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FuzzySkinner posted:Real Talk: Massive layoffs, fire and brimstone, blood in the streets. The biblical end of days. You'll anger the job creators.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Massive layoffs, fire and brimstone, blood in the streets. The biblical end of days. You'll anger the job creators. So...same old, same old?
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Aug 26, 2014 22:57
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I dunno, sounds like we'd be closer to a balanced federal budget.
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Aug 27, 2014 00:32
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I've said it before and I know it's not the most popular idea around here, but I'd happily slash the poo poo out of corporate rates if we got more steeply progressive personal tax rates with more and higher brackets and capital gains classed as regular income.
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Aug 27, 2014 00:45
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Isn't that actually what Scandinavian countries do? Then again, the 1% would throw a massive hissy fit over raising their already low tax rates even a decimal of a percent.
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Aug 27, 2014 00:47
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What is with FOX News and their annoying habit of dropping random clips from movies into their reports? Reporter interviews liberal on the street, cue clip of Jim Carrey saying "OH MY GOD!" from Liar Liar - repeat ad nauseum. Who told them this was funny?
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Aug 27, 2014 01:04
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FuzzySkinner posted:Real Talk: That's not even a question corporations can understand. If you could actually cause corporations to inhabit a persona and ask it questions it would just be like "take. take everything."
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Aug 27, 2014 01:07
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Corporate taxes aren't the only business taxes that companies face in the EU, right? VAT, Britain's NHS charge, probably some other poo poo. Is it really that big of an advantage to move to Ireland, just because they have a lower nominal corporate tax rate?
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Aug 27, 2014 01:07
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Corporate taxes aren't the only business taxes that companies face in the EU, right? VAT, Britain's NHS charge, probably some other poo poo. Is it really that big of an advantage to move to Ireland, just because they have a lower nominal corporate tax rate? Possibly. One of the problems with international law is that there are weird exceptions. In the past your business basically needed to physically be wherever it was doing its thing but now, with the internet being basically everywhere and transactions can happen across the globe in milliseconds, you just...don't. Laws can sometimes have weird exceptions like "you only pay this tax on business you actually do in the country." So you could have, say, the company paying only a singular income tax rate in that country and avoiding the rest of the taxes by only opening physical stores in other countries. You still need a building in New York City to have a store in New York City but the money can be wired to Antarctica for all anybody cares. Somebody, somewhere is probably crunching numbers and deciding "we should move to X country as we would be paying a .75% lower tax rate." It might not sound like much but it can be massive. If memory serves a gently caress load of businesses are headquartered in Delaware because that state in particular has the most favorable business laws. I feel like this is a similar thing. Now that we're becoming increasingly globalized businesses are setting up their HQ in whatever country gives them the best benefits. If anything causes international law to be strengthened it will be this. There is suddenly the potential for businesses to become increasingly untouchable by individual countries. Hell there are businesses that have incomes greater than entire major countries. Either that or we'll get Shadowrun-style companies that are literally their own nations and make their own laws. You know, whichever. At least then I'd be able to get that damned robot arm I've always wanted.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Corporate taxes aren't the only business taxes that companies face in the EU, right? VAT, Britain's NHS charge, probably some other poo poo. Is it really that big of an advantage to move to Ireland, just because they have a lower nominal corporate tax rate? The whole "purpose" of VAT is to have a massive sales tax where tons of businesses get to not pay it. Two regressive taxes that go great together!
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Either that or we'll get Shadowrun-style companies that are literally their own nations and make their own laws. You know, whichever. At least then I'd be able to get that damned robot arm I've always wanted. We already have the start of that. Ever hear of Investor-State Dispute Resolutions? Basically large corporations can take entire nations to court over actions that allegedly cause the company harm, which is almost always lower profits then expected, due to some action the state did, like say improve pass a law improving its regulation. One example is how pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly is suing Canada for $100 million because they invalidated a patent, which I heard they now increased it $500mil
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Communist Zombie posted:We already have the start of that. Ever hear of Investor-State Dispute Resolutions? Basically large corporations can take entire nations to court over actions that allegedly cause the company harm, which is almost always lower profits then expected, due to some action the state did, like say improve pass a law improving its regulation. Sweet merciful gently caress. How long until somebody sues a country over having living wage laws?
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Replacing all the revenue from the Corporate Income Tax is hard to do. It's also one of the most progressive taxes we have, and it hits the top 1% hard. edit: Saez says we could increase the top marginal rate on the top 1% to 67% and raise $4 trillion over 10 years, so that would do it. Grand Theft Autobot fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:edit: Saez says we could increase the top marginal rate on the top 1% to 67% and raise $4 trillion over 10 years, so that would do it. Is this based on the assumption that the incomes of the top 1% remain constant over time or does it account for the fact that if this was instituted, the top 1% would do everything in their power to get themselves compensated in as much capital gains or other income-deductible things as possible.
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Aug 27, 2014 02:23
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Communist Zombie posted:We already have the start of that. Ever hear of Investor-State Dispute Resolutions? Basically large corporations can take entire nations to court over actions that allegedly cause the company harm, which is almost always lower profits then expected, due to some action the state did, like say improve pass a law improving its regulation. Can't the nation basically say "gently caress you sovereign immunity  ?"
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Azuth0667 posted:Can't the nation basically say "gently caress you sovereign immunity Kinda but not really. Its a bit complicated. The Investor-State Dispute Resolutions (ISDR) have power because the state willingly entered into them as part of some trade deal, so you could argue its implicit revoking of sovereign immunity if the actual text doesnt include that. When ISDRs resolve in favor of companies, according to my understanding, it doesnt overrule/change state law the state just has to pay a fine, but often times they can avoid paying the fine if they change the law teh company didnt like. And if they dont pay and dont change the law, assuming their a small enough country, the capital class will probably take retribution on them through various channels. But there are recent and growing attempts to just be able say just that among various countries. Funnily enough though, not agreeing to ISDRs doesnt do anything to a country's economy or foreign investment good or bad, excluding of course the fines and court costs they wont have to pay. Communist Zombie fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Is this based on the assumption that the incomes of the top 1% remain constant over time or does it account for the fact that if this was instituted, the top 1% would do everything in their power to get themselves compensated in as much capital gains or other income-deductible things as possible. It accounts for behavioral changes. Here's the paper.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:15
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You know how everyone seems to say we should lower the corporate tax rate, but close a bunch of loopholes? Why do we need to lower the tax rate? I mean, wouldn't you be losing the money that you would have been saving if you did that? Why don't we just close said loopholes?
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Mr Interweb posted:You know how everyone seems to say we should lower the corporate tax rate, but close a bunch of loopholes? Why do we need to lower the tax rate? I mean, wouldn't you be losing the money that you would have been saving if you did that? Why don't we just close said loopholes? Lower it by 0.001% and close the loopholes 
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Aug 27, 2014 03:35
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Jon Stewart is BITCHSLAPPING Fox News right now. It's a must watch.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Jon Stewart is BITCHSLAPPING Fox News right now. For what?
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Mr Interweb posted:For what? Ferguson, and trying to ignore race, accusing people of being "The real racisrs" among other things.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Jon Stewart is BITCHSLAPPING Fox News right now. It's a must watch. Thank goodness they're back from break. Been waiting for their take on Ferguson.
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Mr Interweb posted:For what? You need a reason?
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beatlegs posted:What is with FOX News and their annoying habit of dropping random clips from movies into their reports? Reporter interviews liberal on the street, cue clip of Jim Carrey saying "OH MY GOD!" from Liar Liar - repeat ad nauseum. Who told them this was funny? Attention-grabbing techniques taken from 90's radio morning zoo soundboards. You remember the 90's, don't you? Back when 'those people sure are different than us white male heterosexuals, HAHAHAH GET IT? OH NO! POLITICAL CORRECTNESS POLICE, am I right?' was all the rage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei916rq9x0M Fox news is now what all those people gravitated towards after comedy underwent its post-post 9-11 enlightenment, because fewer people were finding that kind of bullying-from-privilege funny. Proof: 
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Communist Zombie posted:Kinda but not really. Its a bit complicated. The Investor-State Dispute Resolutions (ISDR) have power because the state willingly entered into them as part of some trade deal, so you could argue its implicit revoking of sovereign immunity if the actual text doesnt include that. When ISDRs resolve in favor of companies, according to my understanding, it doesnt overrule/change state law the state just has to pay a fine, but often times they can avoid paying the fine if they change the law teh company didnt like. And if they dont pay and dont change the law, assuming their a small enough country, the capital class will probably take retribution on them through various channels. IMO Canada is big and powerful enough to just ignore it if they wanted to; I feel everyone is aware of that. But it does make a marvelous political lever. Great cover for any politician that favors the company's view.
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beatlegs posted:What is with FOX News and their annoying habit of dropping random clips from movies into their reports? Reporter interviews liberal on the street, cue clip of Jim Carrey saying "OH MY GOD!" from Liar Liar - repeat ad nauseum. Who told them this was funny? Half of Right Wing media personalities are just glorified morning zoo DJs. Apparently that's the way to get conservatives to watch your poo poo is to play fart sounds and movie clips from a sound board. If their ratings ever really drop look forward to Bill O'Reilly prank calling the DNC.
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Radish posted:Half of Right Wing media personalities are just glorified morning zoo DJs. Apparently that's the way to get conservatives to watch your poo poo is to play fart sounds and movie clips from a sound board. If their ratings ever really drop look forward to Bill O'Reilly prank calling the DNC.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Jon Stewart is BITCHSLAPPING Fox News right now. It's a must watch. drat I can't watch right now, and tonight's guest was my thesis advisor! This is all Obamas fault!
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Today on Dennis Prager's male/female hour: Women are attracted to money and power. If a male lost his money, prestige or power, his wife or girlfriend would leave him, that's just how women work and how dare women suggest otherwise.
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Gross Dude posted:Today on Dennis Prager's male/female hour: Women are attracted to money and power. If a male lost his money, prestige or power, his wife or girlfriend would leave him, that's just how women work and how dare women suggest otherwise. This is true for the type of women who marry Republicans though. I mean they're definitely not marrying them for their personalities or looks.
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XtraSmiley posted:drat I can't watch right now, and tonight's guest was my thesis advisor! This is all Obamas fault! http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off Well good things come to those who wait.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off I know its not hard to do but, its so satisfying to hear someone make Hannity look like a moron.
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SedanChair posted:That's not even a question corporations can understand. If you could actually cause corporations to inhabit a persona and ask it questions it would just be like "take. take everything." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3e0EkvIEM "Mine."
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Sean Hannity just told a caller he has "LDHD." Liberal Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Swing and a miss. He also bragged about how he makes more than the caller because he's worth more then said it was none of the caller's business how much he makes. Classy loving guy.
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I love making mean tweets at Hannity now that I know he reads at least some of them
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So I need help with something....is this guy satire or real? https://twitter.com/CaidenCowger http://caidencowgerprogram.com/ This has to be Satire right? Like some guy is doing this to troll, correct? Like no one is doing an impersonation of Rush Limbaugh without a trace of irony correct?
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FuzzySkinner posted:So I need help with something....is this guy satire or real? He's an honest to god teenaged Rush Limbaugh wannabe, yes. Hopefully he'll grow out of it with time, though.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:He's an honest to god teenaged Rush Limbaugh wannabe, yes. Hopefully he'll grow out of it with time, though. Perhaps not if the money is good enough.
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Spacedad posted:Attention-grabbing techniques taken from 90's radio morning zoo soundboards. This was the true Fox News Comedian 
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