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Pack Rat was annoying in limited but I can remember times beating it and losing with it. Admittedly few times, but it's not like it's stone unbeatable.
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I hate losing to any B/x devotion deck playing Rabble Red. It's just so annoying. I just hilariously flooded out 2 games in a row in my league last night after winning game 1 easily and in G3 he draws bile blight, drown, bile blight after i've seen 8 lands in about 14 cards. So it basically takes 3 of the perfect hate cards + me flodding out to lose that matchup.
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Aug 26, 2014 14:57
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Pack Rat is it's the definition of a bomb, your opponent either deals with it (immediately) or it wins the game on its own. It's a problem when a card like that comes down on turn 2, especially in a format where most removal costs 3 mana.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:11
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It should also be noted that if you didn't draw whatever removal you had in the first two turns of the game then Pack Rat took over. Similarly, a turn 5+ Pack Rat, whilst less effective on the board, was an equally ridiculous play to face against even if you have your removal in hand. You can list all the removal in the world but the window in which to deal with a Pack Rat was unfairly small.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:12
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an_mutt posted:It should also be noted that if you didn't draw whatever removal you had in the first two turns of the game then Pack Rat took over. Similarly, a turn 5+ Pack Rat, whilst less effective on the board, was an equally ridiculous play to face against even if you have your removal in hand. You can list all the removal in the world but the window in which to deal with a Pack Rat was unfairly small. Pack Rat has won almost as many bad players' games as rev has.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:18
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mcmagic posted:Pack Rat has won almost as many bad players' games as rev has. Turn 2 Pack Rat on the draw into my removal-saturated Jund deck? OK... You have one rat on board, I kill it with Vraska's -3 and you Hero's Downfall my Vraska in response instead of using that mana to make another rat? OK...
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Aug 26, 2014 15:21
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Even if it eats a removal spell T2 it's still great.Entropic posted:You have one rat on board, I kill it with Vraska's -3 and you Hero's Downfall my Vraska in response instead of using that mana to make another rat? OK... Wow that is horrible. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Aug 26, 2014 15:22
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I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:27
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Kabanaw posted:Pack Rat is it's the definition of a bomb, your opponent either deals with it (immediately) or it wins the game on its own. It's a problem when a card like that comes down on turn 2, especially in a format where most removal costs 3 mana. This right here,there are more "powerful" cards and cards that similarly slam the game shut once cast, the difference is when. Turn 2 is way to fast. Entropic posted:I don't know, the thing I love about Pack Rat is that so many people put it in their decks and don't know how to play it properly. Well.......the best thing for one's win percentage is a bad opponent, no matter the format. InterrupterJones posted:I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:30
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InterrupterJones posted:I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists. Pulse is played as a 1-2 of in a deck with less than 8% representation. Detention sphere is played as a 4 of in the premier control deck (unless youre on that planar cleansing plan which gently caress you) in standard
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Aug 26, 2014 15:31
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InterrupterJones posted:I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists. It has seen play in vintage...
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Aug 26, 2014 15:32
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InterrupterJones posted:I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists. It certainly gets out of control in standard in a way that it just doesn't in other formats, but it's seeing some play in Vintage as an aggressive threat that doesn't tie up your mana.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:32
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Tonetta posted:Pulse is played as a 1-2 of in a deck with less than 8% representation. Detention sphere is played as a 4 of in the premier control deck (unless youre on that planar cleansing plan which gently caress you) in standard So is Bile Blight.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:34
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mcmagic posted:So is Bile Blight. Better be careful of that Maelstrom Pulse play though Oh nevermind the part where youre playing the color with easy removal and sac outlets if you just happened to be blown out by this one crazy trick
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Aug 26, 2014 15:37
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Tonetta posted:Pulse is played as a 1-2 of in a deck with less than 8% representation. Detention sphere is played as a 4 of in the premier control deck (unless youre on that planar cleansing plan which gently caress you) in standard Huh, so it is. I guess because it's sorcery speed? Kinda surprising, because I remember it being an auto 4-of in Jund back in the day. Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:42
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As mcmagic pointed out, there is also bile blight. Also wraths are way more common in standard than other formats outside of miracles so theres that too. It's pretty much the stone cold nuts and I am glad I have a foil set.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:47
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InterrupterJones posted:Huh, so it is. I guess because it's sorcery speed? Kinda surprising, because I remember it being an auto 4-of in Jund back in the day. Maybe I'm just old fashioned. I play 1 in Modern Junk. It's kind of clunky....
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Aug 26, 2014 15:49
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Madmarker posted:Well.......the best thing for one's win percentage is a bad opponent, no matter the format.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:50
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mcmagic posted:I play 1 in Modern Junk. It's kind of clunky.... I play 3 in Jund Scapeshift. Abrupt Decay handles most of the short-game stuff, which for most decks is all that needs to happen.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:52
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LordSaturn posted:I play 3 in Jund Scapeshift. Abrupt Decay handles most of the short-game stuff, which for most decks is all that needs to happen. It kills Ajani Jengeant and Batterskull which is good but I can't think of that many other relevant permanents in Modern that decay can't hit and Pulse can.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:56
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mcmagic posted:It kills Ajani Jengeant and Batterskull which is good but I can't think of that many other relevant permanents in Modern that decay can't hit and Pulse can. I have needed to kill at least one Phyrexian Hydra (  ) and also it's good for blowing off Leyline of Sanctity before going for the Scapeshift.Mainly I need to play a fairly long game to get my combo online and I can only run four Abrupt Decay.
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Aug 26, 2014 16:06
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What's that proxy site that lets you do 5 decks at once?
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Aug 26, 2014 16:07
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I drafted pack rat once in RTR draft and promptly lost round 1 to Desecrator Demon.
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Aug 26, 2014 16:41
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Is anyone here going to PAX Prime this weekend? I'd like to buy the Pop Vinyl and get the pin, but I'm very much not going. We can talk about prices and whatnot through PM or whatever.
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Aug 26, 2014 17:28
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Was Voidmage Prodigy the only timeshifted card with alternate art? 
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Aug 26, 2014 17:33
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That was art from a rewards card so it wasn't new really. It was alternate!
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Aug 26, 2014 17:34
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Snacksmaniac posted:That was art from a rewards card so it wasn't new really. It was alternate! If any place, the Gatherer should include all printings of a card. (magiccards does)
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Aug 26, 2014 17:39
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I'm still not entirely sure why Kai was fat or something in the original art.
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Aug 26, 2014 17:40
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Rinkles posted:If any place, the Gatherer should include all printings of a card. (magiccards does) Gatherer does, under the sets tab.
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Aug 26, 2014 17:41
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I just looked at every time shifted card since you posted that. It is a weird corner case as a reprint. Also I was reminded of a few reprints. Time to brew some awful decks.
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Aug 26, 2014 17:43
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Lunsku posted:Gatherer does, under the sets tab. nah, they're often missing promos and other random stuff like that
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Elyv posted:I'm still not entirely sure why Kai was fat or something in the original art. Probably because he was fat in real life? I'm pretty sure that's why the reprint used alt art. Lunsku posted:Gatherer does, under the sets tab. No, it doesn't include most promos, because Wizards. Note that you can't find the alt-art DotP Grave Titan on there, for example.
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From what I understand, in the lore, when you summon a creature you are not actually sucking that critter off it's home plane and enslaving it; you are conjuring a representation of that creature/person from the aether. How does the lore work for planeswaker cards? The 'loyalty' system makes me think you are literally calling in a favor or your plans temporarily align until that planeswalker has drawn too much heat and has to leave or decides you aren't worth working with/for.
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kzin602 posted:From what I understand, in the lore, when you summon a creature you are not actually sucking that critter off it's home plane and enslaving it; you are conjuring a representation of that creature/person from the aether. How does the lore work for planeswaker cards? The 'loyalty' system makes me think you are literally calling in a favor or your plans temporarily align until that planeswalker has drawn too much heat and has to leave or decides you aren't worth working with/for. Yeah, you're just calling in a favor. Doing things that they like makes loyalty go up, doing things that are annoying make loyalty go down. Getting punched one too many times just makes them get the gently caress out.
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Elyv posted:I'm still not entirely sure why Kai was fat or something in the original art. I never saw him actually being fat, just wearing a dumb cowcatcher or something around his waist.
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kzin602 posted:From what I understand, in the lore, when you summon a creature you are not actually sucking that critter off it's home plane and enslaving it; you are conjuring a representation of that creature/person from the aether. How does the lore work for planeswaker cards? The 'loyalty' system makes me think you are literally calling in a favor or your plans temporarily align until that planeswalker has drawn too much heat and has to leave or decides you aren't worth working with/for. Hello mark rosewater
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InterrupterJones posted:I get the impression that Pack Rat dominates a bit more easily in a format like Standard. I doubt it'll get a lot of love in Modern, at least as long as Maelstrom Pulse exists. Pack Rat is a thing now in U/B Faeries. I don't really know why, either. It seems like it has no real synergy with Fae, which is mostly a draw-go control deck since discarding a bunch of cards there seems bad.
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Angry Grimace posted:Pack Rat is a thing now in U/B Faeries. I don't really know why, either. It seems like it has no real synergy with Fae, which is mostly a draw-go control deck since discarding a bunch of cards there seems bad. I was wanting to know more about this but it seems the article in question is premium article at SCG. Who the hell pays for that?
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Angry Grimace posted:Pack Rat is a thing now in U/B Faeries. I don't really know why, either. It seems like it has no real synergy with Fae, which is mostly a draw-go control deck since discarding a bunch of cards there seems bad. Draw-go needs instant-speed mana outlets to make all that EoT noise make sense, and I think Faeries is much more tempo-oriented anyway - not looking to outlast, just to keep them off-balance long enough to get the DPS in. Also Mutavault is a Faerie Rat!
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LordSaturn posted:Draw-go needs instant-speed mana outlets to make all that EoT noise make sense, and I think Faeries is much more tempo-oriented anyway - not looking to outlast, just to keep them off-balance long enough to get the DPS in. It just feels like the Faeries are superfluous in the deck. But I don't know, I haven't actually run that version. Faeries is a Tier 2 archetype that has no real agreement on the core cards beyond "Bitterblossom is good." Versions with Liliana, Pack Rat and Time Warp have all posted fairly similar, Tier 2 results.
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