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Systematic System posted:I dunno about y'all, but I like loving up my job in easily resolvable ways: that's why I only use full thrust combo on DRG, use a flank only rotation on mnk, only use heavy shot on BRD, and don't bother to dps on healers. You forgot about spamming nothing but ruin as a summoner, while running ifrit.
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ElMaligno posted:Shut the gently caress up you fun hating nerd. This. Not in regards to healer deeps, but just in general.
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ElMaligno posted:Shut the gently caress up you fun hating nerd.
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Aug 30, 2014 03:21
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I normally DPS as a healer, but sometimes I'm in a lazy mood and I just wanna follow the tank around and heal him every now and then while not really needing to think or pay attention at all. It's not like it really matters in poo poo like high level roulette, they're normally over pretty quick regardless. Most people don't seem to notice anyway. If someone does care enough to ask me to DPS, I'll go ahead and do it even if I'm not in the mood.
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Aug 30, 2014 03:24
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ElMaligno posted:Shut the gently caress up you fun hating nerd. Verranicus posted:I must be the Worst Healer because I never do more than heal when I queue as WHM or SCH. Volt Catfish posted:Listen man I queued as a healer not as a DPS :rolleyes: kirbysuperstar posted:This. Not in regards to healer deeps, but just in general. Basically: ilifinicus posted:Get the gently caress out of my game you shitlord baddie.
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Aug 30, 2014 03:52
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Just got 4 commendations in ST as bard for doing nothing particularly noteworthy. 
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Aug 30, 2014 03:54
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whiiiiiiine whine whine biiiiiiiitch bitch bitchPainful Dart Bomb posted:Just got 4 commendations in ST as bard for doing nothing particularly noteworthy. Haha, yeah. You'd be surprised what whipping out animal puns in Halatali Hardmode and taking over door duty in the Lost City will do to your commendation count.
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Aug 30, 2014 04:06
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I would like to issue an apologies, as I find DPSing as a healer to be fun and essential. However I will not apologize to Belzac because he is a fun hating nerd 
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Aug 30, 2014 04:31
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 Hell ya, now I am Aang.
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E: somehow posted in the wrong thread nothing to see here
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Totally random but do DPS meters exist? How can you tell if a DPS is pulling their weight in a raid?
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Aug 30, 2014 06:22
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rawrr posted:Totally random but do DPS meters exist? How can you tell if a DPS is pulling their weight in a raid? The two most popular are FFXIV-APP and Advanced Combat Tracker. Back when I first started looking into using them, ACT was more accurate but slightly harder to set up and use, while FFXIV-APP was super simple but not as accurate (to the tune of 30-50 dps compared to a lot of other people's parses in my raid). I would assume that FFXIV-APP has gotten better since then, and if you're just looking to get some baseline numbers for yourself and try out different rotations or whatever, it's definitely more than capable. edit: also just so you're aware they're technically against Square's TOS so don't go posting logs in game or talking about it in /shout or anything stupid.
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Aug 30, 2014 06:54
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rawrr posted:Totally random but do DPS meters exist? How can you tell if a DPS is pulling their weight in a raid? They totally do not exist and there is no third party program that will link into the game to read the combat log to pull who is doing what.
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Aug 30, 2014 06:54
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I really want retainers to be able to go on their own raids with other retainers that you can watch them do.
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Aug 30, 2014 06:56
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GEMorris posted:You forgot about spamming nothing but ruin as a summoner, while running ifrit. Ifrit is actually good now.
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Aug 30, 2014 07:34
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Dalamud red is the best chocobo color and your opinion is poo poo if you disagree. 
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Chyea posted:
Congratulations! Is that MS Paint image with my fellow DnT members done yet?
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ElMaligno posted:I would like to issue an apologies, as I find DPSing as a healer to be fun and essential. SCH is boring if I'm not DPSing. WHM is a bit more hands on, but once the fairy is out and I have confirmed people aren't standing in the stuff its time to shadow flare, dot, and ruin the poo poo out of everything. Also completely stopped using Eos and only use Selene because the rate of death dealing increases exponentially without really trading off that much healing and its awesome. I don't really mind if other healers don't DPS unless the fight is entering a DPS check phase, in which case get yo stance on because Stone II / Holy ain't no little bitch spells.
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Aug 30, 2014 09:03
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Fister Roboto posted:Ifrit is actually good now. Is he? I only use him on trash mobs, since I'm tired of seeing garuda all the time. I don't remember seeing any "buff" to ifrit however. I still use him anyway though. He's my fav.
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Ifrit benefits from both dragon kick and storm's eye as well as getting buffs in the last major patch, which can edge out over Garuda with contagion but you will need MP like a drat fix, which is unfortunate because the fight with the greatest parse-able benefit would be T8.
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Verranicus posted:I must be the Worst Healer because I never do more than heal when I queue as WHM or SCH. As a WHM, AND a tank, I loving hate you. Things go so much loving faster when the healer stops being lazy. You do not need more than regen, holy, medica 2 and stone 2 when healing a 4-man, unless you're doing huge pulls. Then you pop out of clerics stance after a few holies and top off the tank with cure 2. Pomp fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Aug 30, 2014 10:49
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Aurora posted:I really want retainers to be able to go on their own raids with other retainers that you can watch them do. ..I would watch this. Healer talk: As a baby whm I'll dps if my tank/group isn't complete morons and I feel safe leaving them alone for a few globals. I like it when dungeons move fast because I can dps. But if I'm in a group of idiots, I probably won't do much more than toss virus on the boss at the beginning of fights.
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Pomp posted:As a WHM, AND a tank, I loving hate you. Things go so much loving faster when the healer stops being lazy. You do not need more than regen, holy, medica 2 and stone 2 when healing a 4-man, unless you're doing huge pulls. Then you pop out of clerics stance after a few holies and top off the tank with cure 2. Hate me all you like. I didn't queue as DPS. 
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I just have my own simple solution to make sure the healer acts exactly like I want them to in 4-mans, and that's by being the healer myself. 
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As long as the party remains alive I don't care what the gently caress the healer does because I'm too busy stabbing dudes.
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It's a can of worms either way and it's a lot easier to mock at Illidan Stormrage, the dragoon that fell off on Titan, so I'll do that instead
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I bet these healers don't even fracture, thus losing upwards of 3 seconds of time per pull. This is unacceptable
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Rexicon1 posted:I bet these healers don't even fracture, thus losing upwards of 3 seconds of time per pull. This is unacceptable I'm not sure I follow. Do you happen to have a graph or pie chart?
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I completely understand why White Mages might level up not knowing when and how to DPS - you don't get Stoneskin until 32/34, and Regen is 35. Before then, you actually have to manually cast everything, and even after that you can't really go on autopilot. Add in Holy being super late at 45, and it's easy to see how the habit never really formed. Scholar, though? You can't get to be a Scholar without burning Arcanist's DPS rotation into your head for 29 levels, and you also can't unlock Scholar without getting Cleric Stance and Aero. By the time you can queue for an instance as Scholar, you have every relevant rotational ability & a fairy that lets you use them. If you never start experimenting, I don't know how you got through ACN to begin with.
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There are also a lot of players I've seen who will FLIP OUT at a WHM or Scholar if they'e not constantly at 100% life, even in the middle of a loving fight against trash mobs. Like i've seen some pretty lovely tanks who start panicking when they're sitting in the 85-90 range for more than 5 seconds.
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Niton posted:I completely understand why White Mages might level up not knowing when and how to DPS - you don't get Stoneskin until 32/34, and Regen is 35. Before then, you actually have to manually cast everything, and even after that you can't really go on autopilot. Add in Holy being super late at 45, and it's easy to see how the habit never really formed. for added hilarity, level SCH after WHM and put Stoneskin on people in level 15 dungeons.
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Rei_ posted:There are also a lot of players I've seen who will FLIP OUT at a WHM or Scholar if they'e not constantly at 100% life, even in the middle of a loving fight against trash mobs. Like i've seen some pretty lovely tanks who start panicking when they're sitting in the 85-90 range for more than 5 seconds. People flip out the second a healer isn't a shield against all types of damage ever. I've had people get annoyed with me because I slotted Aero and Cleric Stance before Protect and Stoneskin on my SCH. Pretty sure you don't need those particular safety blankets in Copperbell Story, guys.
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Rei_ posted:There are also a lot of players I've seen who will FLIP OUT at a WHM or Scholar if they'e not constantly at 100% life, even in the middle of a loving fight against trash mobs. Like i've seen some pretty lovely tanks who start panicking when they're sitting in the 85-90 range for more than 5 seconds. I always get sad when healers heal me when I'm at ninety percent health. I just want a reason to press buttons other than 1-2-3 in a dungeon. Let me use my cooldows, please. 
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Tank while taking no actions besides flash and defensive cooldowns. Say "I didn't queue as dps" whenever anyone mentions what you're doing. Link to your twitch stream where you murder puppies live. You'll still get 3 commendations.
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Robo Reagan posted:for added hilarity, level SCH after WHM and put Stoneskin on people in level 15 dungeons. Even better, the other day I tanked Haukke and had a CNJ who was quite upset that the THM could apply Stoneskin and they couldn't.
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Rei_ posted:There are also a lot of players I've seen who will FLIP OUT at a WHM or Scholar if they'e not constantly at 100% life, even in the middle of a loving fight against trash mobs. Like i've seen some pretty lovely tanks who start panicking when they're sitting in the 85-90 range for more than 5 seconds. Yeah, it's true. Often healers get bitched at no matter what they do, perceived or real, because their role is so prominent. I agree that White Mages and Scholars can and should learn to DPS when appropriate, but can we stop flipping out over the one, true way to play? If someone in your static isn't pulling their weight in coil 2 or someone is so bad they caused a wipe, kindly get on their case. There's even room for talking about optimal vs sub-optimal play (for those times when it actually makes a difference), but let's all drop the holier-than-thou attitude in my catgirl simulator chat, thanks.
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So I'm tanking for the first time (Warrior with 22 in Gladiator) and still pretty unsure what my responsibilities and expectations of others should be (outside of the obvious aggro dudes and don't die). If I'm frequently dropping below a third health against trash should I be giving my healer a hard time? As a rule of thumb should it be my responsibility or the DPSs' to kill adds? In the latter case I've had a couple of runs go tits-up now because we've been flooded with adds and I didn't want to burn through my entire TP bar trying to kill them by myself (obviously I've taken aggro but otherwise stuck to the main boss), is that just bad play on the DPSs part or what?
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Are you dying? If not, then don't worry about it. If your healer is having trouble keeping you up even with dedicated healing, you might need better gear.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Are you dying? If not, then don't worry about it. If your healer is having trouble keeping you up even with dedicated healing, you might need better gear. My gear is usually in pretty good shape, it just gets slightly uncomfortable seeing my HP get on the wrong side of 50%, speaking as someone who usually plays healer. But yeah I guess as I'm not dropping dead from neglect I'll try and stay a bit chiller about it.
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MohShuvuu posted:Congratulations! Is that MS Paint image with my fellow DnT members done yet?  It's currently what you would call a work in progress.
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