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 EA Access, a $5/month or $30/year service is in private beta for Xbox One. It will offer a selection of older EA games as free downloads (conditional on maintaining a subscription, and EA may revoke access to claimed games despite this but it's too soon to tell for sure), 10% off all digital purchases (Titanfall excluded), and 2-hour demos of EA games available 5 days before retail release (again, Titanfall excluded)
E3-related frequently asked question: There's an interesting looking indie game that's getting released first on Playstation 4 but it should get released on Xbox One right?
Microsoft-related answer: No. Microsoft has a "parity clause" for indie games which means they will refuse to publish an indie game on their platforms unless they get a same-day release (or released first). Indie studios generally don't have the resources to prepare multiple versions of their games immediately, and generally favor releasing on the better-selling Playstation platforms first. The only exceptions to this policy are if an indie game is so successful that Microsoft begs for them to come on board (think near-Minecraft levels of success), or dodging the rule by releasing a new version of the game with new content (think a GOTY edition of an indie game).
New announcements from Microsoft's E3 presentation (presentation has predominantly been for things we already knew about)
Call of Duty: Advance Warfare (30-day DLC exclusive on Xbox platforms)
Forza Horizon 2 (Xbox platforms)
Evolve (timed exclusive DLC for Xbox)
Happy Wars (Xbox One re-release, cross-play with 360)
Assassin's Creed: Unity
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Sunset Overdrive (Xbox One exclusive)
Super Ultra Dead Rising 3 Arcade Remix Hyper Edition EX Plus Alpha -- Dead Rising 3 Capcom-themed DLC, where you play as various Capcom characters (Xbox One exclusive DLC)
Project: Spark featuring Conker (Xbox One, Windows 8 PC's)
Dance Central: Spotlight (Xbox One, download-only)
Fable: Legends (Xbox One exclusive)
Ori and the Blind Forest (Xbox One exclusive)
Halo 1-4 HD Collection (Xbox One exclusive, claiming 1080p60 on all games , Halo 2 getting similar HD remake treatment as Halo 1 on 360, collection will have 4000 Gamerscore)
Halo 5: Guardians Beta in December for Halo 1-4 HD Collection owners (Xbox One exclusive)
Inside
Rise of the Tomb Raider
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Phantom Dust (remake of original Xbox game, Xbox One exclusive)
Tom Clancy's The Division
Scalebound (Platinum Games' Xbox One exclusive)
Crackdown (Xbox One exclusive)
Featuring a Sunset Overdrive bus loaded with Sony components
Likely due to only selling 115k Bones in the U.S. during the month of April, Microsoft will begin offering a $399 Kinectless Xbox One next week, and has removed the XBL Gold requirement for IE and streaming media apps on it and the 360.
Kewpuh is going to lay down the law in this thread due to problems that surfaced in the old thread so read his post (immediately following mine). If his rules aren't followed the thread will be gassed, or worse, transferred to DDRD again. Also you'll probably be probated/banned.
This thread is for more of the negative aspects of the Xbox and Microsoft's related practices. For actual positive discussion of Microsoft/the Xbox One or constructive discussion of technical issues you're having, you will be better off in the following thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3608847
The thread for bitching about the Wii U: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3549771
There is no "bitching about the PS4" thread because Fame Lifeles still hasn't posted the thread. That being said, genuine problems with Sony or the PS4 can be discussed in the general PS4 thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3585608
What does Loss expert Tim Buckley think of the DisKinect?
Is the Xbox One the next Dreamcast?
"No," said Swery. "Xbone has no games" - Developer of Xbox One-exclusive game D4 (paraphrased)
Previous threads (thanks Wiggly Wayne DDS!):
2013-05-21 - Next Generation Xbox Reveal Discussion Thread
2013-06-10 - E3 2013 Microsoft Chat: Xbox One is shaping up as terrible anti-gamer POS
2013-06-20 - Xbox One: Out 22 Nov 2013 (kids, stop fighting)
2013-11-06 - Xbox One: the technological tumor in your living room
2013-11-19 - Xbox One: general games, device and services thread.
2013-11-19 - Microsoft Gaming: Rendering concrete is overrated, jump in the shark tank
2013-11-26 - Xbox One General Discussion: Who cares about games, let's talk about headphones!
2014-02-14 - Xbox One General Discussion: Will Titanfall bring all the boys to the yard?
2014-02-27 - Xbox One Games Discussion Thread
I don't have a list of all the GBS ones.
Favorites from the web
- http://www.somethingawful.com/news/xbox-one-underpowered/
- When White Supremacist forum Stormfront asked itself whether to get the all-American Xbox One or stoop to the Japanese made PS4, one of them had this to say:
News:
- March NPD numbers have released. While Titanfall outsold Infamous: Second Son (although that's the combined Xbox One + PC figure for Titanfall) the PS4 nonetheless outsold the Xbox One for the third consecutive month.
- Titanfall is now available for Xbox 360 (on disc only, no digital version due to performance issues), here is a comparison with the Xbox One version:
[MCV] Xbox One is closing PS4 performance gap, Oddworld dev claims
[MCV] Xbox One is NOT closing PS4 performance gap, Oddworld publisher claims
This OP contains a lot of words written by someone who cares way too much about video games. I will do my best to keep the OP as relatively factual and up-to-date as possible, so if a new firmware update fixes something I will do my best to reflect the changes.
So what is everyone's problem with the Xbox One when the Xbox 360 did so well?
There are a ton of reasons, but the shortest version is that Microsoft's actions appear to be predominantly dictated by the will of its shareholders and not of the customers or gamers, a sort of "you will eat what we provide and like it, dammit!" mentality. It is usually more expensive than the Playstation 4 (although stores are fire-saleing the Xbox One to get rid of them, with free games/gift cards which can bring the console's raw cost below the PS4's if you want what they're throwing in anyway) and is demonstrably significantly less powerful, with almost all multiplatform games performing significantly worse on the Xbox One, mostly hamstrung by 32 megabytes of ESRAM, too low for 1080p60 with modern graphics (e.g. Infamous: Second Son would theoretically need about 80 megs to have visual parity). Numerous usability features that were considered essential for the Xbox 360's effective functionality were missing, with most but not all being re-introduced in later firmware patches so far.
E3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
The E3 reveal was derided quite heavily for focusing the bulk of its time on the TV-related features of the system (which turned out to require an HDMI set-top box, work terribly in countries which broadcast in PAL, and without a TV guide outside the U.S.), as well as dubious sports features less capable than people's current setups paired with smart phones/tablets. Gaming only got briefly touched on at the end with a reveal of the next Call of Duty game, a title which ended up running significantly better on the Playstation 4, to the point where Activision is now seriously considering making the PS4 their main platform (i.e. the one with 30-day early access to DLC) going forward.
This also doesn't touch on Microsoft's original plan to force all games to register against online servers, severely limiting the ability to trade/sell games and making the console unusable if internet connectivity was lost for longer than a 24-hour period, with the only consumer-side positive being a weird system of digitally lending games to friends that was never elaborated on. Some people out there thought this meant they could share the new Call of Duty 10 ways at $6 each because this is exactly what the only company which paywalled access to Netflix would do, but Microsoft never went into specifics. The fact that the whole Edward Snowden incident went down immediately after, revealing that Microsoft was recording all Skype calls and providing email backdoors for the NSA, didn't help make a better case for an always-online box in your living room that had a camera you weren't allowed to unplug (at the time). Further digging found this video advertising...advertisements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixqwOIByMAc
Sony, meanwhile, released the following video in response to Microsoft's always-online DRM which went viral:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
Microsoft stuck to its guns in the weeks following E3, even insulting its customer base with limited ability to access the internet like soldiers in the military:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0
When it became clear they were losing the pre-order wars almost 20:1 with the PS4, they finally relented to a return to the status quo. So to be clear, if you do end up with an Xbox One, physical and digital games work essentially the same as they did on the 360. They put the family sharing plan on hold for now. You also no longer need to have the Kinect hooked up, and they've announced a Kinectless Xbox One SKU for $399.
Launch
At launch, even sites with a reputation for being positive about Microsoft had a lot of negative things to say about the system. Despite a $750,000 cheque from Microsoft to fund a documentary, Polygon's livestream was filled with groans and frustration as the voice commands and snapping repeatedly failed to do what they were trying to show off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbjes4_vL7Y
Dead Rising 3, one of the flagship exclusive launch titles, was bogged down by minute-long load times (despite being completely installed to the hard drive) and occasional poor performance (dipping as low as 10fps according to Digital Foundry) despite running at 720p, the same resolution as several games on the Xbox 360. Attempts to resolve these issues via patches only revealed new shortcomings in the Xbox One console, as the patches were 13 gigabytes (larger than every entire downloadable 360 game except GTA 5) and cancelling the download (like if you just wanted to play now and didn't want to get overage charges on a patch) would instead delete the game entirely without warning.
Many who got the console quickly got similarly frustrated with the console, whether they paid for it or not.
The court of popular opinion continues to turn against Microsoft, even game designers:
And the much-touted party system that was in the 360 has taken a massive step backwards on the Xbox One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa2ngB6s3Z8
Microsoft has announced that they have shipped 5 million Xbox One consoles to retailers, but no indication of how many consoles are still sitting on store shelves; people who've seen accurate NPD numbers claim it could be as high as 800,000 sitting unsold on store shelves and in retailer storerooms/warehouses. What units are being sold are mostly selling in the United States; it may also be doing OK in Canada and the UK, but is still significantly losing to the PS4 everywhere, famously having spent about $581 on advertising for every $500 console sold in Spain. It hasn't officially released in Asia but Microsoft has traditionally done very poorly to the point of insignificance there. A release in Asian countries and other parts of Europe, the Middle-East, and South Africa (26 more countries in all, bringing the official list of countries up to 39) is currently planned for September. The PS4 has surpassed 7 million consoles sold (as in to customers), and is currently available in 49+ countries worldwide. After a few months of supply issues, the PS4 is now outselling the Xbox One every month, even in March when Titanfall was released.
The future
Microsoft is in full damage control mode as they scramble to find ways of improving the system's performance (including lowering the amount of reserved power for the Kinect), as well as properly implementing promised features. They finally enabled Twitch streaming, which was originally supposed to be a feature exclusive to the Xbox One but was not only absent at launch, its competitor the PS4 had it at launch instead. They have also done yet another 180 by offering a Kinectless SKU and removing the Gold requirement on IE and media streaming apps.
There are currently no announced upcoming exclusive titles for the Xbox One; the current head of the Xbox Division is Phil Spencer, the 4th person to have the title in about 18 months (after Don Mattrick, Julie Larson-Green, and Stephen Elop).
While games are still coming to it, many are ending up with clearly inferior versions, with sub-1080p resolutions (including for games from traditionally Xbox-centric series like Trials Fusion) and a lack of content found on the PS4 version (such as most Ubisoft games having some extra missions for many of their games).
Although there was an initial belief the mandatory Kinect pack-in would encourage development for a proper Kinect game, this hasn't manifested itself at all; Kinect Sports Rivals arrived months late and only built on people's frustrations with the Kinect (on top of the game completely missing the point of a pick up and play sports title, with the reviewers having to waste over a half-hour just to unlock the quick play feature, finally deciding they were better off sticking with the launch pack-in Wii Sports from 8 years ago).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URdvQ2j6BpE
Even die-hard Xbox One supporters have unplugged theirs. Hell, even Microsoft's own spokesperson doesn't have his plugged in:
Many studios have de-prioritized the Xbox One, even behind the 360 and the Wii-U.
(Pictured: Company making an Xbox One-exclusive game, zero fucks)
Promised Xbox One features still missing six months after launch
- No snapping of Skype video calls while playing Xbox One games (from first press event last May)
- No external hard drive support
- No way to turn the retail Xbox One into a game development kit
- No Xbox One controller support for the PC (the PS4's DualShock 4 currently works with unofficial drivers, wired and wirelessly via bluetooth, and the touch pad can be used as a mouse)
A bulleted list including other issues:
- Numerous games struggle to maintain decent framerates, even if they are running below 1080p (and many are).
- The voice commands don't work reliably for the majority of people, and are disabled entirely in some regions. Each region only supports one specific language (with a few exceptions supporting two like Canada) and it's not possible to configure the console to override this, so if you have a German Xbox Live account you will only be able to play games in German and use the console/voice commands in German.
- Territories where television is broadcast in PAL work very poorly with the TV passthrough features, with only a weak band-aid solution offered in a recent firmware update. It isn't possible to make 50 Hz transcode cleanly to 60 Hz without specialized and expensive hardware, and the console was only designed with 60 Hz NTSC signals in mind.
- Some features, such as the OneGuide service, are currently U.S.-only. They are apparently finally expanding after about 12 years of the feature being US-only in Windows, though.
- Many games have long load times, time-consuming installs, and patches that are larger than every downloadable Xbox 360 game except GTA5...which delete the game if you cancel the patch download. This isn't hyperbole, this is a thing that actually happens: if you cancel a 13 gigabyte patch download it will delete the entire game and you will have to redownload/reinstall the entire thing. At no point are you warned this will happen.
- Numerous essential features like the ability to check the controller battery level or manage storage were only introduced in firmware updates which came months after launch. Certain usability features, such as the ability to use external storage as promised, haven't materialized yet.
- In attempting to minimize the chance of a repeat of the RROD fiasco that cost them a billion dollars last time, the console itself is large with lots of vents and empty space. Its power supply is a huge external brick which needs its own cooling fan, and the Kinect also has its own fan. There are a lot of fans in different places, which will make the engineer in you twitch with rage involuntarily.
- They named the third Xbox the Xbox One.
So what "justifiable" reasons are there for getting an Xbox One?
- You are a broken human being who must maintain their gamerscore (my cheevos
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- Your friends are broken and all got an Xbox One because that's what people like them do and peer pressure
- You want to buy digital games without downloading them but have temporary access to physical games (e.g. friends you can borrow discs from for an hour), as a disc game install can be "converted" to a digital copy without redownloading everything. You'll still need to download patches, though.
Also note that just because this thread is anti-Xbox One doesn't mean it's an endorsement for the PS4. It has its own share of issues and a lack of must-play titles, we PS4 owners are all fools for buying in so early (except Canadians who got one before the $50CAD price hike   )
Welcome to the shark tank!
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