misreading, there will be two different 2 set blocks each year, with the big set coming out in the fall/spring and the small set coming out in the winter/summer.
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Kabanaw posted:It should be Louie/Louie/Dewey. Yeah I wasn't sure about that, whether "newest set first" or "small set first" won out. Either way, Khans block draft is divided so all three sets are never drafted together. Dr. Clockwork posted:I'm generally in favor of the changes, but I'm trying to figure out if this will impact me as a retailer (I own a LGS). Going from four big sales spikes a year to only two... I'm not sure what you mean. If by "four big sales spikes" you mean set releases, there are still four sets being released each year. The difference is that the large fall set that introduces a new block, which is traditionally the one players get most excited for, will happen again in the spring now. So instead of one brand-new block, you get two per year, which should be good for business.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I'm generally in favor of the changes, but I'm trying to figure out if this will impact me as a retailer (I own a LGS). Going from four big sales spikes a year to only two... Don't the core sets sell pretty badly compared to blocks?
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