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Entropic posted:If we don't get some big-rear end mythic dragons somewhere in the Dragon-clans-from-the-Dragon-plane that's home-of-that-guy-who-loves-Dragons block, I will be incredibly surprised. Sarkhan tries to bring back the dragons, but accidentally brings back homarids instead.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Sarkhan tries to bring back the dragons, but accidentally brings back homarids instead. I would unironically love to see Homarids brought back, and not suck.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:28
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Madmarker posted:I would unironically love to see Homarids brought back, and not suck. Pick one
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Sep 2, 2014 18:29
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Were people actually believing that Vindicate is a Standard (or even Modern) reprintable card? Because Vindicate is busted.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:30
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We're never getting Stone Rain in Standard again, never mind Vindicate. If anyone was actually expecting a Vindicate reprint in Standard they're delusional.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:35
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Entropic posted:If anyone was actually expecting a Vindicate reprint in Standard they're delusional. 
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Sep 2, 2014 18:40
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Entropic posted:We're never getting Stone Rain in Standard again, never mind Vindicate. If anyone was actually expecting a Vindicate reprint in Standard they're delusional. Expecting, no. However, it would have been nice to have a 3 mana Vinidcate-light that destroyed target nonland permanent.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:41
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Entropic posted:We're never getting Stone Rain in Standard again, never mind Vindicate. If anyone was actually expecting a Vindicate reprint in Standard they're delusional. I think Vindicate with a nonland clause would be reprintable in Standard, though it would be pushing the upper limits of what they're willing to do. The real issue is 3CMC land destruction which we will never, ever, ever get back (together) in Standard.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:42
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I don't expect a Vindicate reprint, but I do demand one.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:42
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More powerful creatures as a baseline and a lack of a 4 mana board sweep would make you think there might be more powerful one for one removal... I just don't like premium removal at rare. Paying 10 bucks for a heroes downfall was annoying.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:45
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Entropic posted:We're never getting Stone Rain in Standard again, never mind Vindicate. If anyone was actually expecting a Vindicate reprint in Standard they're delusional. Stone Rain is actually Modern legal but nobody plays it simply because a card that narrow isn't usually worth playing. The real reason its not coming back is probably because gently caress that card in limited.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:45
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Angry Grimace posted:Stone Rain is actually Modern legal but nobody plays it simply because a card that narrow isn't usually worth playing. The real reason its not coming back is probably because gently caress that card in limited. e: never mind
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Sep 2, 2014 18:48
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Angry Grimace posted:Stone Rain is actually Modern legal but nobody plays it simply because a card that narrow isn't usually worth playing. The real reason its not coming back is probably because gently caress that card in limited. Stone rain actually sees a fair bit of play in modern, mostly as a sideboard card against tron as sowing salts can be too slow some times. You do have the maniacs who play every LD spell you can but those decks are bad.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:49
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We had Maelstrom Pulse in Alara so 1WB Destroy Target non-land permanent is definitely a thing they could do.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:49
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mcmagic posted:More powerful creatures as a baseline and a lack of a 4 mana board sweep would make you think there might be more powerful one for one removal... I just don't like premium removal at rare. Paying 10 bucks for a heroes downfall was annoying. None of the creatures so far have been all that powerful, honestly. Right now I would say the 3/3 for 4 with the good ETB and the great trigger was the most constructed playable out of the cards we've seen.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:54
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Who the hell plays stone rain in limited? Also printing efficient LD in a multicolor set would be completely counterproductive and stupid.
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Sep 2, 2014 18:54
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Angry Grimace posted:Stone Rain is actually Modern legal but nobody plays it simply because a card that narrow isn't usually worth playing. The real reason its not coming back is probably because gently caress that card in limited. stone rain, much like just about all LD that trades a spell for a land with no other bonuses, is awful in limited
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Sep 2, 2014 18:59
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One of the best creatures in Standard right now and especially post-rotation is a 1CC with no ETB trigger at all. I think R&D is doing a good job of jogging us away from "ETB trigger or bust".
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Sep 2, 2014 19:01
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TheKingofSprings posted:None of the creatures so far have been all that powerful, honestly. Right now I would say the 3/3 for 4 with the good ETB and the great trigger was the most constructed playable out of the cards we've seen. Mardu Skullhunter is way more constructed playable than that. A Ravenous Rats piker is really, really sweet. Other cards that will absolutely see play in Standard at least, and possibly beyond: Sultai Charm, Icefeather Aven, Abzan Ascendancy (maybe), Rattleclaw Mystic, Crackling Doom, Heir of the Wilds, new Sarkhan, Utter End. Crackling Doom is absolutely good enough for Modern. Heir of the Wilds is a deathtouch bear that is a 3/3 for 2 later in the game and still trades with anything. Rattleclaw Mystic enables incredibly explosive turn 3 plays; turn 1 dork, turn 2 facedown Mystic, turn 3 flip Mystic and play a 6-drop in Temur colors is a very real threat. The Charm is card-filtering and removal. I'm not 100% on Abzan Ascendancy but the effect is powerful enough that I can see people trying to make it work.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:04
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LordSaturn posted:One of the best creatures in Standard right now and especially post-rotation is a 1CC with no ETB trigger at all. I think R&D is doing a good job of jogging us away from "ETB trigger or bust". There are almost no 1 CC creatures with good ETB abilities, they almost all tap (Mom, Deathrite, BoP) or swing, so I wouldn't call that much of an argument in favour of your point.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:05
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LordSaturn posted:One of the best creatures in Standard right now and especially post-rotation is a 1CC with no ETB trigger at all. I think R&D is doing a good job of jogging us away from "ETB trigger or bust". Soldier of the Pantheon?
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Sep 2, 2014 19:06
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Think he meant 1GG, with c for color instead of converted mana cost.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:06
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Elyv posted:stone rain, much like just about all LD that trades a spell for a land with no other bonuses, is awful in limited
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Sep 2, 2014 19:07
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Abzan supremacy is one of the better anthem effects they've printed, since it is both a solid buff and wrath insurance. Paired with cards like Ainok Bond-kin, it promises some pretty big buffs for creatures with counters on them.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:07
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Algid posted:Think he meant 1GG, with c for color instead of converted mana cost. Yes, I was alluding to Courser. She even dies to Doom Blade, though admittedly not to Lightning Bolt.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:07
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LordSaturn posted:One of the best creatures in Standard right now and especially post-rotation is a 1CC with no ETB trigger at all. I think R&D is doing a good job of jogging us away from "ETB trigger or bust". Courser? Can you respond to a creature's ETB if it has no ETB effect? I.e. can you use removal to kill the courser before it reveals the top card and the player can play it? Because otherwise I would call playing the top card of your library if it's a land as an ability. Unless you're talking about Brimaz
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Sep 2, 2014 19:08
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Devor posted:Courser? Can you respond to a creature's ETB if it has no ETB effect? I.e. can you use removal to kill the courser before it reveals the top card and the player can play it? Because otherwise I would call playing the top card of your library if it's a land as an ability. There is no opportunity to respond, if they play it t4 they can drop a land right after.
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Devor posted:Courser? Can you respond to a creature's ETB if it has no ETB effect? I.e. can you use removal to kill the courser before it reveals the top card and the player can play it? Because otherwise I would call playing the top card of your library if it's a land as an ability. If someone plays Courser, their top card is revealed as soon as it enters the battlefield, at which point they are free to play the top card if it's a land and they haven't played one yet. The opponent can't do anything to stop it. However, if the Courser player passes priority to the opponent, they can then kill the Courser and prevent them from playing the land. So basically, you can't prevent the land drop if the Courser player knows what they're doing and you sometimes can if they don't. Starving Autist fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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Sep 2, 2014 19:11
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:If someone plays Courser, their top card is revealed as soon as it enters the battlefield, at which point they are free to play the top card if it's a land and they haven't played one yet. The opponent can't do anything to stop it. However, if the Courser player hesitates and passes priority to the opponent, they can then kill the Courser and prevent them from playing the land. So basically, you can't prevent the land drop if the Courser player knows what they're doing and you sometimes can if they don't. Simply hesitating doesn't pass priority. If you are the active player and it is your main phase, you have priority until you either 1) cast a spell or activate an ability or 2) attempt to change phases. If I cast a Courser and then look at my cards for a while saying "Hmmmmm" while thinking about what to do it does not constitute a pass of priority and my opponent doesn't get to Blade my Courser, even if he speaks really fast. And technically you still have priority in scenario 1 above, it's just generally shortcutted that unless the active player actively demonstrates that they are attempting to retain priority then it will pass to the non-active player.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:14
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Simply hesitating doesn't pass priority. If you are the active player and it is your main phase, you have priority until you either 1) cast a spell or activate and ability or 2) attempt to change phases. If I cast a Courser and then look at my cards for a while saying "Hmmmmm" while thinking about what to do it does not constitute a pass of priority and my opponent doesn't get to Blade my Courser, even if he speaks really fast. I didn't mean it that way, jeez. I meant if they do not immediately play the land and pass priority.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:15
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:I didn't mean it that way, jeez. I meant if they do not immediately play the land and pass priority. Fair enough, but a lot of people DO understand priority that way and I think it's important to disabuse them of the notion. It's the MTG equivalent of "you took your hand off it!"
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Fair enough, but a lot of people DO understand priority that way and I think it's important to disabuse them of the notion. It's the MTG equivalent of "you took your hand off it!" Yeah, fair enough. I play online mostly, so I forget that these things are even issues sometimes.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:17
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:If someone plays Courser, their top card is revealed as soon as it enters the battlefield, at which point they are free to play the top card if it's a land and they haven't played one yet. The opponent can't do anything to stop it. However, if the Courser player hesitates and passes priority to the opponent, they can then kill the Courser and prevent them from playing the land. So basically, you can't prevent the land drop if the Courser player knows what they're doing and you sometimes can if they don't. If either player has something else that can generate ETB triggers you can do it once they're stacked. For example, purphuros or any evolve/tribute dude.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:19
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The worst is when people take "resolves?" to mean I pass priority. Well wait, it is, but you know what I mean. The stack is not over.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:20
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:If either player has something else that can generate ETB triggers you can do it once they're stacked. For example, purphuros or any evolve/tribute dude.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:21
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sarmhan posted:This just made me realize that courser and fetchlands are going to coexist. That'll be fun. I'm just happy I'll get to watch people gently caress up their scry's with fetches.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:22
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I had a guy try to doom blade my Young Pyromancer immediately after it entered the battlefield, and when I mentioned that I still get to cast Molten Birth, he said it was too late because it was sorcery speed.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:22
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End of Life Guy posted:I had a guy try to doom blade my Young Pyromancer immediately after it entered the battlefield, and when I mentioned that I still get to cast Molten Birth, he said it was too late because it was sorcery speed.
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Sep 2, 2014 19:24
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Madmarker posted:I'm just happy I'll get to watch people gently caress up their scry's with fetches. Cedric: "Thankfully he had a fetchland in play, so he was able to turn that into a perfect
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sarmhan posted:Yea that guy is wrong and doesn't understand how priority works/was trying to gently caress you over. He was just mistaken is all. No ill will. He even said "In response" as if he could kill it on the stack.
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