McFrugal posted:

What? No, the basic upgrades are free and functional in a basic machine. The real, bonus speed/production/efficiency upgrades only work in a hardened machine or better. At which point you get an extra slot.


Then you'd have an extra 3 blank slots, as if it were a Resonant machine already. Wait, did you not know you get an extra slot every time you progress a machine into the next tier? A basic has 3 slots, filled with the basic functions. A hardened has 4 slots, 3 of which have the functions in them already. Reinforced has 5 slots, Resonant has 6. This allows you to use a full upgrade line without removing any of the basic functionality. The only time you'd want to remove basic functionality is when you want something to be both fast AND give more secondary output, which I don't think is a good idea anyway because the speed upgrade reduces secondary output.

To sum up, when you make a basic machine, it works as it did before the upgrade system was added. You can only make use of upgrades if you make a reinforced machine or better, at which point you can easily do so without removing basic functions if that is what you want.

Hagop posted:

Why make them removable upgrades in the first place and not just have 1-4 slots or 0-3 or 3-6 still. The only thing about the new system I don't get is why move the side configuration to the upgrade system and instead of just always having it. Its one of the best things about EE I don't want it dragged into some cost benefit system.

Do I want to go faster, make more stuff, pay to upgrade, or have basic functionality. I don't see positives the fourth part of this choice system adds.

Hagop posted:

Why make them removable upgrades in the first place and not just have 1-4 slots or 0-3 or 3-6 still. The only thing about the new system I don't get is why move the side configuration to the upgrade system and instead of just always having it. Its one of the best things about EE I don't want it dragged into some cost benefit system.

Do I want to go faster, make more stuff, pay to upgrade, or have basic functionality. I don't see positives the 4 part of this choice system adds.

senae posted:

I think that it's important to point out, that what you're suggesting can be summarized as "Players shouldn't be able to remove redstone control from machines to make them better"

Basic machines are identical to the old machines, there's no change. Advanced machines are the same as basic machines, but with an extra upgrade slot (maybe some other things too)? There's no cost for any standard feature, so all you're suggesting is that machines should be less flexible.

Fortis posted:

You CAN make it better without removing redstone control. You just have to think about removing it down the line if you want to make it CRAZY better. If doing so doesn't benefit you, you don't remove it.

Taffer posted:

This is the dumbest argument ever. TE4 machines are potentially the fastest, most compact, and most productive basic processing machines on the scene right now and you're still complaining that they're not good enough? Tradeoffs are made to encourage more interesting gameplay or more complex automation. A magic box that does everything cheaply and easily with no tradeoffs is boring. This is why cofh did the machines the way they did. If you have a big issue with it, take it up with them. (they won't listen though)

Gerdalti posted:

I actually use the redstone control on one machine. Igneous extruder -> cobble generation. I have a level emitter hooked up to it so I stay above 4k cobble in AE. Any other time this is a free upgrade slot and oh my god why are we complaining about base functionality plus a bunch of new cool poo poo?

Hagop posted:

It can work if you're the right kind of sociopathic, charismatic, and abusive. Guilt trip a developmentally delayed womanchild bitch into unconditionally accepting your she-cock. They also tend to really love power play and rough sex and kink poo poo and have fetlife profiles.

Women are stupid loving cunts. Their only purpose is to be used and abused for our pleasure. They should go through constant pain, physical and emotional, because it makes us hard. They should be constantly degraded and humiliated. They should be constantly reminded on how they aren't good enough and they should always strive to be better.Their only purpose is to be the stupid, big tit, big rear end bimbos that they are meant to be. Women are just objects with tits and rear end that we use to relive our anger and sexual frustration on. All cunts should be aware of their place and all cunts should be happy with it. cunts have no rights, cunts have no limits, cunts exist only for our pleasure. I'm a feminist.

Solid Poopsnake posted:

Hagop posted:

If I replied with witty meme, would it get you to spend to prove I am terrible with a mean avatar.

Ixjuvin posted:

I enjoy removing cubes (or "blocks") from the game world and then placing them in a different location. Sometimes I arrange them into simple shapes.

Fortis posted:

I enjoy the blocks and the mining thereof. I also like Robits. Every time I build a Robit, I name him Pip.
Sometimes I make a Traveller's Trunk, and I invariably name it Gary.

Solid Poopsnake posted:

I always want to make robits but I feel too stupid to program them, like with golems or turtles. I'm p. dumb!

McFrugal posted:

I like to pick up dirt blocks and carry them around. Then I just put them down in a random spot. Sometimes I teleport into peoples' bases and put the dirt down somewhere inconvenient on purpose, but they can't prove anything.

Solid Poopsnake posted:

Posting about cubes was better in 1.2.5.

scalded schlong posted:

I like to craft large vases out of clay blocks which become my official "rotten flesh vase". There are usually about 2 inches worth in there by the time I move out. Saves a lot of ME storage space though, which was my previous disposal method.

And yes, I leave them there. In a closet.

Echophonic posted:

i am a enderman. i haev long arms and i pick blocks out of the ground w/ my hands. if you dont repost this comment on 10 other pages i will teleport into your base tonight and make a mess of your walls and floors

Rutibex posted:

According to my calculations this thread averaged 34.6 post per day during the height of 1.2.5 in 2012. Now it averages 27.5

Fortis posted:

Did you ever figure out why you were suddenly unable to carry non-dirt/grass blocks at some point in 2011? Was that you or am I thinking of someone else who had that problem?

Gerdalti posted:

That wiki is for the new version, which is very different. Give this a try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluPGpkLUZ0

Taffer posted:

Anyway lots of goon chat was displaced to PGS threads and IRC channels so that's a silly measurement regardless

JerikTelorian posted:

Thanks, this will help!

Regarding Turtles, can I get them to keep chunks active, or do I need to tail them to ensure they are happily chugging along?

Threep posted:

There's a barely supported now mod called Misc Peripherals that adds a chunk loader upgrade but other than that the turtle could drop spot loaders on its own. The OpenComputers version of turtles (robots) have a chunk loader upgrade as well.

A related question: I've been messing a bunch with turtles and robots. Why do they both seem so intentionally crippled? For example there doesn't seem to be a way for a turtle program to figure out what an item in its inventory is without depositing in it a chest, getting the name, then retrieving it again, and robots don't even have that option. Similarly there's no way for a turtle to figure out what a block is unless they can use it as a peripheral, and robots can't even do that since they can't connect to peripherals.

Am I missing something here? Because it killed my interest in using either when I realised how hacky anything besides just using them for quarries would be.

Threep posted:

Am I missing something here? Because it killed my interest in using either when I realised how hacky anything besides just using them for quarries would be.