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sgnl05
Jan 16, 2007
Lurker
So the DLC's out already. Seriously wasn't expecting that.

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Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
Patch along with it -

code:
DECKS :
More Units are available to motorized mechanized and armored decks to make them more interesting to use.
All the British Harriers are now available in marine deck

MAPS :
Units starting direction fixed on the map Floods. One side used to have it's units starting with their back toward the enemy
Some map texturs fixed.

GENERIC :
Tank aiming time vs infantry increased from 1sec to 1.4sec to ensure that infantry gets the first shot in forest.
REDFOR KPVT range vs ground increased from 1225m to 1400m

LOG :
British CMD Chieftain speed increased to 45kmh to match its counterpart in the tank category.

RECON :
Soviet Spetsnaz VMF's Dragunov changed for a suppressed VSS Vintorez. (suppressed sniper rifle) 
Soviet Spetsnaz VMF's service date changed from 1975 to 1987.

INFANTRY :
S-Korean Haebyung '90 availability increased from 1 to 2
Chinese Lu Zhandui '90 PF-89 rocket launcher RoF increased to 20RpM match other disposable launchers

TANKS :
BLUFOR Leopard 1 series rate of fire increased from 8RpM to 10RpM 
BLUFOR Scorpion Light Tank price reduced from 25$ to 20$ 
French AMX-30/32/40 series rate of fire increased from 8RpM to 9RpM 
French AMX-40 main gun AP power increased from 18 to 19 
American M60 series rate of fire increased from 8RpM to 10RpM 
American M60A1 USMC price increased from 30$ to 35$ 
American M60A2E2 Starship price reduced from 45$ to 40$ 
American Starship & Sheridan RoF increased from 7RpM to 8RpM 
American M1 Abrams price reduced from 70$ to 65$ 
American M1 & M1IP Abrams rate of fire reduced from 10RpM to 9RpM 
American M8 AGS accuracy increased from 45% to 65% and stabiliser increased from 40% to 60% 
British FV101 Scorpion price reduced from 30$ to 25$ 
British Chieftain Mk.2 can now fire on the move with an accuracy of 15% 
British Chieftain series rate of fire increased from 6RpM to 7RpM 
S-Korean K1 rate of fire reduced from 10RpM to 9RpM 
Japanese Nana Yon-Shiki A price increased from 30$to 35$ 
Swedish Strv 103C price reduced from 85$ to 80$

REDFOR T-72S availability reduced from 6 to 4 
REDFOR T-72 price increased from 40$ to 45$ 
Czech. T-55 Dyna autonomy increased to 700km to match other T-55 
N-Korean Ch'onma-ho price increased from 25$ to 30$ 
N-Korean Type 59-I price increased from 35$ to 40$ 
Chinese ZTS-63-II price reduced from 45$ to 40$ 
Soviet & Czech T-62 obr75 and T-62cz price reduced from 40$ to 35$ 
Soviet T-72A price reduced from 60$ to 55$ 
Soviet T-62MV-1 price reduced from 70$ to 65$ 
Soviet T-80B price reduced from 85$ to 80$ 
Soviet T-80BV price increased from 115$ to 120$

SUPPORT :
British Chieftain Marksman speed increased to 45kmh to match its counterparts in the tank category.

Czech. Ondava aim time reduced from 30sec to 10sec to represent it's modern FCS 
Czech. Ondava availability per card reduced from 3 to 2 
Chinese YW-304 & YW-381 size fixed from small to medium

VEHICLES :
Norwegian XA-180 fuel capacity increased from 80 to 145, autonomy from 400 to 800 and speed from 70 to 100 
American M163CS aim time increased from 1sec to 1.4sec 
Norwegian NM113 availability per pack increased to not restrict LHV availability 
British FV510 Warrior '90 frontal armor increased from 4.4.2.1 to 6.5.2.2 to better represent the amount of additional armor (Chobham).

Soviet Ural ZU-23-2 cannot fire on the move anymore like the polish version 
Soviet BTR-80 price reduced from 20$ to 15$ 
Soviet Afganski ammunition loadout reduced from 4000 to 2000 and aim time increased from 1sec to 1.4sec

HELICOPTERS :
Helicopters cannot fly upside down anymore (happened when passing a mountain edge at full speed) 
Helicopters reactivity when shooting their ATGM increased 
Helicopters able to fire on the move have a wider firing arc , they can shoot even if the target is not perfectly in front of them.
Czech. Mi-24 S-24 price increased from 60$ to 65$

PLANES :
American Nighthawk now carry 2 Paveway III bombs instead of 1.

N-Korean Su-25 loadout changed from 8x Fab-500 to 4x Kh-23M and price reduced from 140$ to 110$

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
Pretty good M8 buff, two bomb Nighthawk? Not sure how much impact the tank time to hit infantry will have, if I'm playing on US servers I have a 300ms ping anyway.

Dezztroy
Dec 28, 2012
So the Marder 2 only has 10 front AV. Seems kinda half-assed to nerf its armor in an attempt to balance it. The entire point of the Marder 2 was to have MBT-levels of protection.

Its autocannon has 6 AP though, so it'll absolutely murder any kind of IFV it goes up against. It's also only 30 points, 5 more than for example the Strf 9040 which it surpasses in every way.

The Warrior '90 looks pretty good on paper now. 20 points for a decent autocannon and 6 AV.

Dezztroy fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Sep 2, 2014

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

Pretty good M8 buff, two bomb Nighthawk? Not sure how much impact the tank time to hit infantry will have, if I'm playing on US servers I have a 300ms ping anyway.
Two bomb nighthawk is mostly a nerf since it won't auto evac, though individual players can get around that through micro. The tank aim time should influence you as much as anybody else, since you should be attack moving everywhere anyway.

Heer98
Apr 10, 2009

Tulip posted:

Two bomb nighthawk is mostly a nerf since it won't auto evac, though individual players can get around that through micro. The tank aim time should influence you as much as anybody else, since you should be attack moving everywhere anyway.

The two bomb nighthawk drops both bombs at once and evacs as per usual. Its a buff.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
The 15HP 15HR NorK bomber is pretty awesome too. Couldn't try any of the blufor stuff because all the pubbie servers were full of US players wanting to try out patriots

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
Surprise, the Patriot is overpowered! At the minimum they need to make the firing interval as long as other AA, right now it just spits out missiles.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

TsarZiedonis posted:

The two bomb nighthawk drops both bombs at once and evacs as per usual. Its a buff.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.avi

Between this and the LGB damage boost a few games back, Nighthawks are loving hilariously fun again.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Wait, did the Scandinavians get anything? Looking at them and I don't see any new unit.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



So, they made mechanized, armored, and motorized more interesting by removing a whole poo poo ton of options for all three deck types? No more Bkans for Scandinavian mechanized, no more PGZ-95 or Pongae 2 or HQ-61 for Red Dragon mechanized? The gently caress were they thinking?

InstantInfidel
Jan 9, 2010

BEST :10bux: I EVER SPENT
Li Jian 90' might be broken, they used to be beatable but now they appear to indefinitely stunlock every type of infantry I throw at them.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Oh, I get it now. No new units for the NSWP and Scandinavian nations. :downs:

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
The Marder II is a better deal right now the 55p BMPT was in the ALB beta.

It's happened, they've finally lost their minds.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Eugen decided, you know what West Germany needs? More incentive to spam pgrens. Well, thank you kindly.

RoyalScion
May 16, 2009
Surprised they didn't make pgren 90s 25 points. On the other hand, my SK marine deck is revived with two cards of amazing Haebyung 90, and Chinese marines are now ridiculous considering you get three(?) cards of Lui Zhandui 90.

Anybody try out the helicopter changes yet?

EDIT:

Looks like the broke specializations again to some point? Armored doesn't get Challenger Marksmen, and Chinese armored only gets access to lovely SPAAGs like the PGZ80 and PGZ88 for vehicle AA? :eugen:

RoyalScion fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 2, 2014

Llyranor
Jun 24, 2013
Someone took screens of the new units here
https://imgur.com/a/Eltvu

That marder2 at that price is amazing(ly broken) hahahhaha

Patriot range is also ridiculous.

Those are the two main outliers. But really, who needs marder2's when you can get that dumb anzac transport

Does anyone know if the kyu-roku wapc is a standalone vehicle or transport? If the latter, what inf can it bring?

RoyalScion
May 16, 2009
You can bring line infantry, their shock infantry with RRs, and their 5 man RR infantry in them.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

I love how the M113 Milan costs the same as the Warrior Milan (which is using the F2 version).

:laffo:

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Llyranor posted:

Someone took screens of the new units here
https://imgur.com/a/Eltvu

That marder2 at that price is amazing(ly broken) hahahhaha

Patriot range is also ridiculous.

Those are the two main outliers. But really, who needs marder2's when you can get that dumb anzac transport

Does anyone know if the kyu-roku wapc is a standalone vehicle or transport? If the latter, what inf can it bring?

Hodou-ren and line inf come in the Kyu-Roku. It's a great addition to the Japanese/BD decks; brings decent wheeled firepower for a reasonable price and allows you to have Japanese shock troops in a non-bad wheeled transport.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Did the Tunguska's missile get a range nerf as well? There seems to be a lot in this patch that changed but was not documented.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...
Those all look like fun changes that kind of break a lot of their existing design rules, but which are definitely broken in ways that are going to need to be seriously re-balanced. I'd argue the Patriot, while something I might not have pushed for personally, would be fine if it cost around 150pts instead.

RoyalScion
May 16, 2009

Minenfeld! posted:

Did the Tunguska's missile get a range nerf as well? There seems to be a lot in this patch that changed but was not documented.

No, the base Tunguska missile was always 2975/2450.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Hubis posted:

Those all look like fun changes that kind of break a lot of their existing design rules, but which are definitely broken in ways that are going to need to be seriously re-balanced. I'd argue the Patriot, while something I might not have pushed for personally, would be fine if it cost around 150pts instead.

Marder 2 should be 45 or 50 to boot, I think. Armor and firing range reductions perhaps as well.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

Dandywalken posted:

Marder 2 should be 45 or 50 to boot, I think. Armor and firing range reductions perhaps as well.

Yeah. What's its availability reduction? I also think reduced availability (like 4-6 per slot?) would be interesting. You can bring a lot of Marders 2's, or you can bring a ton of PzGren'90s in your WGer Mech deck, but you can't bring both (not that they really have problems fielding a ton of stuff regardless -- PzGren are no slouches).

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Hubis posted:

Yeah. What's its availability reduction? I also think reduced availability (like 4-6 per slot?) would be interesting. You can bring a lot of Marders 2's, or you can bring a ton of PzGren'90s in your WGer Mech deck, but you can't bring both (not that they really have problems fielding a ton of stuff regardless -- PzGren are no slouches).

It's 10/7 with normal PGrens so I just use them to carry normal PGrens while I let my PGren '90s max out their availability.

Cyborgmatt
Aug 9, 2009

Honk.
The franchise is 50% off until 5th September: http://store.steampowered.com/app/251060/

Dezztroy
Dec 28, 2012
There's no difference between the regular and '90 PGrens when it comes to the Marder 2, both get 10/7.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I want coop campaign. Gimme.

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene
*Nevermind.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Dezztroy posted:

There's no difference between the regular and '90 PGrens when it comes to the Marder 2, both get 10/7.

Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

OctaMurk posted:

Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop

Nice catch.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...
Why on earth would they let you take regular PzGren in Marder 2s?

Panzeh posted:

Nice catch.

Yeah that's been something you could do with the 1A3's too. :eugen:

Hubis fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 2, 2014

DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."
Oh surprise the Marder 2 is completely broken. Totally out of the blue that.
That unit getting through is reason enough to completely ax all the german marshals.

Dezztroy
Dec 28, 2012
FLX doesn't think the Marder 2 is overpowered because you only get 10 of them.

OctaMurk posted:

Or get 14 Marder 2s by taking them with Deckungsgruppe at 40 points a pop

:eugen:

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



FLX also thinks that it's ok that the BTR-80 costing 20 points for East Germany but 15 points for the USSR is ok "because of the kind of infantry it carries" being taken into account. So he's not the brightest. Also, wouldn't that just be a reason to make the INFANTRY cost more? You're not buying the infantry to get the BTR-80.

...but then how do you account for PGren and Marder pricing? Or the Polish base T-72 costing 5 points more than the Soviet one?

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Anyone tried the new campaign yet? How's the difficulty? Heard it was supposed the be pretty punishing.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

OctaMurk posted:

Made a post about improvements to community dialogue and it was immediately moved to off-topic where nobody will see it even though it is solely about the patch/DLC leaks for Red Dragon, on the basis that the topic was not enough about Red Dragon. There is no hope.

MMM.

Maybe there is still something wrong?

Hob_Gadling fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 2, 2014

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



I wonder if this clusterfuck of a buggy release (I'm assuming all the removed units from specialized decks is a bug) was done intentionally as a knee-jerk reaction to the screenshot leaks. Something of a "see what happens when you know things out of context and before they're done" kind of thing. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me given how touchy and thin-skinned Eugen is.

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John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
What? Patches regularly remove units from decks if said units have been tweaked substantially, this isn't a new thing or some kind of spite move.

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