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cat doter posted:I don't think it's my favourite, I like SH2's adherence to weird rear end poo poo to be way more compelling, but it's definitely my second favourite. After that it's probably Shattered Memories then Downpour (for some reason my opinion of Downpour is way more positive in the time since finishing it). If you're going to play SH4 there are some things you should know to make it a lot less frustrating than it would be otherwise. During the first half of the game where you visit each world once you'll want to dump most of the healing items you find into your item chest instead of using them, if you need to heal you can just go through a hole and hang around your apartment and you'll regen. You cannot do this in the second half so those items will be your only way of healing and also SH4 has a limited inventory. It's also important to go back to your apartment periodically anyway and look around to see if anythings changed so constant trips to your apartment aren't going to seem as tedious as they sound. When you make it to the world thats inside an apartment block, it's actually your apartment block. This isn't really a major thing but it's something you might not realise straight away. Golf clubs break and become useless as weapons after a certain amount of time. The most important thing, however, is ghosts. You cannot kill them so don't bother trying, just run away. You can however knock them down and pin them to the ground with a 'sword of obedience'. Don't do this in the first half of the game. Every world in the second half has a special ghost that is way more powerful than the normal ones and there are only 5 of those swords in the entire game and 5 special ghosts. EXCEPT, one of those ghosts you cannot pin and one of those swords is already stuck in a normal ghost. Don't take it. There are 3 silver bullets in the entire game, don't waste them During the escort quest you can leave the person you're escorting behind safely if the area is large enough, free of enemies and you're fast enough at reaching the door to the next area. You can then clear out enemies and go back to fetch them much later. DON'T TAKE THE DOLL.
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Silent Hill 4 is an obtuse, crappy game that's never entertaining and I kind of hate it and never want to play it again. BUT, the writing and atmosphere is actually incredible. The things it did with the apartment are super effective and creative, and Walter Sullivan is the best character in the whole series, or pretty much any horror game. The entire thing is essentially a character study of him, and for the most part it's incredibly well-done and extremely evocative in terms of constantly making you feel like something is loving wrong. I think it is a game that is worth playing exactly once. Edit: Also I loving love that they made a whole game about a character that's only briefly mentioned in a document in Silent Hill 2. God, there's so much squandered potential in this whole series. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Aug 26, 2014 11:58
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Hakkesshu posted:Edit: Also I loving love that they made a whole game about a character that's only briefly mentioned in a document in Silent Hill 2. God, there's so much squandered potential in this whole series.
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Aug 26, 2014 12:09
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Hakkesshu posted:BUT, the writing and atmosphere is actually incredible. The things it did with the apartment are super effective and creative, and Walter Sullivan is the best character in the whole series, or pretty much any horror game.
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Cardiovorax posted:People have said this before, but I really do not remotely get why. Sullivan's an idiot and his motivation is pure nonsense. hey dude, your apartment is my mom, so i'm gonna lock you up in her and haunt you with a buncha ghosts, kbye "Best character" is something else. Silent Hill is a series that's all about abstract concepts and vague allusions to things like heaven and salvation. It's dreamlike logic, and you laying it out in the most literal manner possible and saying "that doesn't make sense!" doesn't really accomplish anything. Maybe that's a flimsy argument, but I'm not sure what you want me to say; he's a crazy fanatic serial killer, his clear motivation isn't really the thing that makes that character. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Aug 26, 2014 12:32
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Hakkesshu posted:Silent Hill is a series that's all about abstract concepts and vague allusions to things like heaven and salvation. It's dreamlike logic, and you laying it out in the most literal manner possible doesn't really accomplish anything. Hakkesshu posted:Maybe that's a flimsy argument, but I'm not sure what you want me to say; he's a crazy fanatic serial killer, his clear motivation isn't really the thing that makes that character.
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Cardiovorax posted:I don't know, really. You're the one who said Sullivan's the best written character in any horror game. I figure you'd know the reason why you're saying that. Because the game explores a character's psyche and perspective in a way that no other game does. Everything about that world revolves around him; the game gradually builds up all these little threads that converge into an incredibly disturbing portrait of this character and the ways in which he views the world. It's not only the writing, but also the visuals, the music, the thematic variation in the environments and just generally in the way that game presents its revelations. I think it's incredibly effective and it lends that character a level of depth that you generally don't see in the genre.¨ I think it is really loving cool, enough to elevate a game that I otherwise think is complete garbage.
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Cardiovorax posted:People have said this before, but I really do not remotely get why. Sullivan's an idiot and his motivation is pure nonsense. hey dude, your apartment is my mom, so i'm gonna lock you up in her and haunt you with a buncha ghosts, kbye "Best character" is something else. You can make anything sound stupid if you deliberately mischaracterise and simplify it. Hakkesshu posted:Edit: Also I loving love that they made a whole game about a character that's only briefly mentioned in a document in Silent Hill 2. God, there's so much squandered potential in this whole series. His grave is also in the prison graveyard in SH2.
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Silent Hill games are best when they're about characters, not locations or plots. Silent Hill 1 was about Alessa(?) and the crazy psychological horror that she brought to the town. Silent Hill 2 was about James Sunderland and the horror that the town manifested for him. The third game was just about the cult - Heather had a place in the plot but not in the overall game (if that makes sense). The Room was the same - the game is about what Walter Sullivan does, but the world doesn't really reflect his character, just the result of the actions he takes. At least, that's how I saw it.
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Aug 26, 2014 14:59
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:
Why do you hate fun?
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Why do you hate fun? It'd be nice if the doll did something aside from creating an annoyance in your apartment.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:28
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The doll's super exciting, get the doll.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:You can make anything sound stupid if you deliberately mischaracterise and simplify it.
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He was a crazy serial killer with guns and a chainsaw. He didn't need a "clear motivation" any more than any hosed up serial killer ever did. "My dog is possessed by Satan and he told me to rip out the eyes of toddlers. This is objectively silly so I am not frightening."
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I just heard about this game called The Vanishing of Ethan Carter. It looks like some sort of spooky adventure game where you play a detective who can talk to the dead trying to find some kid who went missing. It might not be jump scare type horror but judging by the gameplay video I have seen it definitely looks like just the thing I have been looking for after playing P.T. Just an atmospheric first person puzzle/exploration game with some occult H.P. Lovecraft stuff thrown in. Looks pretty awesome and comes out in September. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q_aNw4pTqc
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Cardiovorax posted:Hey, I'm not mischaracterizing anything, that's what actually happens. If your premise sounds that stupid once you boil it down to the essentials then maybe it wasn't a very good one to begin with. You didn't boil it down to bare essentials though. That would be "Orphaned serial killer occultist attempts a ritual to bring paradise on earth and awaken his mother who he was brainwashed into believing was a room". Are you going to tell me Psycho is a poo poo film because I could make that sound equally stupid? Kaboom Dragoon posted:Why do you hate fun? Any sense of fun died in me when I played through SH4, the unfunnest of Silent Hills.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:
I take it you didn't play Silent Hill QTE...I mean Origins.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:You didn't boil it down to bare essentials though. That would be "Orphaned serial killer occultist attempts a ritual to bring paradise on earth and awaken his mother who he was brainwashed into believing was a room". Are you going to tell me Psycho is a poo poo film because I could make that sound equally stupid?
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Holy poo poo this looks awesome.
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That isn't how Walter's narrative worked. He's kind of like the shark from Jaws in that you rarely even see him, you only see glimpses of him and the horrible, horrible mess he's making of people a step ahead of your getting there. ...well, at least until about halfway when he notices you and decides he's going to start playing Nemesis.
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Cardiovorax posted:You could make a good argument that it is. It's kind of beside the point, though, because Norman Bates got on-screen time and actual characterization outside of text-only journal files that could justify the claim that he is well-written. It is beside the point, the point here is you're making things sound stupider than they are on purpose and in bad faith. I don't care whether you think Walter was well written or not, that was the other guy.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:It is beside the point, the point here is you're making things sound stupider than they are on purpose and in bad faith. I don't care whether you think Walter was well written or not, that was the other guy.
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:I just heard about this game called The Vanishing of Ethan Carter. It looks like some sort of spooky adventure game where you play a detective who can talk to the dead trying to find some kid who went missing. I don't know if it's just the railroad track and the dead body specifically reminding me of Stand By Me, but I'm getting a real Stephen King vibe from that game in the best way. I'll reserve judgement until it comes out but it looks really good.
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Seems extremely similar to Murdered: Soul Suspect, I'm down.
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I have a UK copy of silent hill 2 I got secondhand, which includes some dvd's about the making of, etc. What I mean to say is I legitimately own it. I can hook my UK ps2 up to the tv by doing a whole bunch of weird stuff, or I can just play it in high res on an emulator on my pc. The thing is, I have a DS3 controller and I remember silent hill 2 needs you to press X REALLY HARD a lot. I don't think that the ds3 controller-emulated-as-xbox-controller will cut it. Do you recommend me playing it on the ps2 because of this? To come to think of it I've unlocked the chainsaw on my ps2 as well... is new game plus always better for a second playthrough? I do remember I managed to port my savegames from my ps2 and play them on an emulator, though 
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Man, I liked Murdered: Soul Suspect. It was short and easy, but that's not really a bad thing.
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redreader posted:I have a UK copy of silent hill 2 I got secondhand, which includes some dvd's about the making of, etc. What I mean to say is I legitimately own it. I can hook my UK ps2 up to the tv by doing a whole bunch of weird stuff, or I can just play it in high res on an emulator on my pc. New game plus is a washup. SH2 isn't a game you play for the combat. Since you already know the solutions to the riddles you may as well go with it.
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Cardiovorax posted:I've played SH2 emulated before and I think it doesn't matter. When in doubt use a hack for autofire, that'll fix every QTE problem you might have. What I mean is, when you press x to hit people you do a 'death strike' if you press x hard, and you just whack them if you press x normally. I remember using the death strike a lot.
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redreader posted:I have a UK copy of silent hill 2 I got secondhand, which includes some dvd's about the making of, etc. What I mean to say is I legitimately own it. I can hook my UK ps2 up to the tv by doing a whole bunch of weird stuff, or I can just play it in high res on an emulator on my pc. I recommend you play the PC version somehow. There's HD and widescreen patches.
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redreader posted:What I mean is, when you press x to hit people you do a 'death strike' if you press x hard, and you just whack them if you press x normally. I remember using the death strike a lot.
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Cardiovorax posted:I... don't think I remember that? The PS2 controller did not have the capability to tell whether you were pressing a button "hard" or just at all. Maybe you're confusing something there? Someone never played Metal Gear Solid 2 
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:I just heard about this game called The Vanishing of Ethan Carter. It looks like some sort of spooky adventure game where you play a detective who can talk to the dead trying to find some kid who went missing. This looks awesome. I agree with the person above who is getting Steven King vibes from this. I'm so down.
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Cardiovorax posted:I... don't think I remember that? The PS2 controller did not have the capability to tell whether you were pressing a button "hard" or just at all. Maybe you're confusing something there? Or your controller was just broken. Come on, do some research before you tell me I'm wrong. Clearly you never played metal gear solid 3 or silent hill 2. http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-28449.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualShock#DualShock_2 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/632696-metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/59943740?page=3
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I have, but I seriously don't remember that. How weird.
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You could get the PC ports really cheap, IIRC you just tap forward+attack for the hard attack.
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Neo Rasa posted:You could get the PC ports really cheap, IIRC you just tap forward+attack for the hard attack. So those are recommended versions over ps2? I read up on the ps3 hd ports and apparently they're awful. So the pc ones are ok? (thanks for the input everyone! )
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redreader posted:So those are recommended versions over ps2? I read up on the ps3 hd ports and apparently they're awful. So the pc ones are ok? (thanks for the input everyone! ) 2 and 3 at least can be a pain to get working properly but they look and sound great if you do. The Room and Homecoming came out on PC also but I never tried them.
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SH2 is supposedly really bad, but then again I only know that from the kind of people who would call anything bad if it came out on PC.
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DeathChicken posted:Man, I liked Murdered: Soul Suspect. It was short and easy, but that's not really a bad thing. They should have removed the combat, fixed checkpointing, added a better map, and actually give the player a reward for acing cases.
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redreader posted:So those are recommended versions over ps2? I read up on the ps3 hd ports and apparently they're awful. So the pc ones are ok? (thanks for the input everyone! ) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488899
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