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Hur hur hur gently caress you dictators favourites Bell Pottinger http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/27/hugh-muir-diary-express-migration-watxh-expressquote:• The Pan-Arabia Enquirer, offering “the finest satire from the Middle East”, has no illusions about its material. “It’s made up. All of it,” it says. “Not intended, in any way whatsoever, to be taken as factual.” But these disclaimers don’t always work. Hence the following on its Facebook page on Tuesday: “Yesterday we received a complaint about one of our articles and subsequently removed it … Following on from this, we would like to offer our apologies to PR firm Bell Pottinger for a satirical story that suggested it had won the account to represent the Islamic State. Although the article was entirely in jest, we feel we must apologise for any sullying of the name of a company whose standing in the international community is reflected in a client list that has included the likes of Augusto Pinochet and the government of Bahrain. Oh, and the government of Sri Lanka. And Rolf Harris.” PR shits get out e: 1838 - The People's Charter is drawn up, kicking off the chartists movement and votes for all* in the UK, and the Royal Exchange burns down for the second time. *no girls allowed Rude Dude With Tude fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28967904 posted:Tory MP Carswell switches to UKIP Just...gently caress
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Aug 28, 2014 11:18
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Ddraig posted:There's tons of references to it in various comedy shows. Lee and Herring did something about Savile, as did Mitchell and Webb. Jerry Sadowitz has been saying it for years, naturally. There were several references on Drop the Dead Donkey and then Andy Hamilton on Have I got News for You claimed he didn't know anything about it.
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Aug 28, 2014 11:20
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StoicFnord posted:Just...gently caress On the up side: the Tories are fracturing. Ukip still have an MP, though, which is terrible even if he wasn't elected.
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Aug 28, 2014 11:24
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Jedit posted:On the up side: the Tories are fracturing. He's resigned. Incoming by-election.
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Aug 28, 2014 11:25
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same way they've got all their lords. defections from the tories. and remember they've had 1 MP before in the brief time Bob Spink defected to them before he was forced to be an independant. then decidedly not re-elected. the one and only election for Carswell's constituency doesn't look like he'll be in a job after Party Candidate Votes % ±% Conservative Douglas Carswell 22,867 53.0 +8.6 Labour Ivan Henderson 10,799 25.0 −10.9 Liberal Democrat Michael Green 5,577 12.9 −0.6 BNP Jim Taylor 1,975 4.6 N/A Tendring First Terry Allen 1,078 2.5 N/A Green Chris Southall 535 1.2 N/A Independent Chris Humphrey 292 0.7 N/A Majority 12,068 28.0 Turnout 43,123 64.2 +1.6
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Aug 28, 2014 11:30
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A 10% swing in 2010 is a pretty big indicator that he will be re-elected
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Aug 28, 2014 11:36
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StoicFnord posted:Just...gently caress  :-/
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tdrules posted:A 10% swing in 2010 is a pretty big indicator that he will be re-elected If he personally is popular with the voters there. If he is one of those air dropped MPs then isn't it that the Tories got the swing? But Carl Gardener is saying that Carswell has been advised that his seat is the most vulnerable to a UKIP insurgency.
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Heisenberg1276 posted:Hey everyone, Thanks a lot to everyone who responded to this - and to those who expressed interest in the next phase of experiments (the open liveblog)  My data collection is almost complete and I'll start the analysis soon. I'll post what I find so those of you who participated know what you contributed to. I'll be in touch with those of you who expressed interest in the liveblog when it's time to get started - if anyone else is interested send me a PM or email js3g10@soton.ac.uk.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:In unsurprising but depressing news: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/28/closed-shop-deepy-elitist-britain You've highlighted a root cause for the problems with Westminster and the UK at large as well as a root cause for why it is unlikely to change for any number of years (inaccurate press scapegoating against the vulnerable and propagating the Westminster line) so i'm genuinely curious about why you're voting to stay in this as if Scotland's "input" into the UK is somehow going to change any of what you just complained about.
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Kin posted:You've highlighted a root cause for the problems with Westminster and the UK at large as well as a root cause for why it is unlikely to change for any number of years (inaccurate press scapegoating against the vulnerable and propagating the Westminster line) so i'm genuinely curious about why you're voting to stay in this as if Scotland's "input" into the UK is somehow going to change any of what you just complained about. I've responded in the other thread.
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Mister Adequate posted:It's rather odd how when Pakistani men do something hideous and vile, it's accepted by many as a damning indictment of the entire Pakistani people and culture, but when a bunch of white British men do that same thing, there's no talk of how those people and their culture is responsible. If it makes you feel any better, from here in eastern europe it looks like all men in England are ukip fascists, pedophile rapists and terrible at international tournament football. Hopefully Scotland can escape the imperialist clutches of this awful country
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3peat posted:If it makes you feel any better, from here in eastern europe it looks like all men in England are ukip fascists, pedophile rapists and terrible at international tournament football.  Too true.
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3peat posted:Hopefully Scotland can escape the imperialist clutches of this awful country http://www.historytoday.com/blog/2012/06/scotland-and-british-empire http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6524149.stm http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scotlandshistory/makingindustrialurban/empire/index.asp Scotland was not a victim of imperialism, nor can it give the excuse Scots were just following orders, quite frequently they were the ones giving them. Even aside from active participation by Scottish politicians, business men and military commanders Scotland benefited greatly from the global markets the Pax Britannia gave them unfettered access to. In the white paper Scottish nationalists lay claim to an equal share of the Empire's remaining assets yet, alas, nationalists cannot conceive of taking an equal share of the blame.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I've responded in the other thread. Well, i was hoping you'd post it in here as it opens your viewpoints to debate by other Non-Scots (the majority of this thread) who don't read the Scotland thread for one reason or another. edit: After all, i wonder how many posters in this thread know that there are people in the Scotland thread who think the UK is generally OK at the moment. It's not something i think they'd dare post in this thread because lovely posting hasn't driven all the good effort-posters from this thread yet. Kin fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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People who think the UK is generally OK are wrong. It is a living neoliberal nightmare the likes of which a human has never witnessed, salvageable only by the return of Marx himself.
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KKKlean Energy posted:People who think the UK is generally OK are ... neoliberal For actual contribution, I'd like it if rev would post his response here. I'm interested, but gently caress wading through scotthread. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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KKKlean Energy posted:People who think the UK is generally OK are One of my friends from uni told me yesterday that 'some people see problems everywhere and are cynical just because they think it's cool'. So I guess I'm cool now 
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ReV VAdAUL posted:It is noteworthy how Scots have managed to absolve themselves in the eyes of themselves and the international community from their deep involvement in the operation and expansion of the Empire:
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Aug 28, 2014 18:06
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ReV VAdAUL posted:In the white paper Scottish nationalists lay claim to an equal share of the Empire's remaining assets
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Clearly what Westminster should do is officially incorporate the BOTs into the country. Also has the added effect of removing UN complaints about colonialism (hey, it worked for France and Spain), which would please the Tory right.
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thehustler posted:
You know how this thread often discusses how poo poo Labour are but it might be worth voting for them if only to keep the Tories out? Well pretty soon we'll be voting Boris to keep UKIP out 
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TinTower posted:Clearly what Westminster should do is officially incorporate the BOTs into the country. Also has the added effect of removing UN complaints about colonialism (hey, it worked for France and Spain), which would please the Tory right. It really seems like they should have mps, if I was a tory I'd be all over getting the falklands into parliament so I could just blanket the islands in pictures of thatcher, free seats!
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Answers Me posted:Well pretty soon we'll be voting Boris to keep UKIP out If Boris doesn't win the next Tory leadership contest, I reckon it's 50/50 on him defecting to UKIP and trying to take over from Farage. Then you'll be voting Farage to keep Boris out
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Kin posted:Well, i was hoping you'd post it in here as it opens your viewpoints to debate by other Non-Scots (the majority of this thread) who don't read the Scotland thread for one reason or another. The Scottish Nationalism thread is for Scottish Nationalism, the post you responded to was about the UK as a whole which you tried to crowbar discussion of Scotland into. If people want to discuss Scotland they can read the thread and post there. It is an awful thread with a very unpleasant level of debate which has included accusing everyone who doesn't support Nationalism of being a Tory, using mental disability as a slur, demands that non-Scottish people should not be allowed to discuss the issue (the only thread I've seen that happen in D&D, I can discuss America or the Middle East as a Briton but I'm discouraged to discuss events affecting my own nation) and tone arguments every few pages. I will not be party to that level of hostility being imported into this thread. Heck even in this post you've insinuated claiming the UK is doing fine is a regular thing for No supporters in the thread, rather than something one poster said.
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What's a briton? Is it that thing English people say they are?
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The Scottish Nationalism thread is for Scottish Nationalism, the post you responded to was about the UK as a whole which you tried to crowbar discussion of Scotland into. If people want to discuss Scotland they can read the thread and post there.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The Scottish Nationalism thread is for Scottish Nationalism, the post you responded to was about the UK as a whole which you tried to crowbar discussion of Scotland into. If people want to discuss Scotland they can read the thread and post there. My "crowbar" of a discussion of Scotland into a point on the UK is actually me trying to highlight that you're actively complaining about a thoroughly entrenched UK problem whilst voting against a progressive action that would remove us from it. Either you're not as bothered about the issue as you're claiming or you somehow think the UK can overcome it by itself. Either stance is something that's of interest to this thread because i'm sure the people here would love to understand how you think the UK is going to overcome the "closed shop" and broken news media we've had for decades now. Also your points about the Scotland thread are disingenuous. Cohoolin, for example, has been chastised on numerous occasions by unionists for not being Scottish but he, at least, is participating in fair debate. Pissflaps, on the other hand (and the person in question who has been recently under fire for not being Scottish) barely puts any effort into debating, refuses to cite sources or justify his drive by shitposting, doesn't live in Scotland and can't even vote in the referendum. Yet he has the highest post count and is the clear reason why both this current Scotland thread and previous one were driven to poo poo as those willing to put effort into posting left due to his lovely low effort posts, goalpost moving and 5 page derails. Dare to call him out on any of this nonsense and he cowers behind a post he must have copied into notepad of "Send me a PM if you have an issue with my posting"  . If you think Pissflaps is providing a healthy contribution to the thread then you're sorely mistaken. Just ask Jedit, a no voter who has differing opinions to mine, recently driven from the thread because of Pissflaps ruining it.The UK doing fine is also something said by more than one person. I can think of 3 off of the top of my head and more in the the first thread before they were corrected by everyone that used to post there. And yet still, despite those of us spelling out all of the problems with the UK, the problems continually discussed in this thread that you post in, not you, or anyone else in support of staying in the union has presented a viable plan for addressing these in the Scotland thread. Also while i'm on a roll here, one of your fellow unionists has continually described Gaelic speakers as "moonspeakers" who's language is a waste of funding and the last disability slur i remember is from Hoops deriding this thread as being worthless because half the posters here have mental disabilities (paraphrased). I also note that you still haven't posted your reply to my question in this thread for everyone else to discuss. Kin fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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 So yeah, the toxic Scottish independence poo poo really needs to stay in the Scottish thread.
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Monster Munch, world's greatest invention or Satan's own arse biscuit? Are all Northeners culturally ignorant whippet fanciers or is everyone from London really just dead cool and that? Do you like trains? Why not? Oh you know who probably is a paedo but we cant say for sure? [REDACTED]. So anyway there was this guy in a band who shagged dogs, turns out he was a vet, does anyone know him? People who put milk in tea first are worse than five Hitlers. Or are they in fact better than 6 Jesuses? Jesi? There, that's probably enough to keep ScotNatChat out for a page or so. e: Redacted because you never know who reads this, and I just pulled a name out of thin air. Pork Pie Hat fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Gonna post this here because the Scots thread is no place for fun with noted racist Pissflaps being a big boring racist. http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/289974-indyref-daily-stephen-daisley-on-independence-referendum-campaign/ quote:David Cameron is in Scotland on a surprise visit today, after getting lost and taking a wrong turn at Carlisle. Can't tell if they got hacked or not. Who can tell.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Gonna post this here because the Scots thread is no place for fun with noted racist Pissflaps being a big boring racist. It's a joke blog. They've been doing them for a few weeks.
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Well that last line does sound like Alex Salmond, I'm calling it as genuine.
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twoot posted:It's a joke blog. They've been doing them for a few weeks. I still like it. It is good.
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No quote because I'm phoneposting, but Ukip's current Clacton candidate says he won't stand aside for the Tory defector http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/28/ukip-clacton-carswell-roger-lord And the hilarity continues....
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If you don't have pissflaps on ignore already, I really don't know what to say to you.
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I was watching Channel 4 news earlier and they were interviewing the person on the street ( ) in Clacton about their voting intentions. All the people they showed said they would definitely vote for a UKIP candidate at a by-election but wouldn't be so sure about voting for them at a general election. I'm still pretty new to English politics, and I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind this? Are by-elections just a bit of fun?
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gorki posted:I was watching Channel 4 news earlier and they were interviewing the person on the street ( "I'd vote for them as a protest but Jesus don't give these maniacs any real power" is the only thing I can think of.
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gorki posted:I was watching Channel 4 news earlier and they were interviewing the person on the street ( Because it's unlikely to mess up the actual government they're often an occasion for a protest vote.
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