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I think the game looks like it could be a lot of fun. But wow, there's so much internet backlash against the Saints now. Seems like the series jumped the shark for all the gangsta genre fans.
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Tezzeract posted:I think the game looks like it could be a lot of fun. But wow, there's so much internet backlash against the Saints now. Seems like the series jumped the shark for all the gangsta genre fans. Well, it does kinda makes sense. Saint's Row 1-3 were, while increasingly crazy, all basically crime simulator games. Saint's Row IV went completely off the rails and Gat out of Hell looks like it's doubling down on that. If you liked Saint's Row for the "Grand Theft Auto but with a sense of fun" aspect, it's probably disheartening to see it going, literally, to hell. That said, I liked Saint's Row IV's 'goofy-rear end puckish rogues fighting space villains" tone more than I liked SR2 or 3's so I can't really complain about that, but I can see where they're coming from. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Aug 31, 2014 15:48
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Saints Row 2 is still my favourite and I do wish they'd do another one like that. I liked 3 and 4, but I've only completed each of them once, whereas SR2 is a game I'll just go back to and play through again and again. The main difference I feel isn't even the shift from the GTA style gangs and crime to the bigger, more epic plot, but just the fact that 3 and 4 are more "cinematic". A lot of what's great about them loses its impact once you've already seen it, whereas SR2 has a stronger core. It's just more fun to do again. So whether they go for a more down-to-Earth sandbox crime game or a more action movie style thing, what I want is a return to the repeatability of the SR2 gameplay, less reliant on set-pieces.
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Aug 31, 2014 17:45
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Yeah, generally it seems that people who came into the franchise with SR2 are the ones who find the shift a bit unsettling if not downright stupid. On the other hand a lot of people that came into the series with 3 find the second one way too grimdark (purely anecdotal but not a single one of my friends who are 'new' to the Saints like SR2 Boss due to how sadistic they seem in cutscenes...). Me, I loving love the way the series is going but my heart will always have a soft spot for the row itself.
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Aug 31, 2014 17:59
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poptart_fairy posted:Yeah, generally it seems that people who came into the franchise with SR2 are the ones who find the shift a bit unsettling if not downright stupid. On the other hand a lot of people that came into the series with 3 find the second one way too grimdark (purely anecdotal but not a single one of my friends who are 'new' to the Saints like SR2 Boss due to how sadistic they seem in cutscenes...). I got into it with 2, and while I would absolutely love it if they kept expanding on that, at the same time I realize that a giant sandbox with the crazy amount of detail 2 required takes an insane amount of work, and Volition's been hounded by layoffs and publisher changes, so I can't blame them one bit for focusing on the fun. Maybe one day when they're rolling in cash we'll get a more grounded and detailed open world game, but you still gotta pay the bills, and dildo bats sell copies.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:02
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I think there is always the option for a Saints Row 1 remake/reboot/origin story type deal if they wanted to go back to the older style of games... but I think trying to predict where the series is going based off an expansion DLC of Saints Row IV isn't really fair, since it is an expansion of Saints Row IV after all - what did you expect it to be like? Personally I don't care what they do, as long as it is ridiculous, fun and co-op.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:07
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There are bits of SR2 I really wish they would bring back (gift shops and such), but they could probably do away with having every mission spot available in free roam. It's great that ti was available, but dear god there was absolutely nothing to do in most of them, except maybe a tag or a CD in like 95% of the non-shop interiors.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:08
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My first was SR2... but it was on PC, and long before I'd heard of Gentlemen of the Row, so my first impressions were not very good. Unbelievably awful port aside, I remember SR2 for its ridiculousness: hacking at yakuza on motorbikes with a katana; that shittastic boss fight with Veteran Child; invading a military base and stealing a container of radioactive waste simply to spike a dude's tattoo ink with it... all against a sweary backdrop that took itself far too seriously for what was actually happening. I will give SR2 major props for having such a massive amount of space to gently caress around in, and things to do scattered around here and there. SR3 was a comfortable size for me, and SR4's cityscape felt kind of trivialized by the super-movement mechanics (which was fine, all things considered), but SR2 was really nice if you wanted to find a highway and cruise. And if it didn't crash to desktop and catch fire. Edit: Yeah! There was something really bizarrely fun about the gift shops. I dunno what it was. Maybe running around, chasing Yaks with a foam-rubber stalagmite on your head.
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Bieeardo posted:all against a sweary backdrop that took itself far too seriously for what was actually happening. Videogames can't take anything too seriously because they're not capable of thought.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:33
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poptart_fairy posted:Yeah, generally it seems that people who came into the franchise with SR2 are the ones who find the shift a bit unsettling if not downright stupid. Came into the franchise with 2, didn't understand the backlash towards 3 and was happier than a pig in poo poo playing 4. Basically what I'm saying is I love everything Saints. Or maybe Volition, really enjoyed Red Faction: Guerrilla. I recommend that if you're impatiently waiting for Gat.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:35
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Came into the franchise with 2, didn't understand the backlash towards 3 and was happier than a pig in poo poo playing 4. SR5: Pierce and the Boss wait impatiently next to a tree by the road. To be followed by the epic conclusion, SR6: My Dinner With Shaundi.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:41
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I started with 3 when it was free on Xbox 360 and got IV on sale, played 2 inbetween 3 and IV 'cause people told me to. 2 had the best story but 3 better controls and gameplay. 3 really felt like the game I wanted after San Andreas that GTAIV wasn't. I didn't dislike SRIV but I found myself not caring as much about it (which I'll partly blame on my immersion being ruined by playing the same Boss but the voice I used in 2 and 3 no longer existing). I liked not superpowers better than superpowers, but it's not like I'm not going to get Gat Out Of Hell day one.
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Aug 31, 2014 18:42
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So Gat out of the Hell isn't just a redone Steelport after all. I'm more impressed, haha. Also I came in with Saints Row 1 and have used the same voice across all 4 game. OG, bitches. 
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Tezzeract posted:I think the game looks like it could be a lot of fun. But wow, there's so much internet backlash against the Saints now. Seems like the series jumped the shark for all the gangsta genre fans. My introduction was SR2, and like I always say, SR2 and SR3+ are all great games, but for slightly different reasons. None's really better than the other and playing either one I'm missing things the other one did. And the gangsta crowd wasn't satisfied with SR2 either if the fanfic is any indication. e: a series can do a drat sight worse than have each iteration feature familiar and unique elements side by side. Final Fantasy is making bank on that principle. Or used to. In my head it's still the 90s. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Aug 31, 2014 21:10
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Tezzeract posted:I think the game looks like it could be a lot of fun. But wow, there's so much internet backlash against the Saints now. Seems like the series jumped the shark for all the gangsta genre fans. This is what both 3 and IV were about, from a story perspective, by the way. 3 sort of asked who the Saints really were, let players try to answer on their own. That's why you could choose Gritty Revenge like most video games, or the Saints IV sort of silly, self aware sentimentality. IV is all about the backlash from that decision about the direction of the series.
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Aug 31, 2014 21:20
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Rookersh posted:Troy? The 9th Circle of Hell is where all the traitors go. Troy is just sharing a home with Judas, Brutus, and Cassius.
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Aug 31, 2014 21:30
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Saints Row 5: we finally do something about Dex bring it full circle, reboot the series back in Stilwater. the last lines of the game is Dex, whispering "it's not ... THE Los Carnales"
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Young Freud posted:The 9th Circle of Hell is where all the traitors go. Troy is just sharing a home with Judas, Brutus, and Cassius. Even though Diomedes himself spent his last days as a king in lower Italy and made up with Aeneas 
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Aug 31, 2014 21:38
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Flying looks a little janky to me, like the jets but even worse. I was hoping for some sort of "Press X to flap wings" and actually get more height and speed, but nope.
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Aug 31, 2014 22:44
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It's basically gliding but you have midair jumps that let you go higher and they recharge off wall jumps. It's a fun mechanic I think and the map is way more vertical map than even 4. Since it's hell the map is all torn apart and there's more of a necessity to use all the crazy movements powers. I was talking with idol on the pax floor and he said there's a ton more hidden little things and stuff around the map that can only be gotten to by glides and jumps. It definitely seems like they are improving on all the complaints from 4.
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I'm hoping you can pull off close-ground moves like flying low and clotheslining dudes with your wings or maybe even cutting them in half.
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Sep 1, 2014 00:12
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I'm assuming she probably has the same but it'd be cool if Kinzie's wings were different for whatever reason.
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Sep 1, 2014 00:14
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The demos only got Gat running around.
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Mokinokaro posted:I'm assuming she probably has the same but it'd be cool if Kinzie's wings were different for whatever reason. I'm hoping Kinzie has different melee combos too. Knives is kinda Gat's thing I guess.
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So the recliner of death is Seven-Deadly-Sin-related. Gluttony's weapon should involve wearing a hot dog or beer bottle mascot outfit.
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Jet Jaguar posted:So the recliner of death is Seven-Deadly-Sin-related. Gluttony's weapon should involve wearing a hot dog or beer bottle mascot outfit. And it should shoot fast food at the enemy in some way. Maybe a grease gun/flamethrower?
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Mokinokaro posted:I'm assuming she probably has the same but it'd be cool if Kinzie's wings were different for whatever reason. Listen, animating females are too expensive to justify this.
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Wait this isn't Ubisoft
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Mokinokaro posted:I'm assuming she probably has the same but it'd be cool if Kinzie's wings were different for whatever reason. I was thinking leather batwings would be more her style.
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Krowley posted:I'm hoping Kinzie has different melee combos too. Knives is kinda Gat's thing I guess. Shouldn't be too hard to think of something for her 
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Jet Jaguar posted:So the recliner of death is Seven-Deadly-Sin-related. Gluttony's weapon should involve wearing a hot dog or beer bottle mascot outfit. Mokinokaro posted:And it should shoot fast food at the enemy in some way. Maybe a grease gun/flamethrower? I agree, but maybe make it like the Inflato-ray and it distorts the enemy's torso, rather than just their head. OK, so there's Sloth - The confirmed machine gun recliner Gluttony - Which will hopefully be food related That leaves, Greed (Probably some variation of the Bling Shotgun from 3), Wrath, Envy, Lust, and Pride. Pride should be a Jane Austen summon. Just have her come out and do some room clearing machine gun/grenade combo. Lust, I would love to see as sort of an evolution of the dubstep gun. Go nuts with it, have it be the same basic effect, except instead of everyone bobbing to the beat, the actions are a bit more, "adult". I would however be disappointed if it's just a reskin of the rectifier.
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Sep 1, 2014 01:22
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I do like how Jezebel starts out wearing purple. Just in case it wasn't obvious enough she was going to be an ally/Saint by the end of this. Convert everyone! 
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Nah. Obviously greed is going to be the new dubstep gun. It's a dubstep golden fiddle.
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Rookersh posted:Troy? 
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achillesforever6 posted:It should be if you help them out, they get restored to their original form and can be recruited When did that person die anyway?
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mastajake posted:When did that person die anyway? Some time around the annihilation of planet Earth, I would assume.
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Ah I had forgotten that development.
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Watched the Warriors tonight and now I really want to play some loving Saint's Row.
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If by some miracle, they managed to get the rights to "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" and made it into a Dubstep Gun track, they would get, just, all the money ever.
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heenato posted:Nah. Obviously greed is going to be the new dubstep gun. THis needs to happen.
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Cat Army 