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So the DLC's out already. Seriously wasn't expecting that.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 12:07 |
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# ? Jun 10, 2024 03:40 |
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Patch along with it - code:
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 12:11 |
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Pretty good M8 buff, two bomb Nighthawk? Not sure how much impact the tank time to hit infantry will have, if I'm playing on US servers I have a 300ms ping anyway.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 12:17 |
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So the Marder 2 only has 10 front AV. Seems kinda half-assed to nerf its armor in an attempt to balance it. The entire point of the Marder 2 was to have MBT-levels of protection. Its autocannon has 6 AP though, so it'll absolutely murder any kind of IFV it goes up against. It's also only 30 points, 5 more than for example the Strf 9040 which it surpasses in every way. The Warrior '90 looks pretty good on paper now. 20 points for a decent autocannon and 6 AV. Dezztroy fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Sep 2, 2014 |
# ? Sep 2, 2014 13:36 |
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Pretty good M8 buff, two bomb Nighthawk? Not sure how much impact the tank time to hit infantry will have, if I'm playing on US servers I have a 300ms ping anyway.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 13:46 |
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Tulip posted:Two bomb nighthawk is mostly a nerf since it won't auto evac, though individual players can get around that through micro. The tank aim time should influence you as much as anybody else, since you should be attack moving everywhere anyway. The two bomb nighthawk drops both bombs at once and evacs as per usual. Its a buff.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 13:54 |
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The 15HP 15HR NorK bomber is pretty awesome too. Couldn't try any of the blufor stuff because all the pubbie servers were full of US players wanting to try out patriots
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 13:58 |
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Surprise, the Patriot is overpowered! At the minimum they need to make the firing interval as long as other AA, right now it just spits out missiles.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 14:38 |
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TsarZiedonis posted:The two bomb nighthawk drops both bombs at once and evacs as per usual. Its a buff. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.avi Between this and the LGB damage boost a few games back, Nighthawks are loving hilariously fun again.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 15:06 |
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Wait, did the Scandinavians get anything? Looking at them and I don't see any new unit.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 15:49 |
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So, they made mechanized, armored, and motorized more interesting by removing a whole poo poo ton of options for all three deck types? No more Bkans for Scandinavian mechanized, no more PGZ-95 or Pongae 2 or HQ-61 for Red Dragon mechanized? The gently caress were they thinking?
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 15:52 |
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Li Jian 90' might be broken, they used to be beatable but now they appear to indefinitely stunlock every type of infantry I throw at them.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 15:53 |
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Oh, I get it now. No new units for the NSWP and Scandinavian nations.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 15:54 |
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The Marder II is a better deal right now the 55p BMPT was in the ALB beta. It's happened, they've finally lost their minds.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 16:00 |
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Eugen decided, you know what West Germany needs? More incentive to spam pgrens. Well, thank you kindly.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 16:04 |
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Surprised they didn't make pgren 90s 25 points. On the other hand, my SK marine deck is revived with two cards of amazing Haebyung 90, and Chinese marines are now ridiculous considering you get three(?) cards of Lui Zhandui 90. Anybody try out the helicopter changes yet? EDIT: Looks like the broke specializations again to some point? Armored doesn't get Challenger Marksmen, and Chinese armored only gets access to lovely SPAAGs like the PGZ80 and PGZ88 for vehicle AA? :eugen: RoyalScion fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 2, 2014 |
# ? Sep 2, 2014 16:05 |
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Someone took screens of the new units here https://imgur.com/a/Eltvu That marder2 at that price is amazing(ly broken) hahahhaha Patriot range is also ridiculous. Those are the two main outliers. But really, who needs marder2's when you can get that dumb anzac transport Does anyone know if the kyu-roku wapc is a standalone vehicle or transport? If the latter, what inf can it bring?
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 16:26 |
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You can bring line infantry, their shock infantry with RRs, and their 5 man RR infantry in them.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 16:41 |
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I love how the M113 Milan costs the same as the Warrior Milan (which is using the F2 version).
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 17:00 |
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Llyranor posted:Someone took screens of the new units here Hodou-ren and line inf come in the Kyu-Roku. It's a great addition to the Japanese/BD decks; brings decent wheeled firepower for a reasonable price and allows you to have Japanese shock troops in a non-bad wheeled transport.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 17:23 |
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Did the Tunguska's missile get a range nerf as well? There seems to be a lot in this patch that changed but was not documented.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 17:46 |
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Those all look like fun changes that kind of break a lot of their existing design rules, but which are definitely broken in ways that are going to need to be seriously re-balanced. I'd argue the Patriot, while something I might not have pushed for personally, would be fine if it cost around 150pts instead.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 17:57 |
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Minenfeld! posted:Did the Tunguska's missile get a range nerf as well? There seems to be a lot in this patch that changed but was not documented. No, the base Tunguska missile was always 2975/2450.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 17:57 |
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Hubis posted:Those all look like fun changes that kind of break a lot of their existing design rules, but which are definitely broken in ways that are going to need to be seriously re-balanced. I'd argue the Patriot, while something I might not have pushed for personally, would be fine if it cost around 150pts instead. Marder 2 should be 45 or 50 to boot, I think. Armor and firing range reductions perhaps as well.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 18:32 |
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Dandywalken posted:Marder 2 should be 45 or 50 to boot, I think. Armor and firing range reductions perhaps as well. Yeah. What's its availability reduction? I also think reduced availability (like 4-6 per slot?) would be interesting. You can bring a lot of Marders 2's, or you can bring a ton of PzGren'90s in your WGer Mech deck, but you can't bring both (not that they really have problems fielding a ton of stuff regardless -- PzGren are no slouches).
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 18:44 |
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Hubis posted:Yeah. What's its availability reduction? I also think reduced availability (like 4-6 per slot?) would be interesting. You can bring a lot of Marders 2's, or you can bring a ton of PzGren'90s in your WGer Mech deck, but you can't bring both (not that they really have problems fielding a ton of stuff regardless -- PzGren are no slouches). It's 10/7 with normal PGrens so I just use them to carry normal PGrens while I let my PGren '90s max out their availability.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 18:51 |
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 18:59 |
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There's no difference between the regular and '90 PGrens when it comes to the Marder 2, both get 10/7.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 19:18 |
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I want coop campaign. Gimme.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 19:29 |
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*Nevermind.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 19:37 |
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Dezztroy posted:There's no difference between the regular and '90 PGrens when it comes to the Marder 2, both get 10/7. Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 19:57 |
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OctaMurk posted:Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop Nice catch.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 20:00 |
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Why on earth would they let you take regular PzGren in Marder 2s?Panzeh posted:Nice catch. Yeah that's been something you could do with the 1A3's too. :eugen: Hubis fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 2, 2014 |
# ? Sep 2, 2014 20:27 |
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Oh surprise the Marder 2 is completely broken. Totally out of the blue that. That unit getting through is reason enough to completely ax all the german marshals.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 20:28 |
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FLX doesn't think the Marder 2 is overpowered because you only get 10 of them.OctaMurk posted:Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop :eugen:
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 20:33 |
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FLX also thinks that it's ok that the BTR-80 costing 20 points for East Germany but 15 points for the USSR is ok "because of the kind of infantry it carries" being taken into account. So he's not the brightest. Also, wouldn't that just be a reason to make the INFANTRY cost more? You're not buying the infantry to get the BTR-80. ...but then how do you account for PGren and Marder pricing? Or the Polish base T-72 costing 5 points more than the Soviet one?
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 21:32 |
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Anyone tried the new campaign yet? How's the difficulty? Heard it was supposed the be pretty punishing.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 21:56 |
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OctaMurk posted:Made a post about improvements to community dialogue and it was immediately moved to off-topic where nobody will see it even though it is solely about the patch/DLC leaks for Red Dragon, on the basis that the topic was not enough about Red Dragon. There is no hope. MMM. Maybe there is still something wrong? Hob_Gadling fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 2, 2014 |
# ? Sep 2, 2014 22:31 |
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I wonder if this clusterfuck of a buggy release (I'm assuming all the removed units from specialized decks is a bug) was done intentionally as a knee-jerk reaction to the screenshot leaks. Something of a "see what happens when you know things out of context and before they're done" kind of thing. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me given how touchy and thin-skinned Eugen is.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 22:40 |
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What? Patches regularly remove units from decks if said units have been tweaked substantially, this isn't a new thing or some kind of spite move.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 22:42 |