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OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]

Applebees posted:

Does anyone know who is producing the animated trailers for Wizards? I really liked the last few, and the Khans trailer is even more ambitious. It looked like fully rendered 3D animation when Sarkhan was walking.

This could be basically any Production company at this point but Eyestorm Productions seems like they're one of the people who have worked on some in the past I guess.

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Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Gensuki posted:

I want to say the Lithomancer has been named... I wonder what color a Lithomancer would be. Koth was a Red geomancer, but geomancy has been in green in the past as well. If you stretch lithomancy to also mean metals, it might even be blue, but that's kind of reaching.

The Lithomancer is a probably a Kor named Nahiri. Or at least, a Planeswalker of that name/description sealed Ob Nixilis on Zendikar.

She'd probably be at least part white, then.

Symphonie
Dec 24, 2010

lol just flamestrike it idk
I want to Shrapnel Blast the Nexus.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/84

This article goes to pretty good length to say that Ugin uses colorless magic (CTRL-F for his name). Whether that means he himself is colorless is I guess still debatable, but there you go.

Peepers
Mar 11, 2005

Well, I'm a ghost. I scare people. It's all very important, I assure you.


I missed a whole lot of magic until RTR block so all I know is generally what they've talked about leading up to to this block, i.e. dragons are all dead on Tarkir, Sarkhan is a crazy dragon dude with someone whispering sweet nothings in his ear, etc. Who is Ugin, where does Sorin come into this, how are the Eldrazi possibly involved? Is there some summary I can read somewhere?

edit: ^^^ well that explains a lot actually.

Peepers fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 31, 2014

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Gensuki posted:

I think him being colorless is also how/why he was able to contain the colorless eldrazi/ Emrakul who is immune to colored spells. Lithomancer for the rocks/hedrons, Sorin because a 20,000 year old Vampire PLaneswalker is useful to have around I guess, Ugin because he understands No-color color-identity.

That's my thought on it anyway.

Incidentally, is that number right? IS sorin 20,000 years old? Because I remember that being how old Bolas was.

The three were Sorin for his life/energy draining magic to drain the Eldrazi's strength, the Lithomancer to force them into physical forms (their natural forms are not physical), and Ugin to combat their colorless magic.

Also it seems pretty clear that the story of Tarkir is Sarkhan goes home to recuperate after breaking his brain, Sorin comes looking for Ugin to reseal the Eldrazi, finds he is dead, finds Sarkhan, helps fix his brain, and then the two of them have to go back in time to change fate so Ugin doesn't die. Sarkhan takes this opportunity to bring back all of the dragons because

Chorocojo
Sep 25, 2005

Legendary Enchantment Creature -- Bird God

Gensuki posted:

Incidentally, is that number right? IS sorin 20,000 years old? Because I remember that being how old Bolas was.

With the exception of Bolas, Sorin is older than all of the other planeswalkers with cards. Combined.

He's old enough that he was the second Vampire on Innistrad and became powerful enough to create Avacyn, etc long enough ago that she's kind of the cornerstone of human culture on the plane.

"Many who cross Sorin's path come down with a sudden and fatal case of being-in-the-way-of-a-millennia-old-vampire."

Sorin is loving ancient.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Symphonie posted:

I want to Shrapnel Blast the Nexus.

This. This. This. A million times this. RUG/Temur artifacts with Shrapnel Blast and Reclamation Sage, Scuttling Doom Engine, Ensoul Artifact. This will rule.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
In the Distant Past, Sorin, Ugin, and The Lithomancer used Zendikar to trap the Eldrazi, with a seal that required 3 planeswalkers and Ugin's mysterious Ghostfire to break. Jace, Chandra, and Sarkahn accidentally broke this seal when Chandra used the Ghostfire while they were all three in front of the seal. Whoops!

Y'see, the Distant Past was pre-Mending, so Planeswalkers were godlike beings o incredible power. Now, due to the events of Time Spiral, they're just exceptionally powerful world-hoppin' wizards, but nowhere near as mighty. The Eldrazi have not weakened. And as natives of the aether between worlds, they can planeswalk. This is bad for people who like to not be dead.

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.
Brief recap:

Nicol Bolas was a pre-Mending villain. An Elder Dragon (not the eldest, a little interestingly), and a planeswalker. Some time in one of the TSP books he showed up muttering something about killing Ugin the Spirit Dragon to tie into Ghostfire, then threw another planeswalker into the rift tied to his Spark so he didn't have to sacrifice himself.

Fast forward to Shards of Alara. Nicol Bolas is overlapping all the shattered parts of Alara to take the power of the mana nexus which will form in the middle of the planes. He hopes this will restore his Spark to pre-Mending levels of power, because mortality and forgetting any part of the last twenty+ millennia he's lived don't appeal to him. Stopping being a god is kind of painful. As a big, bad, intelligent dragon he manages to recruit the fanatic dragon devotee, Sarkhan, who has been hanging out on the Alaran mini-plane of Jund. Elspeth and some helpers defeat Sarkhan's invading force, while Ajani turns back Bolas.

Zendikar block. Long ago, before the Mending, the monstrous Eldrazi beings were imprisoned on the plane of Zendikar by three planeswalkers: the vampire Sorin Markov (now the second oldest character in Magic, after Bolas), the unknown being called the Lithomancer for his/her/its specialisation in magic, and the Spirit Dragon Ugin. Nicol Bolas sends Sarkhan to watch over the Eye of Ugin, where the Eldrazi can be freed, then manipulates him, Jace, and Chandra into breaking the imprisoning spells. Between Bolas being a dick and not what Sarkhan wants out of a draconic overlord, and the crazy magic of the hedrons, Sarkhan goes batshit insane. Sorin makes an emergency trip to Zendikar to try to close the prison wards again, but Nissa fucks up and thwarts him. The beings of the blind Aether between worlds, who feed on all life and matter, are unleashed to devour Zendikar and all other planes in the Multiverse.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

Mr. Peepers posted:

I missed a whole lot of magic until RTR block so all I know is generally what they've talked about leading up to to this block, i.e. dragons are all dead on Tarkir, Sarkhan is a crazy dragon dude with someone whispering sweet nothings in his ear, etc. Who is Ugin, where does Sorin come into this, how are the Eldrazi possibly involved? Is there some summary I can read somewhere?

A long time ago:
Sorin the vampire, Ugin the spirit dragon, and [currently unnamed] lithomancer trap and seal the Eldrazi on the plane of Zendikar.

A thousand years ago:
Nicol Bolas shanks Ugin on Tarkir (I think it's unclear whether or not Tarkir is Ugin's home plane). This possibly becomes the catalyst that leads to the extinction of all dragons on Tarkir.

A little while ago:
Sarkhan Vol, native of Tarkir, learns to planeswalk and goes around trying to find powerful dragons, and becomes enthralled to Bolas cause he seems like a p powerful dragon.

A few years ago:
Bolas sends Sarkhan off on an errand to guard the Eldrazi seal on Zendikar, who starts going crazy as he questions whether dedicating himself to Bolas was the right choice. Some dumbasses break the Eldrazi seal and Sorin be like "lol now you've done it"

Present time:
Sorin is actually tsundere and wants to help fix Zendikar and discovers the remains of Ugin on Tarkir. Sarkhan's headvoice also leads him to the remains of Ugin, and probably goes on rad time adventures as soon as he destroys Ugin's bones like it says on the card.

dragon enthusiast fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Aug 31, 2014

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Sleep of Bronze posted:

Brief recap:

Nicol Bolas was a pre-Mending villain. An Elder Dragon (not the eldest, a little interestingly), and a planeswalker. Some time in one of the TSP books he showed up muttering something about killing Ugin the Spirit Dragon to tie into Ghostfire, then threw another planeswalker into the rift tied to his Spark so he didn't have to sacrifice himself.

Fast forward to Shards of Alara. Nicol Bolas is overlapping all the shattered parts of Alara to take the power of the mana nexus which will form in the middle of the planes. He hopes this will restore his Spark to pre-Mending levels of power, because mortality and forgetting any part of the last twenty+ millennia he's lived don't appeal to him. Stopping being a god is kind of painful. As a big, bad, intelligent dragon he manages to recruit the fanatic dragon devotee, Sarkhan, who has been hanging out on the Alaran mini-plane of Jund. Elspeth and some helpers defeat Sarkhan's invading force, while Ajani turns back Bolas.

Zendikar block. Long ago, before the Mending, the monstrous Eldrazi beings were imprisoned on the plane of Zendikar by three planeswalkers: the vampire Sorin Markov (now the second oldest character in Magic, after Bolas), the unknown being called the Lithomancer for his/her/its specialisation in magic, and the Spirit Dragon Ugin. Nicol Bolas sends Sarkhan to watch over the Eye of Ugin, where the Eldrazi can be freed, then manipulates him, Jace, and Chandra into breaking the imprisoning spells. Between Bolas being a dick and not what Sarkhan wants out of a draconic overlord, and the crazy magic of the hedrons, Sarkhan goes batshit insane. Sorin makes an emergency trip to Zendikar to try to close the prison wards again, but Nissa fucks up and thwarts him. The beings of the blind Aether between worlds, who feed on all life and matter, are unleashed to devour Zendikar and all other planes in the Multiverse.

I want to see the other Elder Dragons make a comeback.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
I forgot that while Jace + Chandra were the ones who freed the eldrazi, Nissa was the one who thought (literally) destroying the sealing hedrons/wards would be enough to convince the eldrazi to gently caress off and away back to the blind eternities and leave Zendikar alone.

Like they'd rather go exploring for food/mana before just eating/destroying everything around them first.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Chorocojo posted:

With the exception of Bolas, Sorin is older than all of the other planeswalkers with cards. Combined.

So how old is Karn?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Rinkles posted:

So how old is Karn?

I think it might be Karn< Urza< Bolas? I mean, Urza is dead and buried, but he made Karn.

Niton
Oct 21, 2010

Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

Rinkles posted:

So how old is Karn?

Karn's about 1300 years old now, which would place him in the same age bracket as Teferi by birth year (if he's still alive, anyways)

By comparison, Sorin is about 6000 years old, and Nicol Bolas is ~24000.

e: Urza's only 4700 years old, too - a relative baby compared to Sorin and especially Bolas.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Rinkles posted:

So how old is Karn?

Not all that old, right? He was created by Urza at some point during the whole Weatherlight thing. I guess I don't really know how long ago that was in terms of the story.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Sep 1, 2014

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
But does account for all the time walking he did?

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

Gensuki posted:

Cool, but kinda bad for a mythic rare? Unless secretly the Sultai thing is taking extra turns, this seems like a worse version of Time warp, or a worse version of Stranglehold... How many extra turn effects would they have in one block? Have there even ever been 3?

I guess you could hold it up as the latter, then sac it to get the former?
Elspeth is 6 mana? That'll never see play outside edh. TL:DR bad at card evaluation

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



The real question is, why doesn't Sorin just loving murder every other planeswalker he comes into contact with, seeing as they all generally gently caress things up, with maybe the exception of Elspeth and Ajani?

Foreskin Problems
Nov 4, 2012

It's doing fine, actually.
If I control Lens of Clarity and cast Brainstorm, can I look at the fourth card of my library?

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

alphabrawl posted:

If I control Lens of Clarity and cast Brainstorm, can I look at the fourth card of my library?

My guess is that you can't because there isn't time to do anything in between drawing the three cards and putting two back.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
EDIT: Nevermind, thinking of that one banned card...

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

The real question is, why doesn't Sorin just loving murder every other planeswalker he comes into contact with, seeing as they all generally gently caress things up, with maybe the exception of Elspeth and Ajani?

He hasn't run into any of the stupid ones except Nissa, and she was possibly the first idiot planeswalker he met.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




alphabrawl posted:

If I control Lens of Clarity and cast Brainstorm, can I look at the fourth card of my library?

I'm fairly sure you can. I know that with Courser + Brainstorm you show them all (unless I'm mistaken, it was a question in a recent practice exam, but it's too late to remember), so this might be a similar question, although the 'you may' does make it a little harder to be sure on that.

EDIT: Lens of Clarity isn't an activated ability, it's just "Yeah you can do that", similar to how you can always look at your own face-down cards or graveyard, sideboard etc.

Serperoth fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Sep 1, 2014

Chorocojo
Sep 25, 2005

Legendary Enchantment Creature -- Bird God
The only planeswalkers we've seen Sorin interact with are Nissa, Dack and Tibalt. AKA Fucks.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
Maro says that Sorin and Sarkhan are the only Planeswalkers in the set. RTR only had Jace and Vraska, but Theros had three so I had kind of assumed there was three in Khans. I guess Garruk being the sixth in M15 kind of ruled that out, though.

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.

Gensuki posted:

He hasn't run into any of the stupid ones except Nissa, and she was possibly the first idiot planeswalker he met.

I'm fairly sure he found Dunce Foolio in one of the comics that not even I'm a big enough flavour fanatic to read. And Sorin was unamused by THE GREATEST THIEF IN THE MULTIVERSE. And Tibalt from the Duel Decks too.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Since I'm already asking dumb things about dumb things: why did Elspeth leave her desperate Mirrodin buddies?

Niton
Oct 21, 2010

Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

Rinkles posted:

Since I'm already asking dumb things about dumb things: why did Elspeth leave her desperate Mirrodin buddies?

She got stabbed halfway to death. She then proceeded to planeswalk to Theros, where she got stabbed all the way to death (by another white character, even!). Elspeth's story is basically misery porn for whatever writer's in charge of her.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Rinkles posted:

Since I'm already asking dumb things about dumb things: why did Elspeth leave her desperate Mirrodin buddies?

The Mirrodin dudes performed a last-effort shot at killing the Praetors with a Spellbomb, it failed like gently caress, Koth basically forced her to planeswalk away in order to not die. Everyone has given up on Mirrodin because to travel there is to endanger the whole multiverse now.

Here's a letter Elspeth wrote to Ajani on the subject

Sleep of Bronze posted:

I'm fairly sure he found Dunce Foolio in one of the comics that not even I'm a big enough flavour fanatic to read. And Sorin was unamused by THE GREATEST THIEF IN THE MULTIVERSE. And Tibalt from the Duel Decks too.

The Theros Doik Faggio comics are apparently actually good.

Zorak fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 1, 2014

Frozen_flame
Feb 14, 2012

Press A to Protect Earth!
Fully expecting Bill and Ted edits for Sorin and Sarkhan when the second set comes out.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Zorak posted:

Everyone has given up on Mirrodin because to travel there is to endanger the whole multiverse now.

Until the Eldrazi invade atop Dominarian dragons or something, in the ultimate throwback block. :getin:

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Zorak posted:

The Mirrodin dudes performed a last-effort shot at killing the Praetors with a Spellbomb, it failed like gently caress, Koth basically forced her to planeswalk away in order to not die. Everyone has given up on Mirrodin because to travel there is to endanger the whole multiverse now.

Here's a letter Elspeth wrote to Ajani on the subject

So, is Koth dead? And did the Phyrexians get their hands on the schematics for the ships that can cross planes?

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

So, is Koth dead? And did the Phyrexians get their hands on the schematics for the ships that can cross planes?

Koth is somehow still not dead, he's basically waging a one-man-war against the entire plane. When he shows up again he's going to even more of a badass than before.

The Phyrexians haven't figured out how to travel between planes yet. They think there might be other planes, but they haven't figured that it's a thing yet.

Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011


Yet. Elesh taking white-dominated phryexia to other planes is going to be terrifying.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

So, is Koth dead? And did the Phyrexians get their hands on the schematics for the ships that can cross planes?

Koth is alive. They had a Planeswalker update thing a while back that revealed he didn't die.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.



Chorocojo posted:

The only planeswalkers we've seen Sorin interact with are Nissa, Dack and Tibalt. AKA Fucks.

I think he's had some interactions with Jace.

jacexsorin.gif

:v:

Applebees
Jul 23, 2013

yospos
Modern Tron decks could possibly play Ugin's Nexus. They could use Phyrexia's Core to sacrifice it.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Zorak posted:

Koth is somehow still not dead, he's basically waging a one-man-war against the entire plane. When he shows up again he's going to even more of a badass than before.

The Phyrexians haven't figured out how to travel between planes yet. They think there might be other planes, but they haven't figured that it's a thing yet.

Watch them capture and compleat Emrackles when he decides to bumble onto New Phyrexia to eat some robots.

And then put a big Phyrexian oil rig on top of his stupid tentacle head rid atop by Elesh Norn, right into Ravnica.

Oh also Venser is reanimated as a planeswalking zombie. :getin:

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Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.
Ah, gently caress it, this is annoying me too much now. Anyone remember the name or URL of that old blog which went down about a year ago, and did a load of reviews of the MTG books, collected the flavour articles and all that? Just wanna see if I can dig the TSP reviews out of archive.org and be sure Bolas mentioned Ugin.

(Pace Chorocojo, but not yours - it had a larger scope.)

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